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    8/21

    Well I guess I'm not. I haven't even read Fire and Blood 1 yet.
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    8/21

    A new "Sample Chapter"? Why wish for (even) more supplementary material/side stories when the main story isn't finished, though?
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    Dreadfort reality?

    Red is a very powerful color and the association of pink with femininity is just about a hundred years old. And think what they represent, they depict a flayed man and his stretched out skin, sprinkled with his blood. And if we are talking that, then the little pink and red x-shape they used looked a lot closer to a vagina than any of the book-inspired art of the Bolton symbol I've ever seen.
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    Dreadfort reality?

    It's never said. Not really seeing anything sexist in the choice of colours, though.
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    Dreadfort reality?

    Eh let's not forget that in the books the Bolton's sigil is a skinless man on a pink field strewn with drops of red blood. The TV show just added that ugly dark blue because apparently we can't have to many bright colours on screen or otherwise it's not gritty enough or some bullpoop
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    religion and gods

    Nobody says any of the gods are real. Just that it's absurd to say that magic is okay to have in a story, while gods would make a story, somehow, "unbelievable". And also that the possible existence or non-existence of any gods isn't really important to the story, as opposed to the Lord of the Rings, for example, and its extended universe, where the existence of Eru Illuvatar and his various Valar and Maiar is a fact and they play an integral role in the plot.
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    "What If" turnings points in the show

    Again I am serious and it's pretty clear they wanted Dany to become a villain and massacre people, so they would have made her do that, no matter if she had a dragon or not. All the dragon did was provide special effects. The theme of "Dany is coocoo and is murdering relentlessly" would have been the same if she had just led Greywom (who was totally on board with the murdering innocents, as we saw) and her Dothraki screamers (who we also saw attacking civillians, such as in the scene when Arya tries to save the mother and child) through town. Her madness had already "justification" (such as it was) with the murder of Miss Sunday. And the title of Sam's scrapbook could still be justified due to the words of Dany's house. And if the sole important role of the freaking dragon was "incinerating children so that Dany becomes the bad guy"....then that's an incredibly sorry reason to even put a dragon in there and put so much supposed importance on the reptile.
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    religion and gods

    Plus, it's easy to forget these days, but the very oldest form of (at least European/Western, I don't know about the other traditions) magic is invocation. People calling upon (evoking) a spirit/god/departed soul/whatever to either act through them or to bestow temporary power/knowledge upon them. For early Indo-European cultures and long after there was no magic without calling upon or summoning up something/someone first. The idea of just shooting fireballs or healing wounds with magic on your own without asking someone/thing for the power is a very young concept.
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    "What If" turnings points in the show

    I am serious. If Ding-Dong-Dany didn't have a Dragon at that point she would have just led her unsullied and asexually multiplying hordes of Dothraki to massacre the population. And he's married to one who can't give him any and is ( or at the vary likes to think of himself as) very devoted to his various "duties" including the marriage one.
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    religion and gods

    The books actually do treat religion and faith in a pretty fair way, the good bits, the bad bits and what GRRM said was that the gods won't appear in the story in any way they haven't already done so at this point, which is a very elegant answer imho. So I doubt we will ever get an answer in the books whether there's any gods or just magic in the universe. The show on the other hand has a ridiculous hate-boner when it comes to religion, that turns religious characters like Sansa, and especially Davos, into flat-earth atheists and has Jon loudly moan at Mellisandre "there's noooooooooothing Neddy, just a big black nooooooooooooooothing" (to this day book Mellisandre hasn't lost a word or slither of inner monologue that her faith includes any form of communion with R'hllor after death, or any existence after death at all) And I'd also say the High Sparrow and the Sparrows in general come over a lot more hypocritical and "evil" in the show with their irrational homophobia and selective imprisonment of innocent Tyrells, when in the books they have more similarities to a grass-roots movement with religious character that's basically smallfolk being fed up with the petty wars of nobility. Also, sorry, but it's laughably ridiculous to just make a blanket statement like "gods would make this fantasy world with dragons and ice demons and ressurection of the dead" unbelievable. As to what we know. It's fairlyobvious that the Old Gods are some sort of collective soul matrix of the departed Chidlren of the Forest, and in the books possibly also of dead Westerosi humans. As for the rest. In my own opinion it's not important to the story whether there's any gods or not, since the plot or themes aren't really concerned with that. But if I had to answer what I think on the subject, I'd say that R'hllor has the biggest probability to be real in some form, since he seems a very distant, callous and merciless deity that would fit the overall tone of the series. Plus if he's real I could imagine he's more akin to some fairly inpersonal, unknowable Eldritch Abominations.
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    "What If" turnings points in the show

