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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    When Ned meets Gendry at Tobho Mott's forge in A Game of Thrones, it is describes thus: The master called over a tall lad about Robb's age (Eddard VI in A Game of Thrones) Given that Jon and Robb - who we know were conceived during the Rebellion - are said to be of an age (Bran I in A Game of Thrones), the likelihood is that Gendry was also conceived around this time. If we add that to the story of Bella, who Arya and Gendry encounter in Stoney Sept in A Storm of Swords: "They say King Robert fucked my mother when he hid here, back before the battle. Not that he didn't have all the other girls too, but Leslyn says he liked my ma the best." The girl did have hair like the old king's, Arya thought; a great thick mop of it, as black as coal. That doesn't mean anything, though. Gendry has the same kind of hair too. Lots of people have black hair. (Arya V in A Storm of Swords) It becomes clear that not only has Robert produced all the bastards we know him to have, while he claims repeatedly to have fought to get Lyanna back during the Rebellion (and Bran reiterates this in his final A Game of Thrones chapter when telling Osha about Lyanna) he was simultaneously fathering multiple children on multiple women. It never stuck in my mind just how much he was digging for buried treasure, as the Night's Watch would say, while he was - in his mind - fighting to get Lyanna back. It shows as well, I think, the extent to which he was lying to himself about how different his life would be had Lyanna lived. More proof that she had Robert's measure far more than Ned did in this regard! "Robert will never keep to one bed," Lyanna had told him at Winterfell, on the night long ago when their father had promised her hand to the young Lord of Storm's End. "I hear he has gotten a child on some girl in the Vale." Ned had held the babe in his arms; he could scarcely deny her, nor would he lie to his sister, but he had assured her that what Robert did before their betrothal was of no matter, that he was a good man and true who would love her with all his heart. Lyanna had only smiled. "Love is sweet, dearest Ned, but it cannot change a man's nature." (Eddard IX in A Game of Thrones)
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Well, we don't know for sure what Rhaegar's motives were at this point. As such, I don't think we can make any assumptions on how Jon would react to anything prophecy related. That said, I tend to think learning the truth of his parentage would be bittersweet for Jon. This is what Jon thinks in AGoT: There was no place for him in Winterfell, no place in King's Landing either. Even his own mother had not had a place for him. The thought of her made him sad. He wondered who she had been, what she had looked like, why his father had left her. Because she was a whore or an adulteress, fool. Something dark and dishonorable, or else why was Lord Eddard too ashamed to speak of her? (Jon V in Thrones) Finding out Lyanna was his mother would fill a hole that exists in Jon's life and in his own sense of identity. He needs to understand that Ned didn't speak of his mother not because he was ashamed of her, but because he loved her too much. It was too painful for him to talk about her in any real detail. That Lyanna is his mother would be the sweet part. The bitter pill for Jon to swallow will be the consequences of Lyanna being identified as his mother - Ned Stark is not his biological father. And I think Jon will find that a lot harder to deal with than finding out about Lyanna. Jon's entire sense of self is based upon him being Ned Stark's son, and his actions are about proving himself worthy of being called Ned Stark's son. Jon put his heels into his horse and broke into a gallop, racing down the kingsroad, as if to outrun his doubts. Jon was not afraid of death, but he did not want to die like that, trussed and bound and beheaded like a common brigand. If he must perish, let it be with a sword in his hand, fighting his father's killers. He was no true Stark, had never been one … but he could die like one. Let them say that Eddard Stark had fathered four sons, not three. (Jon IX in Thrones) In part, I think, because Jon has never known who his mother is, he has built an identity around being a son of Ned Stark, and it will hit him hard when he finds out that who he is is based on a lie. A lie that Ned told to protect him and ensure that he lived, but a lie nonetheless. Ygritte was right - Jon knew nothing, least of all who he really is. It will be difficult for him to accept any man than isn't Ned Stark as his father. And to Jon, I think that regardless of biology, Ned Stark will remain his father for the rest of his life. It may not have been Ned that impregnated Jon's mother, but he clothed and fed Jon; he raised him; he put a sword in his hand and saw that he learned how to fight; he taught Jon the meaning of honor and justice; he treated Jon as if he were his son. To Jon, Ned Stark will always be his father - Rhaegar a mere biological fact.
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    [Spoilers] EP601

