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  1. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    The Dayne's named their heir after Ned Stark, and he shared a wet nurse with Jon. They probably wouldn't know each other before the tower of Joy, and Ned was responsible for Arthur's death.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    We are told Wylla was a commoner, so we know she isn't a Manderly. Lots of W Frey names, and other houses too.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    We don't know that Ned built the cairns the day of the fight. He could have taken a baby and Dawn to Starfall and came back. But if he was in a hurry, tearing down the tower is what would take the time, the cairns could be as simple as roughly diving the remains of the tower on top of the dead bodies. Something is definitely weird, Ned didn't have an obvious reason to demolish the tower, and should have returned the bodies or bones home as expected.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    We've discussed Robert as Jon's father, but I just don't see it. There isn't much evidence in the text, and the two seem to be as far apart personality wise as possible. I picture Rhaegar as very much like Jon, although we never got his POV, and very few POVs from characters who knew him directly, so his personality could be anything. Wylla kinda looks and sounds like a combo of “why” and “Lyanna”, but we know Wylla is a 'real' person and Edric Dayne's wetnurse, not people speaking in code about Jon's mother. Of course GRRM could have picked the name as a hint, but I'd assume authors go out of their way to avoid readers making that sort of inference. I will never know why JRRT chose to name a character 'Saruman' and then try to surprise us that he is on Sauron's side. Sam having no hair color description IMO rules out any possibility of him having an unusual hair color. How lame would it be if GRRM tried to surprise us that Sam had Rhaegar's flowing silver and gold locks and no one noticed? Sam is a tribute to Samwise Gamgee and as close a character to GRRM being in his own novels as we can get. He might be important or do great things, but it would completely defeat his character building if he had a special bloodline or other 'God-given' abilities. GRRM isn't going to write himself into his own novels as superman to come save the day. I'd love to see more speculation on the connection between House Dayne and Starfall, this hasn't been discussed much. The only fact we are certain of is Ned played a part in Arthur's death, and that certainly doesn't explain why these houses would be close friends. I keep coming back to how much GRRM mentions children playing in the water gardens and feel at least one of our children the right age had to be there. Lyanna was described as having more of the North than Ned, which explains this in Jon if she was his mother, regardless of Jon's father. I've said it before, but we've seen lots of speculation on Jon's parents' identity - so much so I doubt anyone can come up with anything that is both new and plausible. But no one else has speculated on why it is important - and we know it is important. If Jon's parents were both Starks, we've had that happen before and it doesn't make Jon special. A Targaryen or Dayne would be the first time intermarrying with House Stark. It is semi-cannon, but we had "The Pact of Ice and Fire" which promised a Targaryen princess to House Stark, and are told that never happened. To me, this is hinting about something special from both these blood lines coming together. House Targaryen is the only bloodline we've seen definite proof of having magical powers. I don't mind jumping around. I'd like to see us touch on new ideas, and that has been happening less and less.
  5. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    We see various elements associated with the WW, cold, winter, night and death. Are all these connected features of the same side? It does seem odd the Nights watch wears black. I know this has been discussed before, but most of that discussion centered on why they don't wear white. If they are associated with fire and warmth, why not wear red? We have another force associated with death, the faceless men. Has anyone considered their possible connections to the WW?
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    My take is both the Others and Dragons are ancient enemies but separate threats each capable of destroying Westerous alone or in their battle. Jon is the prophesied hero born of both blood lines destined to defeat evil and set the world right. But now Jon is dead and unJon isn't the same and becomes more of a threat himself.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Danaerys is being set up as the fire side. Her enemy is going to be the ice side, and probably a character we know and it won't be Jon if J=R+L. The Others obviously are associated with ice, but also with death. Bran and Arya are both associated with death as well. I am not sure how that fits as no characters are associated with life. Dany might be set up as a messiah, but I think she and her dragons will prove to be more of a threat than salvation. The mummers version is very clear about a side of good versus a side of evil, which is exactly the opposite of what I expect from GRRM.
