A Horse Named Stranger

I'd ratehr give credit to the Bayern defense, who've managed to more or less neutralize Liverpool's firepower (including Salah). The biggest chances were missed by Mane.

Level game thus far. Didn't think Bayern would be able to do as well asa they have thus far.

Not necessarily. I think they will vote with Labour on issue most of the time. And the DUP are imho not what's cuasing the real headache for May, that's the ERG. And the seven don't have the numbers (obviously) to offset those votes. But again, this is a rather academic question, as May would need to make a compromise with the opposition parties (and tell the ERG to get lost) which she's unwilling to do.

I asked what changed, you said it has taken attention away from May and Corbyn stalling. So there the seven breaking way must make a difference in some shape or form on their stalling. If nothing has really changed in that regard why bring it up?

And Terry and the Jeezer wouldn't have been stalling, but taking a hands on approach to Brexit without the seven breaking away? They've been stalling in plain sight for two years, and have continued to do so since the beginning of the year with the clock ticking down. Yes, Labour have moved a weeeeeeeee bit, but too little too late imho. With regards to the pressure, I think the opposite might be true, I think that move might have emboldened them to put pressure on him, as in, do something or we will leave this foolship (which once ws the proud Labour party, too). So that argument cuts both ways. Is this dagger in the back thing now the rationalization of the moderate Tories of what has happened? Can we go back and re-examine what actually happened? Cameron promised a referendum with the aim to have the electorate put a sock into those ERG clowns, because he himself lacked the spine to do so himself. And the ERG campaigned on their issue, while Cameron again lacked the spine to take them on, hoping they would just go away. I am not sure where you get the backstabbing bit in? This war him challenging them to a duel with muskets, and then yelling at them shoot me, I dare you. And they indeed did shoot him straight into the chest. No backstabbing, just horrible party management, and lack of leadership from Cameron that has lead to his demise. And I really don't get that urge to portray him in a more flattering light, as in he was being betrayed/backstabbed by the ERG. As for May, she is truely Cameron's successor in terms of political cowardice. She had decided to treat Brexit as a partisan issue and empower the ERG over Brexit instead of trying to reach a cross party consensus in parliament of what Brexit should look like. But alas, she also lacked the spine to tell the ERG off, because she feared it would break her party. So that mess was created due to political decissions taken with a lack of leadership and courage by Cameron and May.

I think the idea is to keep the option open to re-join Labour, if either Corbyn develops some coherent policy, or gets removed, they can delay the formation of the new party for a few weeks (post Brexit), if Corbyn does not move policy wise, there might be more defection coming and they can launch a new party in April. So this is to some extent a clear warning for Corbyn move policy wise, or face defectors, our patience has run out.

What has really changed with the split? Labour has (thus far) lost 7 MPs who did not agree with the Leadership's policy and were more likely to defy the whip anyway. There's no GE announced (as of now at least). One of the guys that split was/is Chuka Umunna. Hardly a nobody, is he? Those are the most hardcore remainers within Labour, I think. And like I said, the the writing was one the wall for quite some time.

Hadn't the fit and proper person definiton become void of any meaning when Abramovich stepped in? There's also the story of Ranger's Whyte, but then again, he a fit and proper fit for that fit and proper club.

There's always been some overlap between the far right and parts of the far left, when it comes to criticism of Israel. I give some cue words, you can fill in the narrative yourself. Oppression of the Palestines similarities to 1930s Germany, US propping up that rogue state, state of Israel being an artificial construct forced upon the region and is the root cause for most of the regions problems. etc. Of course, there's always a bit of misrepresentation of criticism of Israel, and right wing Israelis and sympathizers have always been very loose with the accusaiton of anti-semitism to paint any criticism of it as anti-semitism. That extends of course also to individual right wing cunts, who just happen to be Jewish, who like to call people that refer to them as cunts as anti-semites (German right wing author Henryk M. Broder comes to mind, he has really made an art form out of it; fill in American of your choice here). However I am not familar enough to judge whether Corbyn is an anti-semite, or if he has simply been not careful enough with criticism of Israel (and its policies) and just drawn fire from the right. On the other hand, I think the anti-semitism stuff is really not what is driving this split, this is entire Corbyn's Brexit stance. C'mon the writing for it was on the wall for a good while. They've tried to push Corbyn's EU policy into a different direction for almost two years now (and there instances where huge parts of Labour MPs voted against the leadership). Corbyn has shown no inclination to change course and is instead sticking with McClownsky on that issue. ANd let's be real here, Brexit is the big issue here. Corbyn's Brexit letter was very likely the final straw. But it's funny in a way, that with all the Tory infighting and insanity on display with the UK goverment, that Corbyn still managed to break the Labour party first. That is quite an achievement, it has to be said. Ah, c'mon, Corbyn changed the political landscape, and challenged the status quo... of the Labour party as pro-European. For now, I wouldn't be too surprised if more MPs followed. Anyway, let's see if the count stops at seven, or if the entire dam breaks.

That is outright blasphemy. There's Zlatan, and then there's others.

Yes, the Remain campaign was a proper shamble. With a PM too scared of the right wing of his party and the right wing media moguls to show up to campaign for his prefered choice (I avoid the word belief, as I don't think that Etonian pig f... does hold any; other than him being born into privilege was by his own merit). And with the Labour leader being indifferent at best towards the referendum outcome. However it is not that easy to campaign on status quo, when you have spent yourself years to blame the EU for every shitty decission you took (yourself) in goverment. If you want to cast the blame, I'd start with the media, who were either campaign driven (one of Rupert's pet projects), or those who were unable to properly report on the issues, fact check and hold campaigner to account properly over blatant lies, out of some misguided idea of neutrality (BBC), and thus failed to educate their audience.

Bruno Ganz Suisse character actor. Or as the younger webfolk knows him. Hitler (Der Untergang (the Downfall)) His best role was arguably the angel Damiel who wanted to become human to experience love, touch and life in general (Himmel über Berlin (Wings of Desire) (yes, the movie that was ripped off for City of Angels))

Ooops, you are of course correct, for some reason I thought Wolfsburg was a loan deal (like Bremen). Memories can be tricky.

Arguably yes, however, there's still a very big gap between the KdB they sold to City and the Salah that left for Roma.

That was a no-win situation. This referendum was first and foremost a national issue. Who remember what BoZo said about Obama, after he made his remain recommendation? Yes, it was the one with Obama hating on Britain because his ancestors suffered under British colonial rule. And let's bare in mind, British politicians pre-Brexit had quite a good reputation as being level headed, so why should Tusk take little Daveyboy by the hand and drag him thru his referendum? There was very probably a consensus that an experienced politican and campaigner like Cameron should be able to win it. So he presumably got some shit when he showed up at the summit after the referendum. And that's not talking about how self-defeating it is, to have Tusk (or Juncker, or whoever) to campaign for the EU, while leavers campaigned on the delusion that the EU overlords are ruling them. If you wanted to put human faces on it, the milions of NHS nurses would have served that purpose much better in my humble opinion.