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1 hour ago, The Lord of the Waters said:

Evidently Rickon Stark has never seen Apocalypto...

But he's apparently seen Prometheus.

And as for Sansa, I never got the sense she wanted Jon dead or didn't care about Rickon. She understood completely what they were up against with Ramsey and she was actually right: Ramsey laid out a trap and Jon fell for it. And people grieve in different ways, if Sansa had bawled her eyes out or whatnot I would have thought it was over the top, her subdued reaction to his death worked for me. And I knew Vale ex machina was going to happen, but I was so satisfied when it did...sometimes I don't mind that kind of plot device if it's done properly and imo, it was done properly in this case.

And was anyone else thinking when Jon said to bury Rickon beside our father that 'no Jon...he's not your father.'?

Just now, Ser Dong said:

Anyone see Karstark die? Did I miss it? I had trouble seeing a lot during that intense pit scene.

I was wondering that too...I'm going to watch it again to see where or if he dies.

9 minutes ago, SerJeremiahLouistark said:

The whole time I'm watching Rickon run I'm screaming zig zag!!!! Left right right left don't run in a straight line and then boom.  Dead.

He went to the Prometheus School of Running Away from Arrows. But seriously, even though Rickon didn't appear that much I was on the edge of my seat; I actually thought for a second that he would make it and Jon's reaction sold it.

POETIC JUSTICE ON THIS SHOW AT LAST!!! THAT ENDING WAS THE BEST EVAAAAHHHH!!!

Okay, now that I mostly got that out of my system. The battle was the most intense I've seen. A lot of action and hard to follow it all but damn, Jon was a beast! I knew the Vale knights would swoop in and save the day but it was still an excellent battle sequence. At least Tormund was alive and that last moment with Jon and Wun Wun. And of course, Ramsey got exactly what I hoped for which is rare for this show. And I liked Sansa in that scene, telling him he would completely disappear.

The Meereen 'battle' was good too, I wanted to see the Dothraki more but I knew it was about the dragons burning shit and Grey Worm taking out those masters was pretty cool. But damn, Theon and Yara got there quick, I was expecting them to mop up the rest of the Harpy fleet(well, maybe they did offscreen, who knows). And Viserion and Rhaegal were still in that pit the whole time? Wtf..I would have expected them to escape and fly off for awhile and come back when they realized Drogon was back.

8 hours ago, plectrum said:

OK, so I'm finally caught up with everyone.  Question for the group: does anyone else think that Jamie is coming home just in time to keep Cersei from torching KL with wildfire?  That would fulfill the valonqar prophecy, and it actually gives weight and purpose to his big "I love my sister" speech with Edmure.

He certainly foreshadowed it with his Cat and Cersei would do anything for their babies speech when mentioning burning cities to ash. Damn, they keep pushing it at us I almost don't want it to happen just for a twist, lol.

1 hour ago, NikkiG said:

every time Tyrion starts a brothel joke he doesn't get to finish it.  What torture is this...

I imagine the last scene of the series with Tyrion off somewhere, drinking wine, starting to tell the joke and it fades to black then the credits...and we'll never hear the end of the joke. Now THAT would be sheer torture!

I liked the episode overall, but I think they could have cut down the whole Missendei/Greyworm/Tyrion joke thing...but at least he was making a little progress and they laughed. And Varys is leaving, I wonder what his expidition is. And Dany at the end, felt a little deus ex machina but we'll see, at least now hopefully shit in Meereen will finally go down.

The Hound, holy shit, chopping heads off with an ax(I wonder if is was made of Valyrian steel, lol). And he prefers chicken of course. Nice to see Beric and Thoros back(although the man-bun must be becoming all the rage in the Seven Kingdoms).

'Arya Stark of winterfell and I'm going home'. I liked Jaqen's smile of approval at the end, I hope she kicks some Frey ass with Nym next season. But I wish they would have shown Waif get stuck with the pointy end but I do like how they did it though with the blood and the reveal of the Waif's face in the hall.

And I still have a miniscule shred of hope for Jaime's arc, he still respects Brienne..it was nice he let her keep the sword and the music played when they waved to each other set the tone for that scene. And the Blackfish is still alive, we didn't see the body! He'll fight another day! Jk...

Loking forward to Bastardbowl next week.

Just now, direwoofwoof said:

Looked like it. Think they'll meet up with Dany by the end of the season? Trying to recall last Theon-Tyrion meeting since they may need to help break the ice...

Tyrion gave Theon a coin to have a tumble with Ros, right after Tyrion met with Robb and gave Bran a design for a saddle. From 'Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things'. Should be an interesting conversation between Varys and Greyworm though, lol.

23 minutes ago, NikkiG said:

Guess Sansa writes to Littlefinger when she releases she can't fairy tale her way into taking back the North. 

I assumed she's writing the Cerwyns, but it could be Littlefinger.