  8. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Interestingly, Dayne does not really fit the naming pattern GRRM gives. It is simple, but not at all descriptive.
  9. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    So not unequivocal, but deliberately misleading if the Dayne's traits are Valyrian, which is uncharacteristic of GRRM. If these were Valyrian traits, he'd either outright say so, or give a 'read on and find out' answer.
  10. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Ran Ashara Dayne is described as having violet eyes. Is this from a marriage to the Martells after Daeron II's sister married into that line, thus giving them some Targaryen features? From other Valyrian descendants? And, um, mind telling us the Dayne banner (emblem and field)? The Sword of the Morning and his sister has caught my imagination. George_RR_Martin I would have to consult my notes to tell you the Dayne arms. Offhand I don't recall. As for the violet eyes . . .look, Elizabeth Taylor has violet eyes, and she's not of Valyrian descent (that I know). Nor is she related to Aegon the Conquerer. Many Swedes have blue eyes, but not all those with blue eyes are Swedes, and not all Swedes have blue eyes. The same confusions exist in the 7 Kingdoms. Ran So many banners, I was shooting in the dark. And I was actually arguingthat she was a Liz Taylor type. Thanks. George_RR_Martin If you want to figure out a family's descent, the names are a better clue than the eyes. Houses descended from the First Men tend to have simple short names, often descriptive. Stark. Reed. Flint. Tallhart (tall hart). Etc. The Valyrian names are fairly distinct are well: The "ae" usage usually suggests a Valyrian in the family tree. The Andal names are . . . well, neith Stark nor Targaryen, if that makes sense. Lannister. Arryn. Tyrell. Etc. Of course, you also need to remember that there have been hundreds and in some cases thousands of years of interbreeding, so hardly anyone is pure Andal or First Man.
  11. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Rhaegar was fire, Lyanna was ice, Jon would be equally both.
  12. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    My theory has been that Dayne, Targaryen and Stark families all came from elsewhere, probably Asshai. The Targaryens preserved their looks by incest, the Daynes somewhat incidentally, and the Starks look very different from intermarrying heavily with the First Men. Suppose Starks and Targaryens fought each other long ago, which is what threw off the seasons. Starks are ice and Targaryens are fire. This gives relevance to J=R+L as Jon would be decended from both bloodlines and the person to set everything right, it isn't just his backstory and otherwise irrelevant to the plot.
  13. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    A reasonable thought from the text, but GRRM has been clear in interviews that house Dayne has no Targaryen blood.
  14. Brad Stark

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    So far, we haven't seen anything to suggest the sword is literally like The Sword in the Stone. It is carried by a worthy man by convention, not by requirement. And the number of times we've seen Arthur associated with pissing, he may not have been so worthy. Which brings up a good point, why wouldn't Gerold Dayne claim it? If he was half as bad a person as he pretends to be, he'd either think he's worthy or just not care. Jon is not a character I connected to the sword, just because even the most tin foiled theories don't suggest he's a Dayne. But he does have the skill.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Other than GRRM's obsession with the Targaryens, this makes a lot of sense. Dany probably has Dayne blood on her mother's side. We do have an apparent contradiction with the Daynes. The Targaryens' incest is to keep there blood pure and preserve their looks. But the Daynes don't commit incest and no one else in Dorne seems to share this look. Regarding Dawn, it could be the original Lightbringer, as many have suggested. But it could just be a clue that the Valyrian steel technology was in Westeros earlier, or both families came from somewhere else. GRRM said Dawn was similar to Valyrian steel in all ways except looks. But it might be superior. Gerold Dayne attributed Arthur's greatness more to the sword than his skill. And GRRM commented on Arthur being an equal to Barristan if they fought without Dawn, but he would have won easily with it. We don't see that level of power associated with the Valyrian steel blades. It seems obvious someone will claim Dawn and emerge as the new Sword of the Morning, but who? Gerold and Eddard Dayne seem most likely to me, but I'd like to see Dany, especially if she turns out to be Ashara's daughter. I just don't see her having enough sword skills.
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