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  1. Bonkers

    Why did Benjen take the black?

    The only reason there was a double wedding was because the rebellion had kicked off and Hoster (Being the shroud negotiator he was) demanded it for the use of Riverlands forces in the war. Jon Arryn was old and without child, Lysa was known to be fertile from her Littlefinger miscarriage. He forced Ned into marrying Cat (they negotiated and Cat thought it was 'custom' for a second son to marry a elders betrothed), when Ned didn't seem to want to or there wouldn't have been a delay. Also, Blackfish seemed to object to it, as he publicly denounced fighting for house Tully at the wedding feast and swore to house Arryn. Lyanna was never betrothed to Edmure because Rickard's Southron Ambitions were not about one region, but for the whole south. Hence why Ned was probably betrothed to Ashara of house Dayne, and actually fell in love with her, and no one else fell in love with their betrothals, like Robert and Lyanna, Brandon and Cat... Benjin was too young to be betrothed at the start of the war.
  2. Bonkers

    Why did Benjen take the black?

    Pro tip number 1 : NEVER under estimate the power of THE GRRM..... You think Tyrion is clever? GRRM made Tyrion. You think you care about the story? GRRM made you care about the story. What GRRM made you believe, GRRM will take what you believe away.
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    Strangest Possible Ending

    Pro tip number 1 : NEVER under estimate the power of THE GRRM..... You think Tyrion is clever? GRRM made Tyrion. You think you care about the story? GRRM made you care about the story. What GRRM made you believe, GRRM will take what you believe away.
  4. Bonkers

    Should Martin have ended the War of Five Kings?

    Pro tip number 1 : NEVER under estimate the power of THE GRRM..... You think Tyrion is clever? GRRM made Tyrion. You think you care about the story? GRRM made you care about the story. What GRRM made you believe, GRRM will take what you believe away.
  5. Bonkers

    Why did Benjen take the black?

    What are you talking about? Ned and Brandon were fostered out at young ages and didn't grow up with her at Winterfell as a young woman. The first part of your statement is a complete conjecture (of your opinion). We know what Lyanna wants and doesn't want from her conversations, yes, but when she is older she has the wolf blood and follows her own heart at the tourney. She falls in love with Rhaegar - after the betrothal - at the tourney and goes home. This is when I think she tells Benjin she is in love and decides to elope. Benjin may have advised against it but he is loyal and keeps her secret. I think this is after the family have left to attend Brandon and Catelyn's wedding at Riverrun, when they discover she is missing, and rumour says she left with Rhaegar. As the rest of the house and family have gone, Benjin has no one to tell...and things get out of hand and when Ned comes home he finds a sorry Benjin. As the war was raging, he had no way of getting a private message to Ned. That is what I was saying, I am sorry you felt the need to over explain things, but your comment of "Bonkers, your idea, turns Lyanna into a hapless victim who goes silently to her doomed marriage with only telling her baby brother about her misgivings" is weird. I am sure Lyanna would have done her duty if it came to that, but with all her family leaving for the wedding and her finding an opportune moment to elope along the way, or before, with Rhaegar is what makes her true to her wolf blood. She did it of her own choice, knowing the consequences. On the other side of it, I am not of the belief R+L=J at all. It gives nothing to the story, and GRRM (a seasoned screen writer and novelist) would never have told a massive plot twist to 2 newbie nobodies of his book that wasn't published yet. He told DnD they said the correct answer to that because that was what he wanted them to think. GRRM most likely wanted the mic drop himself with WoW. When he gave them that answer, he thought that WoW would be out soon and he would be co-writing for ages. But when it came to be not what he wanted, and that they would not be true to the source material (as he has stated in interviews he was aware of) he left.... with no worries, because he hadn't told them the real twist, only the red herring he gave..... which most of us picked up on in the first read only a quarter of the way through the first book. R+L does not equal J, and that is the best thing of all. GRRM makes you think something is important, only to shift gears and throw you off. Like DnD. Who knows why Benjin took the black? GRRM does. The point is, you don't know and neither do any of us. We can speculate but that is all, and if I want to believe Benjin kept his sister's promise and secret for her, over 'then-betrothal' she never wanted, then I will. You can argue as long as you want, but I believe Lyanna had the 'wolves blood' and left her sworn betrothal for real love, and Benjin lost his honour protecting her, just like Ned did ... (having married his pregnant love Ashara in the Wolf's Den in White Harbour (Davos chapter), on the way to the wedding, in front of a heart tree and then knowing Jon was his true born northern son and half Dayne. Being half Dayne makes him the Sword of the Morning for what he has done, and able to wield Dawn as the Last Hero. This then makes Ned's marriage to Cat worthless to the Old Gods as it was in a sept and all the story lines of the bastard Stark kids more meaningful. It means R+L=Aegon young Griff and his story with Dany mean something , as he is actually half Stark/Usurpers Dog and more deep than just R+L=J)
  6. Bonkers

    Why did Benjen take the black?

    I am in the camp of Benjen was sent by Ned after returning from the war because he didn't tell them Lyanna left willingly with Rhaegar, for love. We can be certain they had a close upbringing together, as the only two children not fostered out, and if she told him not to tell he may have kept that solemn oath. Obviously he wouldn't know the final outcome, and most likely didn't get updates as the trident and marching of armies was happening... but we don't have any direct evidence about any of it, so I can only speculate. But on a side note, there are a few interesting tube vids on the topic, and a very recent one by Dave and Maryellen at Order of the Green Hand make some interesting observations.
  7. you come across as very arrogant and sanctimonious, just so you know.  I am sure you are a lovely person, but your words make you sound like a jerk btw .   I read through your comments, you should tone your 'knowledge' done.

  8. Whose Bittersweet end?

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