The Hound is Back! AWOOOOOOO!!! a-erm, sorry....

Fuck...Arya. I hope she gets help Asap. The Waif needs to fucking die.

Jaime and Blackfish was right from the books, I loved the 'bored from the siege' line. Blackfish is so badass.

Ian Mcshane was good as Meribald/Elder Brother...they hanged him for the spoilers, methinks.

Jon And Sansa, I knew they would have some hard sells, Lyanna Mormont was awesome and Bear Island was beautiful.

Better than last week episode, still stoked over the Hound returning, I wonder if he's going to go midieval on some rogue Brotherhood ass.

10 hours ago, Ross2013 said:

I think LSH is fine in the books, if for no other reason the epilogue in SoS.  I agree that she doesn't really fit in the show.  Jaime and Brienne are about to find themselves on opposite sides (again) all on their own.  He couldn't beat her with two hands, so....

Well, he has Bronn which could even the odds in Jaime's favor.

4 hours ago, Arya Gendry said:

I have to assume that at this point in the series, we're only being shown things that have an impact on the way the story will end. Dorne is out of the picture (for now at least, thank goodness), and as sad as the demise of the direwolves is, would they have made a difference when the real war begins? I guess there's a small possibility that Nymeria's pack will show up somewhere, somehow, but I doubt it. I think Ghost will be pivotal, hopefully in the sense that he rips Ramsay's testicles from his body and pisses on his head before leaving him to die slowly.

Based on that, TOJ, The Mad King, and the murder and violence committed against the Starks (Bran, Ned, Red Wedding) will have an impact on the story going forward. Which leads me to believe that LSH will happen. I know, it's wishful thinking, but consider how many times we've been reminded of Cat and how she died. Then think about how many times someone at the wall mentioned Benjen. To me that was a dead giveaway that he would be back. I also think it's a little bit of fan porn for readers and a huge holy hell moment for the Unsullied. It would be great way to end the season.

Also:

Of course Margery is faking. All of this leads somehow to Tommen's death and a vacancy on the Iron Throne. My guess is a stupid move by Cersei during Jamie's absence that backfires. Speaking of which, the whole "what Lannisters do to (their) enemies" speech...what do they do? Jamie was captured, Tywin killed on the can, Cersei imprisoned, Joff and Myrcella murdered, Lancel's a kingslayer/cousin f#*ker turned holy roller, Tyrion convicted of regicide then 

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sold into slavery (although we have been graciously spared that nonsense).

The Lannisters kinda suck, they just cover it well.

Arya: I've always thought that Jaqen is Syrio, or somehow had knowledge of Arya through Syrio, and he chose to protect her and teach her. Even if not, I don't think he ever believed she would be a FM. She's too emotional. Who else is emotional? The waif. She's not supposed to be jonesing so bad to kill people. I think Jaqen just sentenced her to death. He knows that Arya belongs in Westeros and the Waif shouldn't be a FM. He gets the end result with no dirty hands.

1000 ships. Heavy sigh with eye roll. I don't know how much time is passing, and I know I should suspend disbelief, but there's no way the Ironborn can build 1000 ships overnight and get them to Mereen to carry the khalasar across the sea. (Unless Euron has Littlefinger's transporter.) But, Drogon and Gilly's baby are both huge, so who knows?

I'm really looking forward to seeing Jamie and the Blackfish interact. Part of me hopes that they'll agree on what a POS Walder Frey is and get rid of him for good (unless Sansa does it first).

 

Yeah, I eyerolled at Daario's comment as well and internally made a Daario=Euron joke. Yeah, that would be laughable to the extreme, but I'm sure they're the ships Yara and Theon made off with after the kingsmoot and Yara is perhaps taking it upon herself to help or try to kidnap Dany and her dragons(good luck with that one, girl). But if Euron makes it there right afterwards it will be the biggest case of LF teleportation this show has ever done, lol.

10 minutes ago, hallam said:

The sword will obviously be needed up at the wall. As for stealing it, Randyll pretty much admitted it belonged to Sam by right. He can hardly disown Sam as a coward and complain about him stealing his birthright.

IDK, His father made it quite clear he wasn't entitled to it; it's Sam's birthright, but his father has said he's not worthy of it and he'll be quite pissed when he discovers it stolen.

Just now, CrypticWeirwood said:

I think it's one of the powers that the resurrected gain: remember Beric did the same thing following his own resurrection.

Oh, you're right! I wonder, will Jon be able to do that too?

Not as emotionally engaging as last week's episode but still good.

Benjen Coldhands(did anyone else notice how his hands became progressively darker in that second scene). I like how they described what happened to him. And I'm curious as to how he sets the mace on fire. Did he get some sort of ability to do that when the CotF saved him?
 And Bran's flashbacks, I need to see stills too, my mouth was agape when I saw the wildfire and the Mad King yelling 'Burn them all!"