    The thought mostly came to me as a result of the thematic parallels between Jon's stabbing and the Red Wedding (and it was an episode or two after the RW that Bran told Meera and Jojen this story) - for example, the howling of trapped direwolves, the concept of oathbreaking (Thorne believing Jon was an oathbreaker for saving the wildlings and Walder Frey believing the same of Robb for marrying Talisa) and the traitorous behavior (Roose stabbing Robb and Olly stabbing Jon). I'm probably looking far too much into it!!
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    [Spoilers] EP601

    Interesting thought regarding Davos - he is not a brother of the Night's Watch, but a guest at Castle Black (albeit one that appears to Thorne to have sided with those opposed to him and his decision to kill Jon). Accordingly, Thorne states that he is willing to allow Davos to leave Castle Black, and will even provide him with a horse to enable him to travel southwards. I may be reading far too much into this, but as I have recently re-read the books in preparation for the start of the season, Thorne's offer of a horse sounded very much like a guest gift. In Dance, Wyman Manderly speaks at Winterfell of guest giving, the ancient practice of a host providing his departing guests with a gift to signify that their host-guest relationship had come to an end (and thus the departing guest was no longer protected by guest right). Similarly, were Davos to be given such a gift, he would no longer have the same protection and Thorne could kill him (and prevent him taking south full details of what happened at Castle Black) without violating guest right. Thorne is not a northerner, but he is a man wholly loyal to the history and traditions of the Night's Watch - histories and traditions he says he believes he was defending by murdering Jon. The Story of the Rat Cook, set at the Nightfort and mentioned in the show when Bran and co. passed through there, is one that Thorne should know, if he is as knowledgeable about the Watch as he claims to be.
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    [Spoilers] EP601

    This pretty much sums up how I felt about the Dornish arc. The rest, I did enjoy, however - particularly the northern arcs.
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    [TWOW Spoilers] Alayne I, v. 3

    It does concern me sometimes that Myranda is much more perceptive than Sansa realizes. She is careful, but I think not careful enough. It wouldn't surprise me if - partly to test her theory and partly for spite - when Jon's stabbing becomes widely known in Westeros, Myranda shoves it in Sansa's face to get a reaction. This knowledge is also something that might push Sansa more into the persona of Alayne as Sansa loses yet another family member; I do worry about how much she is losing her identity as Sansa Stark and becoming Alayne Stone. Alternatively, I am assuming that the marriage of Ramsay and 'Arya Stark' will become widely known soon. Again, I think that is something Myranda might throw at her to get a reaction.
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    [TWOW Spoilers] Alayne I, v. 3

    It is an interesting inclusion - particularly when Myranda has pointedly remarked in Feast that Ned Stark's bastard son has now been appointed Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and it was mentioned in the same book that Yohn Royce had encountered Sansa at Winterfell when he escorted Ser Waymar to Castle Black (and met her again in King's Landing at the Hand's Tourney). I am not sure how closely or distantly Dolorous Edd is related to the Andrew Tollett that Alayne dances with, but this further link to the Night's Watch has me even more convinced than before that her blurting out Jon's name could prove to be significant.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    This quote from just before the one above hints at it: Many men fathered bastards. Catelyn had grown up with that knowledge. It came as no surprise to her, in the first year of her marriage, to learn that Ned had fathered a child on some girl chance met on campaign. He had a man's needs, after all, and they had spent that year apart, Ned off at war in the south while she remained safe in her father's castle at Riverrun. Her thoughts were more of Robb, the infant at her breast, than of the husband she scarcely knew. He was welcome to whatever solace he might find between battles. And if his seed quickened, she expected he would see to the child's needs. (Catelyn II in A Game of Thrones) It is implied from her thoughts that she believed Jon to have been conceived when he went south to fight after their wedding, while she remained at Riverrun.
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    Which new sample chapter do you want most?

    I like the idea of the Aeron chapter - it has been sold to us as one that, I think, would give us more background to the Greyjoys and to the internal family politics in Pyke (I also want it as a sort of point of comparison between what Egg says about Aerion Brightflame and Euron's treatment of Aeron). That said, I find myself more and more wanting - and I am not sure I can believe it myself! - a JonCon chapter. I want to see his perspective of Arianne and her troop, how his greyscale is progressing, and to find out more about the Golden Company. I want to see them at work, and to try and get an idea of just who these 'friends in the Reach' are. Also, I want to see if Aurane Waters, the Pirate King, has picked up any members of the Golden Company and, if so, what he has done with them - ransomed them back, held onto them to be sold as slaves, or joined Team Aegon?
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