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    Future of House Westerling and House Spicer

    That's interesting idea. Founder of House Spicer was merchant, elevated by Tytos Lannister. Reynes were destroyed about 7 years prior the death of Tytos, so House Spicer possibly could have been founded after destruction of Reynes. I have another idea who might be Elyn Reyne. I think she was a niece of Gerold Lannister (husband of Rohanne Webber), Cerelle Lannister, lawful lady of Casterly Rock. There were rumors about Gerold killing Cerelle, but what if he just disposed her and raised under other identity in the house of his loyal vassals. When he had sons of his own, he tried to marry Cerelle back to his family. He betrothed her to her first cousin Tywald, who was younger than his bride at least by 2 years (and at most by 10). Later she married Tion, Tywald's twin brother. Marriage took place in 235, Cerelle then had to be 26 years old, Tion - between 16 and 24. Later she tried seduce Tytos, who was 11 younger than her - that could explain why Tytos was so intimidated by his brother's widow. From this point of view all Ellyn's actions look in very different light. She wasn't just power greedy bitch, she was struggling for her own birthright. It also could explain why Tytos was so forgiving to lady Tarbeck - he just knew her real story. Tywin Lannister, on the other hand, either didn't know this secret, o worse - knew and chose to eliminate rightful pretenders to Casterly Rock completely. Somehow I think Tywin was capable of that. He exterminated all inhabitants of Tarbeck Hall and Castamere because wanted to be sure, that no one will tell story of Cerelle Lannister. Ellyn Reyne being Cerelle Lannister doesn't exclude possibility of her reappearance as Maggy, but it's quite unlikely. If Tytos sympathized his cousin he could grant lordship to her new family, but it could only had happened in 7 years after destruction of Reynes, while Tytos was still alive. So Elyn can't be wife of merchant Spicer and mother of the first lord Spicer. Either first lord Spicer has to be Tion Tarbeck, Elyn' son, or maybe at least one of her daughters escaped silent sisters and married first lord Spicer. But maybe Spicers came from her Reyne brothers (who weren't her real brothers if she was Lannister). Nothing is known about their marriages or children.
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    Incest Deficiencies, or lack thereof

    Mental problems of Targs don‘t come from incest. For example Aerion Brightflame was born to Dayne mother, and his father was half Martell. If inbreeding in family is consistent, then harmful recessive genes will surface in first generations, part of offspring in each generation will die or be infertile, but eventually most of genes will become homozygous, harmful recessive genes will be eliminated (in the case family survives). So healthy members of inbred families will have fewer harmful recessive genes than non-inbred families. I think Valyrian dragonriding families after many generations of incest were like that – inbred, but quite healthy. If members of two inbred families intermarry, their children will have more variable genes, but still very few harmful recessive genes. Maybe that explain why children of Velaryon and Targaryen descent were quite healthy. But when member of inbred family marry someone from non-inbred family, new recessive genes will flow in to family gene pool. If incestuous marriages follow, these recessive genes will show up. For example, I think polydactyly of Jahaerys (Son of Aegon II) and development problems of his sister originated not in Targ stock, but in Hightowers. If low viability of Naerys and Aegon IV children was due to incest, then harmful recessive genes probably came from Rogare family. And if low viability of Aerys II and Rhaella’s children was caused by incest, then problematic genes most likely came from Blackwoods (could be also Daynes and Martells).
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    Could be. Yet it seems unlikely, that Lyanna could be daughter of Aerys. One doesn't exclude the other. Aerys was known to be very promiscuous. That means Jaime and Elia could be half siblings. Interesting how it could have influenced PoD's and Joanna's decision to betroth their children. If Jaime wed Elia, their children would have started some double-bastard Targaryen-Lannister- Martell branch.
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    Rhaenyra: Traitor or legitimate heir?

    I think Criston Cole was a gay and in love with Laenor. It would best explain why he spurned Rhaenyra, the Realm's delight, and why he hated Joffrey Lonmouth, Laenor's favourite, so much.
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    How would you feel if..

    I would be delighted. Jon and Dany great characters, but they were made when aSoIaF books were planned as trilogy. After five books and six year of waiting for next book and GoT TV series Dany and Jon are a bit expired. And Arya, Bran and Tyrion came close to this too. I don't want them dissappear . But maybe it i time to end them as POV characters, with their plotlines continued and witnessed by the eyes of other POV's. Or at least skip one book as POV characters.
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    What will happen in Vale [TWOW spoliers]

    What makes you sure he is not the same Gulltown merchant?
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    Why are the Rivermen so weak??

    I agree. And Tullys were never the Kings in contrary to Starks, Lannisters, Arryns. They ruled Riverlands only as vassals under Targaryens. So in the War of the five kings Tully's also were followers, not leaders - they only chose to follow Stark King instead of Lannisters. It seems that riverlords don't support Tullys as fervently as western lords support Lannisters or northmen Starks. BTW, Tyrells were in similar position, only Reach was spared by war, so their weakness as rulers of Reach was never revealed.
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    What will happen in Vale [TWOW spoliers]

    Maybe they are friends. It is possible,that father of Saffron is the same merchant, that is - he is Lord Corbray's father in law. Then Littlefinger bribed him with marriage to Lord Corbray. Still, richest merchant of Gulltown can play his own game and Littlefinger is not almighty and not immortal.
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    I’m surprised that...

