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  1. And there is the answer. GRRM said himself that Bran has been skinchanging Hodor and practising with the sword because Bran is trained at swordplay. Absolutely nowhere is it ever stated that Bran or any of Ned’s bunch trained at jousting; even when the royal brigade arrive in AGOT, Winterfell doesn’t provide training of that sort. Winterfell doesn’t do that training anymore. So, Bran nor Howland possess the skill so it wasn’t them. Simple really.
  2. So if it’s Howland, skinchanged by Bran, why waste time writing the search order into the story? What’s the point of having Rhaegar search for the knight if (in-story) it has NOTHING to do with Rhaegar? Nothing. Why have Rhaegar search for her, (sorry, Howland)? Because Aerys thinks it’s Jaime? Why? Another KG could’ve searched. Rhaegar searches because, for goodness sake… it’s Lyanna and he finds that out after said search.
  3. I don’t suppose anyone, after 14 pages, has A REASON, why Howland (skinchanged by Bran all afternoon) does this at Harrenhal in regards to the story? What does it serve? Seriously…? On the other hand, Lyanna as the knight has lots of story-related stuff attached. Bran skinchanging someone, and especially the effect it has when it ripples through time, only proves to be disastrous. We know this as fact. Yet, Howland helps win the war and fathers two children after this supposed magical feat. The facts we have contradict every angle of this theory.
  4. Nope. GRRM won’t have gods coming in as characters deus ex machina to control the story. HE said that. And the quote you kindly provided proves Bran, nor Howland possess the skill to do what you propose. By the way, LynnS, I’m well aware this is your own theory now and not Crona’s and you will defend your own ideal with oathkeeper or dark sister had you both swords near at hand. Honestly though, give up the ghost. It’s over my friend.
  5. Respectfully, I do believe you are reaching now, simply because GRRM basically spells it out... In the book, Hodor has stolen one of the old swords from the crypt. Bran has been warging into Hodor and practicing with his body, because Bran had been trained in swordplay. The old gods can lend all the strength to Howland's arm in the world, it just won't allow him to beat three knights who have already won tilts that day. He, nor Bran possess the skill having never practiced jousting. Theory debunked I'm afraid.
  6. Sorry LynnS, that means nothing if Bran or the vessel (in this case Howland) was not already a confident/skilled jouster, and that is as per GRRM's own words. It just won't work, I'm afraid. GRRM says that he skinchanges Hodor and practices swordplay because Bran is already trained at swordplay. The man himself says it.
  7. Yes, but the GRRM comment does say that he was skinchanging Hodor and training with the sword because Bran was already trained at swordplay. I think it may only work if Bran, or the vessel (in this case Howland) was already a confident/skilled jouster. At least, that's what I'm taking from GRRM's words on that.
  8. I’m talking more about how the complete lack of jousting training for Bran and Howland goes quite a long way to debunking the idea that Bran skinchanged Harrenhal Howland to be the KotLT.
  9. Bear in mind, after the tourney, Howland went on to play his part in the war and also father two children with no apparent issues.
  10. Isn’t it a thumbs down for him skinchanging Howland in the “past” so effortlessly and without consequence, as it’s basically confirmed here how Bran will break Hodor’s mind and be the cause of his condition in “present” time like the adaptation showed. This shows that it’s a bad idea with grave consequences. And also ladies, GRRM clearly says in that passage that Bran has been skinchanging Hodor and practising swordplay because he has been trained in swordplay. Is there any mention EVER, that Bran was trained in jousting…? Or any of Ned’s lot? We know Howland wasn’t. So……….? How could Bran skinchange Howland in the past and do those actions at Harrenhal. Geez, this thread just got hot again!!!!
  11. So if we agree the GOHH Arya meets was Jenny of Oldstone’s woods witch friend, although I’m quite sure it’s now universally accepted as canon, then you know she was at Summerhall and gorged on grief there, as per her own words. Tell me, have you anything against her and Rhaegar meeting at Summerhall? Doesn’t it seem glaringly obvious, as she’s a huge, HUGE part of TPTWP prophecy narrative in the story, that her and Rhaegar would cross paths there. I mean, surely Rhaegar going there with his harp was what produced the song “Jenny of Oldstones, with Flowers in her hair” and it was because of the GOHH telling him the story of Summerhall, and therefore also telling him that he was believed to be the PTWP. This is massive, clearly. Why wouldn’t we speculate on it to be honest? We know she gives extremely vivid, yet accurate dream visions. Hard to decipher, but accurate. She always freely gives her visions for Jenny’s song. If Rhaegar wrote it, he has free vision tokens for life. Possible visions of Wolf-maids and Laughing tree shields? No? I probably won’t get you on-side with it to be honest, but you should really open your mind to it all, without viewing Howland as the KotLT, even if just for a time. Think how it all adds up and what it means when you think of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Side note: Rhaegar ends up back in the Riverlands. We know the GOHH moved there. I think they met again; one last vision before he sees Lyanna to be certain he’s making the right choice. And also, there is parallel with Rhaegar and Prince Duncan Targaryen who found Jenny in the Riverlands and chose her, plunging his house into chaos. Wild Jenny, with the blood of the first men in her veins, like Lyanna. Jenny was the GOHH close friend. This all ties together… I can’t be the only one on this thread that sees it surely. I’ll stop rambling now. It’s a habit, sorry.
  12. I know, I'm just teasing. I'm also aware we have strayed a few times. Apologies @Crona
  13. We took all that into account on the exercise, but hey-ho. A closed book on the topic it seems. You keep you secrets close to your heart LynnS.
  14. I don't mean we need it spelled out definitively he isn't Ned's; that's as obvious as the nose on my face. I meant RL=J. Some need it spelled out definitively, so incidentally, we all do. It's fairly spelled out for us in the text any way that the GoHH was the woods witch from the Targaryen history. Rhaegar went to Summerhall with his harp, alone, and came back with songs. It's not a big leap to believe the GoHH lingered there with her grief at Jenny and the tragedy itself. There, her and Rhaegar meet... blah, blah, blah... you get it. We still may get some words from the GoHH herself; I was always fond of reading about her on page. Yes, we are indeed. This is where GRRM will have to produce some of the best writing he has ever pulled off, since the cat has been out of the bag for over 20 years on RL=J and he needs to bring some fresh awesomeness to it that the adaptation didn't show. And also, sadly... because some people just point blank don't believe it because so much time has passed that they think it just can't be true. Not anyone in particular btw, but there are a good few out there I believe.
  15. Can't be helped, I suppose. Sticking with that politically-motivated card 'til the end eh. Romance and prophecy on the back-burner. Fair enough. Now you're opening up. Very juicy statement. I did a Tourney-War timeline exercise ages ago with the magnificent poster Rhaenys_Targaryen, although I'm sure she is on hiatus from the general board for the time being. We had Jon born, Sept - Oct 283AC. Unless something's drastically changed since my own hiatus, we believed that fairly accurate at the time. We researched every angle extensively to do this; it was quite a task. Took 9 pages on my thread I believe. (note, we use our own month names for clarity and go by our own calendar of 12 moon turns, naturally) I suppose (if accurate) that puts the date of Jon being conceived around the end of 282 AC. So Rhaegar encounters Lyanna in 282 AC; the exact point could be hazy of course. He set out with companions at the turn of the year it's said. He ends up in the Riverlands, ultimately... A lot happens in 282 obviously, but I'm curious as to when in 282 you think is Lyanna impregnated? You won't discuss who by due to reluctance, but I'm curious of the when?
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