    Did you even watch Season 8? The dragons turned out to be completely irrelevant to the story of the show And the song of ice and fire was just the title of "Maester" Sam's scrapbook. That's particularly a scenario that I thought about very much at the time. Cersei poisons Tommen, and quite possibly herself, Tyrion dies fighting, Joffrey is either sent to the wall or executed. Sansa probably survives barred up in her room and becomes Stannis' hostage next in a bid to make Robb back down from that ridiculous "King in da NORF *grimybigdumbNorthmalegrowl*" Littlefinger and Varys might quite possibly be done away with. Jaime might snap and become an outlaw in the King's Wood. Tywin might make an (useless, doomed to fail) attempt to join forces with Dorne and crown Myrcella as Queen. The court becomes very dreary and cheerless and Mellisandre starts burning things. The more important question really, what will Stannis do about getting himself an heir?
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    Red Flags: Dany = Meereen Nobles

    And still it's wildly out of character for Jaime (at least Book Jaime, not Larry) and it went unmentioned for 7 seasons, so.... Plus, by the time they mentioned it they had already assassinated his character several times over. And the whole series.
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    Red Flags: Dany = Meereen Nobles

    Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how much that scene can be of any use as any "foreshadowingtm" of Daenerys abrupt and badly executed descend into massmurdering psychopathy. The show had this odd habit of making characters kill random people without any consequences, rhyme or reason, often when it wouldn't even be in-character for them. Another example is Jaime randomly strangling that Lannister cousin he is incarcerated with, something he'd never do in the Books (not a Lannister). So I'm not sure how serious we are supposed to take that scene of Daenerys shoving that noble into the fire as opposed to the show runners just thinking it would be "KEWL" and show Dany as a "Boss Ass Bitch"
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    So once again...the writers forgot about Gendry

    Simple, yet true. Since when to "the people" get a say in who is king and who isn't? All the rebels of the War of the Five Kings had enough people calling them king. It all counts for nothing until the person you are rebelling against gives in, and Cersei never did give in. And so they did defeat the Boltons, doesn't make them an independent nation as long as the Seven Kingdoms don't recognize them, just as little as Robb's possession of the North and the Trident did. I would not call the North being independent a "fact", there was still an ongoing war across the whole continent with entire regions changing hands and allegiance. I wouldn't have commissioned a cartographer drawing up an independent Kingdom of the North in a situation like that. Until Cersei would have given in, Jon was still a rebel, no matter if Cersei chose to deal with him right away or later. They were only independent from the Northern perspective, I don't think anybody else in the world agreed, and if they hadn't ended up on the winning side and Sansa hadn't asked for, and being granted, independence, they would have just been returned to the fold. Or was Frederick of Bohemia independent because he managed to hold on for a bit of land for a while? The "Winter King" was just a mocking title in his case. Sansa, of course, can choose to officially include Robb and Jon in the line of Kings in the North, if she wishes to do so, but that's just how Medieval history tended to work.
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    So once again...the writers forgot about Gendry

