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  1. I began reading these books when the show came out and like every one else here got quite involved with them. My belief, my personal belief was that that this story was about the restoration of house Targaryen (the high fantasy trope of the return of the king/queen) but it appears the story is about the extinction of said house and more profound GRRM is actually writing about the end of a civilization, the Valyrians. When Dany dies so will the the last vestige of old Valyria. His writing all that Targ history is also a record of how the people of old Valyria were. It reminds me of Bernado Bertolucci film of the last emperor a (albeit romantacised) story of the last man to be emperor of a kingdom that was thousands of years old. When he died that was the end of that part of Chinese history and Chinas connection to it mearly becomes academic. Old Valyria finally becomes just a page in fictional history, like the real world histories of the Minoans, the Maya, Aztecs, et al. At some point there would of been the last Mayan ruler, the last Aztec ruler and so on watching as there world fades away. Is that bittersweet or heart breaking? Honestly I'm in two minds about whether I will read the future books if this is the case. (just peruse the synopsis) It's not quite what I am looking for in a story. I feel mislead.
  2. My thinking is Danys child inherits the throne (I like the symetry). I'm sure GRRM won't discard all the tropes of hight fantasy - some are just plain logical. Imagine if it mirrors the sort of circumstance of Ned and Lyannas "Promise me Ned" Dany makes Jon promise her that her child will sit the iron throne, which means Jon can not claim the throne on her passing. The pressure for king Jon to remarry would be over whelming and of course his new wife would want her children to inherit the throne not Danys child so Jon goes into exile to prevent any complications for said child? It also evokes the symbolism of Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa only Light bringer brought forth is a baby not a sword.
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    How would you have ended it?