No Jon and Tyrion this week although I thought we might have seen Davos find Shireen's pyre during their travels...maybe next episode.

Sam and Gilly was better than I thought, tense at the right moments and it was touching to see that his mom and sister still love him. His father was a total dick though, but his brother didn't sound too bad, some of his expressions during the dinner when Randyll was laying into Sam looked like he was sympathetic. And stealing Heartsbane at the end was badass, his father is not going to be happy.

Jaime and Cersei...the Tyrells. The HS played them all, the cunning bastard. I can't wait to see that smug smile get wiped off his face. And I can't decide if Marg is serious about her conversion or she's also playing. Course I know one thing she playing...poor Tommen, like a fiddle. That kid's waaay over his head and now he'll probably become an enemy to his mom. And boy did Jaime look pissed after he came out of the Sept.

It was nice to see Dany on Drogon again although I couldn't help but think of that scene in Avatar when Jake comes riding in on that huge creature(name escapes me right now) and rallies the Navi. Great speech, now she needs to back up her words with action. And Daario is Euron confirmed when he told her how many ships she'd need...jk.

2 hours ago, Fez said:

It may be different in the show, but in the books the Iron Islands are so large that there are people living inland who have never seen the ocean. The biggest Island is supposed to be roughly the size of Ireland I believe. Plenty of wood for a 1000 ships.

I didn't know that, makes sense. But I bet he'll have his 1000 ships within two episodes which, even with this show's propensity for timeline compression, is laughable.

5 hours ago, RadSam said:

I haven't finished reading the thread yet (this one is going off more than the others this season), I just wanted to get this out while it's in my head.

I'm sick of seeing the Waif beat Arya. Can't wait to see her (hopefully) get it. I loved seeing the play and Arya's reaction and, not to mention, Richard E Grant!

How uncomfortable for LF! It was good finally seeing him squirm a bit and having to answer for his sh*t. It could have been harsher, sure, but I liked it. As for teleporting LF.. eh. Who cares? No one wants to watch episodes of characters travelling from A to B. 

I've never liked Jorah, so I wasn't emotional during that scene at all. Hopefully he's gone for a while now.

I'm enjoying Tyrion this season about as much as I was during ADwD. Please let it pick up soon. 

Finally! Jon is actually finally leaving! I can't wait to see the Northern houses (specifically the Mormonts and hopefully the Manderlys!). 

Theon and Yara team up! I'm not really as impressed with Euron as I thought I would be. He's almost comical. He's not a man I can take seriously.

So the CotF created the WW. I've only just recently been reading into theories about them, so I found this really interesting! That was my biggest shock moment of the episode. 

Like others have been saying, if Bran has been marked, is that how they will get past the Wall? I think Bran and Meera (and possibly Benjen? Please!) will end up at Greywater. I've been saying for a long time that I think the Wall will be falling this season. If Bran leads the NK there, it could happen.

Summer! I was so excited to see Summer, then boom! RIP. I know a lot of people are complaining about how he died, but I think it was one of the better and more meaningful deaths for the wolves. He died trying to protect Bran. The others died for nothing. 

I couldn't take the 'Hold the door' seriously. I just couldn't. I remember reading a ridiculous theory about it a long time ago, so, as sad as it was, I couldn't get into it emotionally which sucked.

Overall, one of my favourite episodes this season. 

I was like 'Wha, wha, WHAAAA.." at the Euron scene. How could anyone follow his orders after a woman and a eunuch slip from his sight after the moot and make off with the entire fleet. And that scene showed that Yara still has alot of support from the Ironborn. And I'd like to know where Euron expects people to find enough wood on the Iron Islands to build 1000 ships. I think Balon was right, he did lose his senses, lol.

It wasn't that I couldn't take 'Hold the door' seriously, it was just so mind blowing. I had to watch the episode twice to get some sense from it and still really couldn't. And this has opened the door(pun unintended) to so many possibilities with Bran's character. How many other events in the past has he inadvertently influenced or is about to influence without actually changing anything in the present. It's well...mind blowing.

As for the CotF, I was more shocked that they used First Men to make them instead of changing themselves into WW. And now the significance of the dragonglass makes sense so now I wonder if Sam will find out this information at the Citadel or are we just going to get tense Tarly family drama and that's it.

And I think the Benjen hype is going to reach an apex next episode, interesting to see how living North of the Wall for the last several years has changed him.

Just now, Nymeria Pao said:

So my husband and I have been talking about this for the past two hours.  I think when Meera tried to wake Bran and he heard her through the vision he then warged into present day Hodor and past day Hodor got warged into to too.  Does this make sense?  Then because they were linked, past day Hodor could hear Meera yelling at present day Hodor.  What makes me most upset is the thought that for the next 30 years Hodor was absolutely traumatized and he knew what was going to happen to him.  Then he had to live all those years with the Stark kids making fun of him, knowing the entire time that he would die because of them. I am also terrified to think of him showing up with blue eyes. 