    Robert didn't spent much time in the North: He was born in Stormlands, then lived in the Vale. Then he fought mostly in Riverlands and Stormlands and probably went to Westerlands during Greyjoy's rebellion. Then resided in Kings Landing. Just had no opportunity to sire bastard in the North. But I think he had sired one in Estermont though:
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    What will happen in Vale [TWOW spoliers]

    I think Sansa can be in danger because of her rival, daughter of spice merchant: Saffron's father can attempt eliminate Sansa if she comes close to marriage with Harry. Why bastardborn Alayne is better than daughter of rich merchant? In aFfC lord of ancient noble house married merchant's daughter: so Saffron's father can nourish plans to wed his daughter to Harry the Heir.
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    Genetic coding- 100% real world or fantasy for literature?

    It's not just unlikely, it's not possible. Both Rhaenyra and Laenor looked Valyrian, so they had recessive genes (bb alleles according Punnett square). Their children couldn't be dark haired. More chances that Robert is real father of Cersei's children. Robert's grandma was Targaryen princess, so he could have recessive Valyrian gene. Robert's Valyrian gene combined Cersei's golden blond would result in golden blond (like Cersei) child. Chances were 50/50. Chances for three blond children in row are 12,5 to 87,5 -that's unlikely, but still possible. Intermediate colors are also possible (at least in real life). The samples Ned found in the book were 90-120 years old: Dunk and Egg stories took place 90 years ago. Targaryen princess (daughter of Egg) wasn't married to Baratheon yet. And it seamed there were no more marriages between Lannisters and Baratheons after Baratheon wed Targaryen princess. So Ned's conclusion (as well as Aryn's) about "gold yielding before the coal" could not be applied to Robert's children. O course, if Robert didn't inherit his grandma gene, he could be BB, so he had no chance to have blond children. We know about five black haired children of Robert: Mya, Bella, Gendry, Edrick, Barra. But we don't know how all their mothers looked like, so bastards could have inherited hair color from their mothers. Barra's mother was red haired, Gendry's mother was blond. But at least one of Robert's mistresses was black haired: I suspect Becca is Mya's mother, because of big eyes association with owls: So Mya could have inherited her black hair from her mother, not from Robert. Similar situation with bastards of Oberyn Martell. Tyene Sand is blue eyed and golden haired. I would suspect she was not Oberyn's daughter, but Oberyn had Valyrian ancestry (princess Daenerys), so he was possible Valyrian genes carrier. Oberyn could have blond or even Valyrian looking children. Other Oberyn's daughters are dark haired, but their mothers also were dark haired (except from Lady Nym's mother, and I am not sure about Obara's mother). Same with Robert. If he was carrier of Valyrian gene, he could have blond or even Valyrian looking children. I don't really believe Cersei's children are Robert's . But chances that at least one child - Joffrey, Myrcella or Tommen - is Robert's are pretty good. As well as chances that some of unknown Robert's bastards are blond.
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    Genetic coding- 100% real world or fantasy for literature?

    Looks like Gwyneth is a bastard. Unless her mother is not blue-eyed blonde.
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    Gerold Dayne - Targaryen ancestry?

    I think Gerold Dayne descended from Maegor, son of Brightflame and Daenora Targaryen. That could not only explain his Targaryen look, but also his ambitions and why Martells are so concerned about him.
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    Genetic coding- 100% real world or fantasy for literature?

    I think we will see another bastard on Estermont: I agree that Valyrian look of children can be explained by presence of recessive Valyrian genes in Martells and Daynes. In fact a number of noble houses could possess minor Valyrian ancestry, because they could had intermarried with descendants of Targaryen princessess – Rhaena (had six daughters with Hightower), Elaena (her children Plum, Penrose and Waters), Aerea and Rhaella (possibly had children), as well as with Valyrian houses Velaryons and Celtigars and noble Lyseni (like Rhogare). But in this case firstborns non-Valyrian looking and younger Valyrian looking children could only be explained by pure coincidence. Cases with firstborn Valyrian looking child and younger children with their mother’s coloring are equally probable, though such cases are never mentioned so far. I agree. Incomplete albinism with very low concentration of melanin explains Valyrian features. It’s caused by defective pigment–related genes. But if normal pigment-related genes could be turned off it would also lead to albinism. That’s why I favor theory of epigenetic origin of Valyrian albinism. In this case Valyrians don’t need to possess any recessive albinism allele at all, just normal color-related genes, only they are turned-off by some mysterious factor in their bodies (blood) which is transferred to their children (save of firstborns). Maybe similar patterns could also explain why traits of other houses (Lannisters, Lothstons/Whents, Durrandons/Baratheons) persist through generations even without high degree of incest. Of course it is fantasy theory of inheritance, but it could work for sci-fi too. So if Ashara Dayne went to North her nose and ears would turn black? So cute, I like this idea .
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    Genetic coding- 100% real world or fantasy for literature?

    Genetics of Planetos doesn't have to be identical to real one. Maybe telegony works in ASoIaF fantasy world in contrary to real one. Inheritance of maternal hair and eye color is somehow blocked after first pregnancy. To me, repressing off maternal traits is best and in most simple way explained by some infectious factor (targvirus). Sort of a simple switching maternal pigment genes off. But possibly cells (blood) of first fetus stay in mother's body (thus it resembles microchimerism) and even partially replace mother cells and second child inherits Targ traits both from his mother (in fact from his elder sibling) and father.