    I've not watched the last episode I lost faith in episode five but there is no avoiding the imagery and memes for the last episode and of course listening to various youtube vloggers (a think thats a word?) clearly indicate I haven't missed anything. It's apparent that virtually all the characters got happy endings which is a little obtuse. It gives them no where to go. Better endings are open endings where it is clear other events are rolling out. Once they lost sight of the books they should of made the decision to plough their own field rather that try adding GRRM character conclusions to the show. Apologies for what your about to read. So, my fan fiction for the show? Obviously Cersei remains the principle human villian. (at present.) The knight king story still finishes in episode three (I'm sticking to their six episode wrap up palooza.) Jamie dies here, I envision a replay of the tower of joy sequence but now with the knight kings minions being the same number as Neds forces and Jon, Jamie and Brienne being the kings gaurd. The Minions stand between Jon Brienne and Jamie and entrance to the Gods wood where the night king is heading towards Bran. The fight is not onesided the Nk minions give a good as they get but begin to fall to valerian steel . Alas Jamie falls protecting a injured Brienne leaving Jon to face the few remaining NK minions. It is not looking good for him. (in the skys above Dany fight the undead Viserion we cut back and forth) In the Gods wood Bran is about to get ganked by the NK when Arya does her thing. Oh and Melisandre doesn't die, though it looks like Davos has those plans. Next episode open with the funeral pyre sequence as before but after that we cut to Kings landing where news of the victory in the north has arrived. Cersei hears only that Jamie is dead and she SNAPS. Suddenly she is accusing her small council of giving her the wrong advice why did they tell her to hold her forces back and not to participate in the great war? her brother would still be alive. I picture the scene where Cersei has Qyburn by the hair as she is screaming at him - spittle flying from her lips and all he can do is appologise even though we all know it was always her decision but behind her looms the mountain who will mash your head like a rotten potato if the queens says so. Cersei demands Qyburn begin the next stage of defence. Qyburn agrees meekly as the mountain inches forward. The next scene. The Riverlands. The skys are overcast windy on one side of a river we see a host of banners, Riverland banners buffeted in the winds all the great houses of the Riverlands are amassed as if ready to hold back a storm. Across the river - before we see them we hear dragons screeching as the combined banners of the north and Targaryen forces come into view. It begins to rain - its light at first barely visable. Dany and Jon ride at the front of their host. They unmount at the rivers edge. On the other side Edmure (& other Lords) start to cross the shallow part of the river their horses whiny at the sound of dragons above. For a beat Jon and Dany eye the riverlords before Dany dismounts followed by Jon. The Riverlords do the same. It's raining pretty heavy now as Edmure kneels before his queen and swears the fealty of the Riverlords. Behind Edmure the banners are lowered as if also bending the knee. A great cheer goes up as foot men from the north and river lands race into the river to embrace each other (A homage to the film El Cid) Back in Kings landing we have a scene of Qyburn speaking to some of his little children spies he gives one of them a scroll and tell them to run along now. Around him are great jars of wild fire. Next episode begins with a feast in Riverrun as the river lords fete their new queen. In a moment they have stolen for them selves Dany tells Jon she doesn't care if he is her relation and neither should he. They are Targaryens the blood of the dragon if he wants to press his claim then the great houses can call a council and they can choose. Jon say he will make no claim as far as he is concerned his father was Ned Stark the man who raised him to be the man he is. She is his queen for now and always. Varys and Tyrion seek them out(Has Varys been eaves dropping?) Varys has a a little scroll. The red keep has been booby trapped by Cersei. They can not use dragon fire to take the inner compound. This wars end will be bloody street to street fighting. Varys knows the secret ways in and out of the red keep he will take the hound and Arya into the red keep to prevent Cersei from doing this dastardy deed. Dany will take Yaras Iron Born loyalist and her dragons and the unsullied to the sea to fight Eurons Iron Born whilst the River Lords the Vale and whats left of the Dothraki mount a cavalry charge on the Golden Company the North men with the aid of the city watch (bribed by Qyburn) will enter the city and fight Lannister and Crown land Loyalist. Back in Kings landing there is tension between Euron and Cersei. Euron knows of the wild fire and goads Cersei about her lack of faith. Perhaps he should be king. The mountain lets his pressence be known. Cersei talks about where power lies and how easily it can be lost. If the dragon bitch thinks to fly her dragon into the red keep killing her will be worth it. (If I can't have it no one can.) Euron is more than cocky about their chances - there wil be no reason to destroy the red keep if anything the dragon queen will have to negotiate rather than fight street by street, maybe he thinks he will take two queens as wives after all he controls the seas. Back in Riverlands the great host is preparing to head south. Arya is saddling a horse when a familiar voice behind her says "A girl has responsibilities." She turns her head there is no sense of surprise, she gives a half moon smile. The host is shown in all its glory marching out - an ariel view of