    With all those titles it's also important to remember that for the whole series people gave themselves all sorts of titles (King of Westeros, King in the North etc.)....without ever having the chance to consolidate their titles. Renly, Stannis, Robb, Balon, Jon...they were all just rebels from the perspective of the Iron Throne and never were able to force the Seven Kingdoms to accept and acknowledge their sovereignty. There wasn't an officially recognized King in the North in the entire show, just claimants to the title, until Sansa managed to have the "Six" Kingdoms recognize her succession. She's the first internationally recognized Monarch in the North since Torrhen Stark. "Calling yourself king doesn't make you one..."
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    So anybody else assuming that in the book Faegon, after taking King's Landing will somehow get one of Daenerys' Dragons and the city will be torched when he and Daenerys (and possibly Jon beign somewhere in the mix too) make heir dragons "dance" over KL?
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    No one really cares about KL massacre

    There was a lot of reaction from Tyrion, Jon, Davos and Arya that showed that they did care and were devastated by the piled of charred bodies and it very much factored into Jon killing Daenerys. Sure they didn't dwell on it, but there are a couple things to consider here: 1)For people on a Medieval level of society horror, war and death are much more common than they are today and the characters just went through a series of wars and battles over the last years all of them losing people they deeply cared for. They are more desensitized against it 2)Most of of the nobles at the council weren't hear the children scream as Daenerys torched the city, to them it's just a couple more ruins in a war that ravaged most of the continent. The only one who shouldn't be accustomed to sights like that would be Sweetrobin and it's been shown that he doesn't have any empathy for others and likes to make people fly, so why would he care that thousands of people were burned to death? It might just make him want a Dragon or remark that it was their own fault for not living at a safe place like the Eyrie. 3)The episode and the whole season was rushed and extremely badly written. Can't dwell on consequences if we "have" to watch Bran's small council act like a terrible work place sitcom. Events being isolated and episodic, forgotten as soon as they happened has been a problem for multiple seasons now. Tyrion and Varys never reacted to Littlefinger's death, Sansa never reacted to Margaery's etc. etc. etc. 4)If you look at the final scenes that take place in a seemingly undamaged King's Landing and Red Keep, it seems even King's Landing "forgot" that it was carpet bombed.
  18. And a lot of houses South of the Neck have First Men blood. The origins of the Lannisters and the Tyrells go back to the time of heroes just like the Starks' do. The Arryns are exceptional in that they claim to be "pure" Andals. And the Thenns (in the books) take pride in claiming that they are the only "pure" First Men left, so according to them even the other Wildlings have mixed with Andals by now (possibly through Night's Watch defectors?) Genetically pretty much everyone from the Wall to the mountains of Dorne is a mix of Andal and First Man, The difference between the North/the Iron Islands/Dorne and the rest of the Kingdoms is that those three regions each have a distinct culture and (at least to some extend in the case of Dorne) a distinct religion, while the rest of the continent is a single, Andal culture with some local flavours. So for those three regions there is at least some reason to go independent (I still think it's a stupid idea, but w/e) so it would have made sense for Yara and Dorne's Amazing Nameless Surprise Prince to follow Sansa's lead in declaring independence.
  19. Yup, just a question of when a house of sufficient power arises to claim (unofficial or official) monopoly over being elected.
  20. Yeah....Sansa has been one of my favourite characters since the beginning but I'm not buying "Super Sansa Queen of Da Norf"
  21. The worst par is now we really have to wait for the books in order to get any sort of logical ending (no matter what it is)
  22. The only thing I really have to say about this is: "Well....that was 80 minutes of...stuff..." Like it wasn't even entertaining.
  23. If it were to go down that route the only acceptable version would be Dany waking up in Meereen, back in Season 4, so that all the horribleness of season 5-8 never happened.
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    Tywin's Sack of KL vs Dany's burning of KL

    I gotta say that I think it's pretty pointless to compare and contrast the war atrocities of the various characters. So, assuming Tywin's action were "worse" under some arbitrary set of rules, would that be any consolation to the people Dany roasted?
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