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  1. Sly Wren

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Sorry for the delay--but had to respond to absolutely agree. They've absolutely melded Jon with fAegon and Stannis--and I think they've melded Dany with Val. But the idea that Jon stays in the north--that is very, very workable, I think. I've been thinking one of the reasons they "animated" the NK was to not just give the Westerosi someone to kill, but to have a reason for Dany to go north. As for the Others' being gone forever--we need to know why they came back--not sure the book will address it at all. They've dropped so much stuff off of narrative cliffs, who knows what's happening? I'm with @Voice on thinking that the Others came back when a Stark (NK descendant) killed the Sword of the Morning (Day's King). But that the Targs were a big part of starting that process. Did the children know Dany was coming, and let the Others and the Targs "cleanse" Westeros? Finally reuniting the people with the land? Not sure. Pretty sure the show won't cover it--but if any of the above holds, Westeros always needs to worry about the next time the land gets broken/burned. And the Others will return--Wall or no Wall. Gotta be--the seasons being so out of wack has to mean they never "solved" it--I think it's because they misused power, but that's for my "Day's King" thread, not the shown forum. Yes--I'm thinking the only purpose his being a Targ achieved was to drive Dany's paranoia. Thus making sure a Targ showed her dragon-self and thus got killed. Which would fit the silliness of the show. But also makes me fear they may reveal that Bran lied--or was tricked--and only told that vision to manipulate Jon and Dany. Would be really crappy--but would fit with this show. Sadly.
  2. Sly Wren

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Might even explain Benjen's joining the Watch--after all that happened to his family, he wanted an out and a pass. Jon's even more "out"--free to range north. I'm wondering if it's also a way to get away from "knowledge"--how much does Bran tell him? Has Bran told the truth or manipulated things? If there are secrets, fleeing North is a really Stark-ish move. Like Ned after the Rebellion and Lyanna's Death. So, as you say, a gift.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Can only see two options: Either @Black Crow is right that Jon's parentage is really not a factor--all that matters is his Stark-ness. Thus, he rejects his Targ side and embraces "duty"--again. Or: they are going to pull a cheap switch with the parentage in the last episode: the NK "fooled" Bran (via that mark or something), set Bran up with a "false" memory, and Jon's not Rhaegar's at all. Either one would be really odd. But not at all beyond D&D's playbook. I'm still trying to figure out why they bothered resurrecting Jon-Boy. Seems like he's really not that helpful.
  4. Sly Wren

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Agreed. And am starting to think that the leaks about Jon's going North to the Wall will hold--he goes hoping to end the Winter once and for all. Am also wondering if Westeros is permanently "cursed"--and there's no way to "fix" it. No way to end the unnatural seasons. No way to fix what's been broken. It just needs to be eternally endured. Eternally atoned for by the Starks (original Night's Kings). Thus, the series only ends with a Dream of Spring--not attainable, only dreamed for. If so, the leaks that Jon goes back to the Watch might make sense. Now, why he's a Targaryen and why he was resurrected? Those are just hanging there. Not to mention why on earth greyscale is a thing. But D&D like dropping things off of narrative cliffs.
  5. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    How? Not trying to be difficult--I'm really curious. GRRM establishes exactly who Dany's attracted to. It's not someone like Jon. I do think they are retrofitting Nissa Nissa into the story. Though what Jon's supposed to do with it . . . not sure. I have theories, but they'd all be really crappy if true. But. . . how so if it's based on who Dany's attracted to? Martin's been showing us this from the beginning. And being consistent throughout the novels. Why bother with all of that?
  6. Sly Wren

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    On the bolded--is that why it's snowing in KL? Because even though they killed the Night King, they still haven't fixed the problem? Another Night King's a coming? If so, gotta hope D&D decided to leave the true problem of the Night's King to Martin. Otherwise, this is really bizarre if they end with the same state they started with. . .
  7. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    Right--but that doesn't mean Dany and Jon are romantic and like this. Dany and Jon in the books are attracted to VERY different people: Dany likes violent sociiopaths who kill and conquer. Jon's really not that guy. And the story can be about the two of them without a lot of the stuff the show had them do. Rather like Book Sansa can go save the North with the Vale without becoming Jeyne Poole.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    There's still an hour and 20 minutes next time. Fingers crossed the true mysteries are solved!
  9. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    Well--given that the show melded Val with Dany and Jon with fAegon, seems at least possible that Jon and Val will have sex. I do think he will reject her, though--he's breaking what we hear about the Night's King from Nan, making different choices. But she may reject him first when he reanimates.
  10. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    Of course not--I completely agree with this. My point was just that we've been shown that Dany's capable of monstrous things. This was much worse--and not inevitable. But it had at least some set up.
  11. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    In the books it's clear. In the show, I've been afraid they'd have Dany and Jon have pretty, pretty babies and lots of dragons and wolves. Very grateful they didn't do that.
  12. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    That might be more layered that D&D generally do--but might be an interesting parallel. But Dany's needy--for her dragons and for her lovers.
  13. Sly Wren

    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    Very good point--wondering if Bran sent the horse for that reason. Though if Bran really is all seeing, why in the name of all that's holy didn't he warn Jon before this??? Makes me think book-Bran is not comign back to Winterfell. Bringing him back has been ridiculous--he's an incredibly unreliable data file. And that's about it.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    Yup--it's clearer in the books. But we've see this for a while--from her consent to Viserys' death and MMD onward. Exactly. The Dothraki loved her--so she fought for them. Then killed in Vaes Dothrak when they stopped loving her. Dany, like Viserys, is desperate to be loved. And like Viserys, will commit atrocities to get it.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    Lena Headey is always a star--not quite to the level of Olenna. But yes--even I felt sorry for her at the end. Not enough to wish her well, but to mourn what could have been. Lena's really, really good.
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