it snaking across the landscape. Two dragons swoop and play together above them. Dany, Jon and other comanders including Edmure (who really feels a need to prove his worth.) flank them. Back in Kings landing the mood is sombre. We see the people of the city, Qyburn move amongst them. He is not dressed as a maester but makes no effort to diguise his appearance. He listens to the grumbling, the Lannister forces and the Golden company they do not like each other. Officers speak about the lack of communication between the forces and the arrogance of the sell sword commanders. Preparation to secure the city is under way. The episode ends with this build up and a sense of comming doom. the fifth episode. The battle is already underway. One of those far away shots where all you see are dots on the oceant then the view begins to close in two dragons are providing cover for Danys ships to enter close combat with the iron born for hand to hand combat. Yara Greyjoy cheers on her men to fight and die well. The rocking of the waves makes it impossible for the iron fleets scorpions to get a shot at the dragons in fact they are useless. Ships ram each other as boarding parties of Targ loyalists storm the Iron Borns decks. Euron and Grey Worm engage in a fight that is bloody and visceral. Yara swings across on a rope kicking Euron in the face. Fists knives, gudgels the decks are just crowded with men in a savage brawl. In Kings landing the North men have entered the city via side entrances where the city watch have killed the Lannister gaurds. They fight street to street with the Lannisters it is a bloody affair. Here and there unfortunate civilians are getting caught up in the fighting. Jon and Tormund and some northern soldiers unfamiliar with the lay out of Kings landing find theselves in a cul de sac and are pinned in by Lannister forces Jon takes a wound before help arrives in the form of the civilian population who begin to turn on the Lannisters. In the red keep Varys leads Arya and Sandor into the map room where they find Qyburn, or at least they think its him his head is a pulp. They make short work of the queens guard Sandor grabs Arya and tells her to find as many people who may be hostages here and lead them out he will take care of the mad queen. Arya protest talks about her list. Sandor slaps her hard across her face swearing at her (with that word) and asks her is she still a child that she keeps a list. Be a woman he says and go fucking do your duty. Out at sea the Crown Land Iron Born are all but lost. Grey Worm and Yara lie dead amongst others as a really bloody and battered Euron his eye gouged from its socket takes one look around Grins like a mad man and leaps from the burning ship before a dragon swoops in with cleansing fire. Back in the red keep Sandor faces the Mountain who is gaurding the queens quarters. Its Glegainebowl. Two big fuckers rip into each other with daggers. It's a stab athon. The Hound stabbing the Mountain furiously in the face whilst the Mountain stabs Sandor over and over, inbetween the gaps in his armour. The Mountain goes down. Sandor is not long for this world. He breaks into the queens private chambers. It's over you mad (that word again) Cersei has a a large beaker of green liquid in her hand. Her tear filled eyes are full of hate. A Lion she says does not concern it self with the opinions of sheep. She dashes the beaker on the floor. Outside. Dany on Drogon sees the upper tiers of the red keep explode in green flame. It is falling in on its self. On the streets of Kings landing the Lannister forces see the war is done and begin to drop their swords. In the open field what's left of the Golden company blow their trumpets signaling surrender. Like a wave washing out the fighting slows to nothing. All we hear is the cries of the injured and the dyeing. Episode six. Dany lands inside Kings landing. It's almost a replay of the scene where the slaves called her mother. Here it is "my queen". My queen they cry out. Drogon roars keeping the crowds at bay as unsullied rush to flank her. The bells are ringing. Arya and Varys covered in ash are exiting at the partial ruined red keep followed by servants and other people who were in the red keep including Cersei hand maiden (the one with the short hair) It's done she thinks. No way Sandor escaped that. North men are seen hurry towards Danys position (difficult to miss the the noise of two dragons.) They bring news. Cut to field hospital. Tormund is besides him self. Ghost is nudgeing the still body of Jon Snow. Dany has tears in her eyes. He's dead. No says Tormund, the red witch she is at the rear of the vangaurd. With dragon flight Dany can get Melisandrei here post haste. Dany wiping tears from her eyes sweeps out of the tent and races towards Drogon. Some where at the back of the military train Melisandre sits in chains staring into a fire. (When she returned to the North Davos swore to execute her himself. I am destined to die in this land Lord Davos she had said. But not to day, the lord of light will decide my fate and I am but his servant.) Dany enters her tent and tells her of Jons death. She must bring him back. Mel tells Dany of the first time that Jon came back and his express wish not to be ressurected a second time. Dany cares not and demands as the queen that she brings back Jon. Mel agrees on the understanding that only death can pay for life. Dany has heard this before. The lives that Mel demands are the high septon and his senior priests. The lord of light will now guide the way for Westeros. Dany looks appalled. You want me to burn them with dragonfire? Cleanse them with Dragon fire says Mel, and with it House Targaryen and the lord of light will shine a light on this world anew. Dany a girl in love says yes and has Mel unchained. Davos arrives by horse having seen the dragon flying over head. He protest the priestess