Yeah, but imagine Bran's shock when he realized that he caused it; he didn't know what had happened to Hodor until the end. Had to be heartbreaking for him. And it must of been weird for everyone in real time at the time to be seeing Ned off to the Eyrie and suddenly the stableboy collapses into seizures and keeps repeating "Hold the door!"

Just now, Dracarys Snow said:

Ahhh...totally missed that. So, next episode? Flashback to what happened to Theon?

Holy hell, don't give them any ideas, lol. Warty dick was enough for me.

7 minutes ago, Raksha 2014 said:

 

But it was so obviously useless.  If the young man had been stripping to change his clothes and they showed it; that at least would have made some sense in the context of the scene.  Or if he had been having sex with one of the actresses.  But just to move the camera in while the kid was complaining about warts - pointless.

 

It's this season's running gag. They've had a cock joke every episode thus far. Hell, I even wondered what cock joke they were going to use this episode, I never thought they would show a close up of an actual cock for the joke.

24 minutes ago, sj4iy said:

Just because he left the tree doesn't mean he no longer has his powers.  He was greenseeing long before he made it to the cave.

We'll still get more visions, all he needs is weirwood trees to link to.

6 minutes ago, Tinker Tanner said:

So how did Hodor hear Meera? I thought at first Bran War...skin changed into (past) Hodor but Brans eyes didn't go white when Hodor's did. Did (past) Hodor do that by himself? It's not clear to me what happened. 

I think Hodor somehow got connected to the weirwood net through Bran warging into him? I assumed Meera trying to wake Bran may have stirred him a bit or the 3ER allowed Bran to come out of it a little. IDK, it was a very confusing scene; watched it twice and I'm still trying to make sense of it.

2 hours ago, Chloe.a.thomson said:

THAT CLOSE UP 

Oh c'mon! That was the episode 5 dick joke. Hell, every episode so far has had one.

15 minutes ago, RadSam said:

About Ramsay and flaying the apple. 

I sort of took it as foreshadowing that he will end up being a cannibal. Crazy, I know, but hear me out.

Osha walks in and he is flaying the apple. Taking the skin off in one long strip like that points to the fact that he won't be eating the skin. He puts it all aside and they have a quick discussion about his flaying hobbies, Osha asks if he eats them. Ramsay looks amused, but says no.

Everything happens, RIP Osha, and Ramsay starts flaying the apple again, only this time, he eats the skin.

It's not completely out of the realm of possibilities where Ramsay is concerned.

It could be foreshadowing, or I could be reading too much in to the fact that he just ate some apple skin. 

Well, it would just be another way for the show to show us how bad Ramsey really is. Hell, maybe the Boltons have Thenn blood, who knows.

2 hours ago, dbunting said:

He had her bathed, so she would think he wanted to sleep with her. She was escorted to his room, wasn't alone.

Yeah, he knew from the outset that she wasn't to be trusted. But she thought she could pull the same moves on Ramsey that she pulled on Theon.

5 minutes ago, xi0 said:

By making her immune to being burnt? I'm all for giving a character more agency, but this wasn't very different from Drogon saving her. 

I guess they're playing off when she got in that scalding hot bath and picked up her hot dragon eggs in season 1. As much as I loved that scene, I was also asking the question 'I thought this was a one off thing after walking out of that pyre in season one'.

7 minutes ago, RadSam said:

I liked this episode, but it was a bit more boring than the last three. I just get so bored with the HS and his preachy nonsense that I tune out during his scenes. Please someone end the HS and his little sparrows. Please.

Jon and Sansa reunion! Yay! And Brienne and Tormund power couple! As soon as she rode in, I said 'Torumnd is gonna love Brienne!'

PINK LETTER!! Yes!

Osha was never going to survive this season. It was sad to see her go.

I was glad to see LF back. As much of a shit as he is, I love watching him and how he works.

Iron Islands needs more Euron.

Hopefully this gets Dany's ass him gear. She'll smash Astapor, Yunkai, Mereen and probably Volantis and pop on over to Westeros. Please woman, get a move on. 

I'm thinking (hoping) we'll just get updates with what's happening in Dorne now. We won't see it as much this season.

With the title of this episode, I convinced myself that The Hound would be back. I guess we have to wait a little longer.

Overall, not my favourite episode this season, but I liked it!

I agree with most of this and I think Brienne may finally find true love, Tormund was absolutely smitten, lol. And I was surprised Ramsey killed her this quickly, I thought he'd play with her a little but I guess she was too obvious for him.

Disregard the last post, I couldn't get rid of this one quote I didn't want to use(from another thread, which is weird.)