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  1. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    If you didn't watch something then you generally don't get the right to critique it. I think that makes sense. There are many things to criticise about the show, but most of the points you make about season 5 really just boil down to changes to book content and characters that you don't like. I've had that discussion so many times on the GoT boards and its plain for everyone to see. Stannis and Sansas storylines were simply more entertaining than their book versions, and both are miles better than anything the show is doing right now. If you want to hate on the show, watch it right now, there is a lot to hate.
  2. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    My point is, perceived sexism isn't really something I use as a barometer of quality, in fact I think GoT has made so many ludicrous attempts to counter the sexism charge in the past few seasons that its gone completely the other way. Now every female is 'empowered' and strong, and most of the male characters are weak and pathetic. And if we are purely talking about the last couple of seasons then I would agree with you. There has been very little attempt to real deal with politics on anything more than a superficial level. The romances are mostly incredibly shallow and poorly set up and there is too much reliance on fart and nob jokes. I'm totally in agreement with you there. I don't think its still a great show. I do think it has just enough to make it a good show still, but its really borderline and there have been many occasions this season and last where I had my head in my hands at its ineptness. However even with all of that, its still better than Agents of SHIELD.
  3. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    Yeah that exactly the sort of nonsense I'm talking about. A sort of bizarre obsession with sex, as if that bares any relevance to the quality of the show or the writing. Its fine to be a Agents of SHIELD fan, I quite enjoy it for what it is, but I don't think anyone can claim it is a high quality show or meaningfully written. Its light and fluffy and its attempts at pathos and 'themes' are mostly incredibly clunky. Its a network show from top to bottom.
  4. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    Yeah it's posts like that which made me stay away from the GOT board
  5. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    You weren't joking. That is A LOT of shows.
  6. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    I can see what your saying, for me the difference is the proportion of 'good' scenes to 'bad' scenes. Sure there have always been a few clunky moments in GoT, many you have just mentioned. I think the difference is that they were usually the exception to the rule, and that mostly the show was smartly paced, full of wit and intrigue, it was good at building tension, featured many beautifully acted moments and plenty of emotional payoffs. For every crappy Ramsey Bolton scene there usually 5 excellently acted and well made scenes. This latest season you'd be hard pressed to find one good , clever, well written scene that doesn't feel like some hastily put together attempt to make sure the plot points occur. I rewatched the first episode of season 7 last week and there was one solitary scene I felt came close to the quality of the first few seasons. That was Jim Broadbent and sam having a conversation about White Walkers, that was the only half decent scene that episode and it was probably the least exciting. The first 20 minutes were pure exposition designed to help casuals catch up, and it was obvious. The show has always been over rated in terms of artistic merit, its always been quite soapish and melodramatic, but it has no lost any pretence at art and is purely a commercial venture now, which I find quite sad, but understandable considering its production.
  7. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    I've spent enough time in the GoT discussion boards to know how emotive an issue this is for some people, and it can be hard to view the show objectively due to their love of the source material. The current season is the worst by far and most of the crimes the show has been guilty of have become ever more frequent with every episode: poor writing, expositional dialogue, rushed plotting, nonsensical moments. But there are plenty of shows that have exactly the same issues, and don't even have any of the more positive qualities of the show. Agents of SHIELD can be reasonably entertaining, but is essentially teen trash. Grimm is horrible. Homeland is insulting to its viewers and House of Cards the past couple of years has become a parody of itself. I don't think you could ever put shows like that above Game of Thrones without being a little dishonest about your feelings. Theres an element of spite involved with those rankings sometimes, and its understandable, I got very angry at GoT this year and might have done the same if I'd voted after Ravens became superpowered.
  8. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Rank your 2017 TV shows throughout the year

    As someone who would have ranked the show #1 on my list for the past few years I'm personally not going to let it into my final top ten of the year this year. Maybe had I not been a book reader and been less involved with the story I'd be able to overlook some of the issues, but there is no doubt the show has dropped hugely in quality, mainly in terms of storytelling, script and character. It has pushed up in terms of set pieces and plot development ( as in more is happening) but sometimes you need the connective tissue between those scenes to really get the full effect. I think Annara Snow is coming more from a ranting perspective and over egging how bad the show is, its clearly better than much of the trash on tv and still has a decent level of competence in its writing. Having said that, I would easily put it above many of the other shows Corvinius listed. House of Cards was unwatchable this year, Defenders is desperately bland, AoS and GRIMM?!?!. I think there needs to be some perspective. There are easily 10 better shows out this year than GoT, but that doesn't mean its a bad tv show.
  9. I disagree with some of that. I think many of the issues are simply down to the number of episodes and an urge to increase the pace and go out with a bang. I wouldn't describe it as a marketing ploy rather it's about giving the audience what they want. On one level they are right, many people I know thought these are some of the best episodes ever. That doesn't mean that I think they did a good job, they didn't. But that their motivations are probably a lot less cynical than those you are describing
  10. Simply due to the insane height of the wall, you could see pretty far away on a good day.. and the weather was seemingly good that morning. Anyway, the Gendry thing I could kind of forgive, its a minor issue. But when you add it up to the raven speed + the dragon speed then really you are looking at 4-5 days at the very very least between Gendry going and the lake fight. The episode was shot to suggest it was one solitary night. Its hard to even imagine they could survive in that cold for more than 1 night (one is a stretch anyway). But even if they could, the director cocked up by giving the appearance that those events happened in such a short amount of time. I personally found it pretty insulting to the audience's attention span to suggest we don't notice things like this. I've forgiven almost every other lack of attention to detail and vague timekeeping on the show, but this one really stung because there was simply no way to excuse it. They are usually vague in timescales, which means they can get away with it, but there is no vagueness here.
  11. Its a good point though, if the army of the dead is that close to the wall then those on the wall would be able to see them. Either way, the way the episode was directed suggested the band were trecking for about a day or more until they met the army of the dead. Even when Gendry is running back he's running towards the wall.. but you can't see the wall! So how far away is it?! There are a number of basic storytelling elements there that can only be described as flaws. They should have known the teleportation thing would crop up this episode, but they added bits like Gendry which only made the problems worse.
  12. Channel4s-JonSnow

    Podcasts and Organizing them

    I listened to it yesterday. Was ok, I kind of wanted there to be more in there, to get a different take on the events. I think they were both extremely careful in what they said and not sure there was a great deal of insight in it. Interesting points about Harris curating exactly who he will speak to in interviews, whereas Murray is ok with getting around a table with anyone, even if people link him by association to them. I think he needs to be a bit more careful.
  13. Matter of opinion. For me it is important that the show at least stay grounded in some form of reality. Yes it has dragons and zombies but to all intents and purposes it follows the same laws of physics as our world. So birds can't fly enormous distances in superhuman times, men can't run in arctic conditions as if they are doing a marathon, people can't survive in arctic conditions without shelter, they can't fight at full capacity afterwards either. On their own maybe you could forgive these brain farts but when you add them all up it's really just exposing a huge laziness in the writing. I can't forgive that as easily as I have been able to do throughout this season
  14. Also he was running. You can't run that fast for that long, especially in those conditions. No way was it more than a day.
  15. Channel4s-JonSnow

    [Poll] How would you rate episode 706?

    I wouldn't even score the episode highly on production values or action, so it loses out there too. You can occasionally sway me and I'll forget the bad plotting if the scenes are well directed or beautiful, but apart from some nice landscape shots I can't say that about this episode. The action itself wasn't even close to Hardhome levels , everything was directed in a very safe, standard manner. There were very few epic or interestingly framed shots. It was below average even on those terms