release but meakly. He has some idea as to why the queen wants the witch but is too afraid to ask after his friend. Back in Kings landing the high septon and priests of the faith of the seven are tied to make do pillars. Melisandre, to the gathered crowds begins to preach about the lord of light and the power of those who follow him (she means Dany of course who resents being used that way) This is the power of the true god. Dracarys says Melisandre. Drogon does nothing. Dracarys shouts Dany and the dragon incinerates those tied to the pillars. The crowd are equall number appalled and enraptured. Already there are those ready to switch to the lord of light. Arya and Varys finally get from the red keep to our current locale to see what has happened. Varys is appalled by the possibilty that the red witch may develop a power base here. He knows the threat fanatics pose. Tormund informs Arya of Jons death and the preparations that are being made to ressurect him again. She protest that he wouldn't want that but is prevented from interfering. That evening as the fires of kings landing still smoulder the red witch performs her ritual to bring Jon back. This time it goes with out a hitch and Jons breathes again. As Jon opens his eyes tears spill from Dany's as she calls him "my sun and stars." Varys stares at the red witch. She stares back with a knowing smile. (these two can not live together.) A fornight has passed since the battle. A make shift tent covers the front of the red keep. It is time for a coronation. The Lords of houses great and small have gathered in Kings landing. In the streets there appear to be more red priests. Jon is dressed in fine northern outfit. The Stark sigil is clear to see. He goes to see Dany in her make shift camp. She is having her hair done by Missendei. More braids are being added. (Cersei hand maid the one with short hair is also present now wearing a Targaryen broach) Dany asks all to leave so she can speak with Jon. Jon clenches his jaw. He holds back what he wants to say. The silence between them lingers. Dany breaks the silence We are the last of the Targaryens she says. Our right by birth is to sit .... I'm not a Targaryen Jon says. A Stark then? No. I am just a Snow. Dany goes to him. She embraces him. The dragon and the wolf. Her embrace is tighter than his. She feels his feelings for her are changing. You had no right to bring me back he says. Dany pulls away. Those people you burned for me. Jon is clearly torn by the truth of the price paid for his second ressurection. She said it was the only way. Only death pays for life. Dany puts her hand on her belly. Only death may pay for life. Jon realises what she means but it gives him no joy. The lack of Jons reaction to her news upsets her, she feels angry. I'm leaving after the coronation. I have not given you permission to leave. The Lady of Winterfell has asked me to escort the freefolk back past the wall, to restore the northern forces. To deal with a certain lord who refused the call. You are the warden of the north. I have relinquished that title. Sansa .... Sansa? I decide who will be my warden Lord Snow. I am the queen. You are my grace. There is silence between them. So be it she says. Dany feels hurt but doesn'y want to push it she will bring him back to her. There is a cough at the tent entrance, it's Missendei. It is time. Under the make shift tent Dany sits on the iron throne that has been dragged from the ruins for this day. All the living Starks are in attendence. Bran is wearing a Maesters robe. The Citadel will take good care of him and he will be of such great value to the maesters. (and vice versa - the three eyed crow has his own agenda) Dany is crowned to great fan fare and rises to give a speech. But it is not a speech of consolation or of mending fences. She speaks of Conquest and fire and blood of breaking the wheel to remake it in this new world. The red god has shown her the light and must illuminate the faces of everybody from Southros to the free cities of Essos. And with her great military comander and consort Jon Snow they will conqer the world. The crowd erupts with shouts of Loyalty and praise. Jon is taken aback. His plans to go north now unclear. He is stunned as the ladies and lords of the houses of Westeros cheer and rave with enthusiasm. Bran sitting next to Jon says. You'll be fighting her wars for ever Lord Snow. Jon Snow looks at Dany who just returns his gaze with that same look she had when she stepped out of the burning hut after killing all the khals. This isn't over. Stories never are. You know this was quite cathartic. Well just watched the Deadwood movie. It appears I have the right of it. Stories don't have to have full stop endings to be satisfying.
  4. So one of the tinfoil theories is that quaithe is Sheeara Seastar and if Bran is now possesed of Brynden Bloodraven have these two lovers just been using everyone to get back to each other? That would be soap opera level crazy.
  5. If Dany dies I still think it's going to child related. A breached birth or perhaps she gives birth but suffers postpartum depression which is misconstrued as madness (in that day and age) and trys to harm her own baby or others in her paranoia and delusional state. Considering how many awful characters there have been in the books and we still don't know what Euron will get up to. Just how tyranical could dany be in the books? (Destroying Kings landing? Surely that will be the work or Jon Conington with his grey scale induced madness who will be put down by the pretender Aegon who loves him as a father.)
  6. Arya going west of Westeros yeah because an 11 year is going to comand a ship and Bran what is he 9 or 10 going to untagle himself from his weirwood throne and be dragged back passed the wall. Have you read the books?
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    Glad that’s over.

