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Tyu-Chuck

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  1. Where exactly its obvious? GRRM is nothing but obvious, otherwise everyone would antecipate the Red and Purple Wedding, etc.... I never said it is impossible, because we have 2 books were GRRM can explore this ideia and write something much more plausible.... I presented what I think its going to happen based in my analisis of the character: its not impossible, just very unlikely
  2. I know that.... cannibals and daughters it's hardly remotely comparable.... he sacrificed them for the fact they eat people..... if he ignore this, they would continue to do this.... he needs to control his men, and prevent that some psycho soldiers just kill the others for their flesh......
  3. Ok, you definitely knows cold..... you live it, I know, you have more experience than I and know it more than I.... but it doesn't mean that others won't..... otherwise this discussion is futile....... its like "i know more than you all so no one can discuss with me" and I know that his situation is dire, very dire.... but in the books when he is faced with the same decision, he refused to make ANY sacrifice..... He was with a full army of mounted knights at Deepwood Motte.... about half of his army of mounted knights..... now he has something like 800 or maybe less.... Ramsay never destroyed his supplies..... even so his knights asked for a sacrifice of an unbeliever and he just answered "Half my army is made of unbelievers. No more burnings. Pray harder" And just remember, Asha is with them..... she is an unbeliever with kingsblood.... and still he refused to do it.....
  4. In my opinion its just poor writing.... EDIT: just because doesn't make any sense the way D&D placed the sacrifice.... and so many scenes on this season (Littlefinger just hand over Sansa to the Boltons; the Bolton actually marry her to the family; etc) 1 year of siege in Storm's End and he resisted..... 1 day (tops) without food and he succumbs to sacrifice his own daughter.... on the books he refuses to sacrifice Asha or any unbeliever for this.... "Half my army is made of unbelievers. No more burnings. Pray harder"
  5. There is those who thinks its impossible for the book Stannis to do it and others who think he will unquestionably.... there is enough proof to support both depending on how you interpret his motives, so enter in extensive raving arguments is just futile.... we need oly to accept the opionion of the other I really thinks that he won't gonna do it.... nothing on his arc have showed that he is capable of sacrificing his own daughter fo a number of reasons: 1) He sacrificed only people who wronged him somehow: Lord Alester Florent tried to make peace with the Lannister (and give Shireen as a hostage); Guncer Sunglass and Lord Rambton's 2 sons were killed not by Stannis, but Selyse and Melisandre while Stannis was not at Dragonstone during the Blackwater, and even then they have defiled orders, the first decided to abandon Stannis' cause because he didin't want to accept R'hllor (he was punished not for the religion, but for the treason of abandoning his king) and the two brothers because they refused to let Stannis burn the Seven statues, and tried to stop it by force. Renly tried to stole the throne that was rightfully his, its simple.... its war, they used the weapons they have at hand..... and if you believe that Renly were not planning on killing Stannis as well, read the book again and see for yourself About Edric (Gendry, in the show), it was him who asked the proof of the power of kingsblood, not Davos and it took almost the entire 3th book for Melisandre to convince him to do it, and even then it was a nephew that he barely knew, not his daughter Mance Rayder was an deserter of the Night's Watch.... if you don't agree with this read the Bran's first chapter from the first book were Ned Stark execute a man for the same reason.... Last, but not least, during the march to Winterfell, were on the show he sacrificed his own daughter, on the books he refuses to sacrifice anyone but a group of soldiers that resorted to canibalism... he refuses to sacrifice Asha (who has kingsblood, by the way) and only considers sacrifice Theon because of the murder of "Bran" and "Rickon"..... the Karstarks have the choice to admit their treason and die by beheading or to deny and burn...... 2) He is constantly saying about his duty with her and her rights as his heir: "It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother." "You will avenge my death, and seat my daughter on the iron throne. Or die in the attempt" 3) Its not even close to compare a daughter to a nephew he barely knew, a brother that tried to steal everithing from him and to the other examples that I mentioned 4) and remeber, most of his bannermen follow other religions.... sacrifice his daughter means lose these men I will not say that is impossible for him to sacrifice his daughter.... its only very unlikely.... it will take much more then the reasons of the show for he to do it.... and I not saying it will be forgivable, but will be much more fitting to his character development than this ridiculous portrait that D&D made of him.... he is a grey character, and the fact that there is people who defend him and other who criticize him demonstrate it.... the show made him a darker character, and and its not in GRRM style to do it.... Geographically, he is not close to his daughter..... he took the entire 5th book to reach Winterfell.... but we have 2 books ahead of us, and its not impossible for them to reunite on WoW, I will admit, just very difficult due to winter and low supplies I can think it happening as Nissa Nissa part of the prophecy, the ultimate sacrifice to save mankind, but nothing in the books show that Stannis believes he is AAR, in fact he said he doesn't believe in any gods and is just using Mel's magic in his favor... but you never know with GRRM.... other option is Melisandre and Selyse, after the pink letter, try to sacrifice Shireen to ressurect AA, but ending ressurecting Jon....but what they will do after finding out that Stannis is not AA (that much I'm sure), and that he never died, I have no ideia.... but again, you never know with GRRM The only way for us to find out is reading the book.....
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