    Viserys was mad Dany was mad? Don't think so. Show thing - not a book thing.
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    Books vs Show: How much difference?

    On a side note I think Jons true parentage will be something for the reader to deduce (have deduced) and Bran maybe but every pov character will remain oblivious to it. So if they rally to Jon while fearing or having suspicion of the other Targaryens the reader will have the delicious knowledge of Jon also being a Targ one every one has put their faith in.
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    Books vs Show: How much difference?

    Who thinks Dany goes mad in the books? I for one don't. George who won't even say whether Jon is dead or gravely injured most likely has told the show runners squat. Folks are just jumping to the conclusion that Dany goes mad because the the show runners decision to do that. Boy are you all going to be surprised in 10 to 15 years when a dream of spring comes out and the actual book finale is a reward for our literary investment.
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    [Poll] How would you rate episode 806?

    So I see this has another all time low score. Glad I have chosen not to watch the finale. My resolve will remain strong. Maybe in 20 years time. On now my friends and let us meet again for the Winds Of winter.
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    This ending is nothing but Bitter

    Thank you for this it never even occured to me to connect those dots. I do not believe for a minute Dany goes mad in the books, she may take extreme measures in slavers bay to deal with the pale mare (kill healthy people along will the sick) which may lead to exaggerated reports and propganda in Westeros that she is mad. If she dies in the books it's most likely in child birth. After all isn't this supposed to be about the Targaryen restoration.
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    Mourning Dany

    So George will have two mad queens in ASOAIF, I guess one will have to go sooner rather than later. Unless Dany isn't mad queen in the books just in the show. Consider all the subplots from the books that have been dropped for this to happen Aegon, Jon Conninton the Dornish etc. The faith millitant issue is still Cersei burden. I think Dany is the books will carve out a kingdom in Essos - but will be compelled to give aid to Westeros and she will be the one who decides which King sits the iron throne.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    I thought this was insightful. Sorry if its already been posted.
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    Title of the last episode

    Blood of the Dragon
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    Have people given up all hope?

    I guess most of the viewers will be dining on ashes come Sunday.
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    The Perfect Ending

    I would use the last episode to set up future confrontations but not play them out on screen. A confrontation between Jon and Dany would be a story for another day. Leaving it open ended (to the audience imagination) is going to be better than Jon kills Dany. David Chase had the right of it.
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    What if it wasn't real? that everything past the bells ringing.....

    I've decided the whole mad queen thing is the same trick they pulled with Arya and Sansa last season (that they hate each other). Dany will be able to justify vengeance on the Lannisters and the Crown Lands for not taking their forces North. This is what happens when you break faith with the Dragon. Jon may be angry and storm off back to the North but no shitty murder exile plot.
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    Daenerys has always been a killer

    Well I'm now in the denial phase so here I go. Dany did what Jamie warned Cersei would happen if they betrayed the pact to send the Crown Land forces to the North. Her punishing the people of Kings landing is just what Tywin Lannister would of done. What he did do to House Tarbeck and House Reyne. Is mad queen a misdirection? How can Jon killing Dany be a dream of spring?
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    This is all Jon’s fault

    Call me foolish but I'm begining to think Dany isn't going mad and we are being gaslighted into thinking that. Her actions in Kings landing was just to demonstrate the consequences of defying the new ruler of Westeros. This is her Dresden. A terrible act but one that will show the great houses who may quarrel with her position that there is only one opinion that matters. Hers. At least I hope this is the case.
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    Rant & Rave without Repercussion: Burn It All Edition

    I think the truth has always been that HBO held the show back for share holder investment reasons it could of easily been aired in late 2018.
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    How will they react to what happened?

    I doubt Dany would go back to Dragonstone. I think the ravens will fly and then Dany will see who bends the knee and who doesn't. After that show of power I assume fear will bind the great houses to her or against her and considering the North and Dorne have already sworn to her, with out Varys to conspire - that leaves ........ dun dun dah Sansa! Now will Tyrion be her Florian or her fool? I really think Dany may be able to make the aurgument that what she did was necessary. Tywin arguing with Tyrion about why be upset at the death of a few hundred wedding guest if it saved thousands on a battle field. So what would she need to do to demonstrate mental instability particularly to Jon. Just Saying she will Kill Sansa isn't a sign of madness if Sansa is proven to be conspiring against her. Sansa bending the knee isn't the issue Jon is Warden of the North, so Why will Jon (if) kill her?
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    Who's left to marry Sansa

    She might hate the idea, but Sansa will need to marry again but who is left? She wants the north so will likely have to take a northern lord to husband - they will want her to marry a northern lord. She can not be betrothed to Robin Arryn that would take her to the Vale, so she needs a husband to come to her. Now a possible catch is Gendry. No hold on put your ales down before you spill them. Wouldn't marrying the storm lord take her to the storm lands? Presently he is just a pretender to that title. The same way that Randyl Tarly stated Dany could not send him to the wall she is not his queen, who ever holds the storm lands can deny the base born Gendry that title so why bother with that trouble when he could marry Sansa and as he is a Waters the children can take Stark as their name.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 805 Discussion

    I had a thought how they could of handled this if they had played things out differently. Going back to s7 Dany arrives at Dragonstone and with the Dornish and Tyrells sets about laying seige to Kings Landing. One reason or another Missendie and Olena are captured by the Crown lands and the whole execution thing which triggers Dany to lay waste to Kings Landing occurs. She decides she will rule through fear. Ravens are sent. Enter Jon Snow arriving from the North not to bend the knee as demanded but to tell of the threat of the others. He sees the appalling devastation that Dany and her three Dragons have wrought but puts it aside because there are greater concerns afoot. They think her the man queen but they need her. Dany aggrees to go North to fight the others (she doesn't believe in them but it will allow her to entrench her forces beyond the neck) During this march Dany decides Jon will be her chosen consort. The threat from beyond the wall is devasting and Dany realises what her true purpose is and her ruthless streak comes in handy when sending her forces to face this fearfull onslaught. Night King is destroyed - Varys whispers learns of Jons truth and Dany position feels threatend by this King in the North she triggers another act of violence that forces Jon to realise he must make a counter claim for the throne. Yadda Yadda Yadda Bloody battle Dany dies a flawed heroine.
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    What will Jon do?

    You bet your ass I will! But I am so going to do all the spoilers I find before hand and dull my expectation to the point that Jon killing dany for what ever reason will be meh. Do you know what I wanted for this show. I wanted to feel like the viewers of the Truman Show where its edge of the seat stuff as he looks to escape the show crators and then the triumphant exaltation of that aduience when he does just that - followed by a pause to gather myself before casually jumping channels wondering what else is on. That's what I wanted.
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    Rant & Rave without Repercussion: Burn It All Edition

    It appears that the discussion thread is as equally critical as the rant and rave thread thus episode.
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