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    “It should have been you.”

    I personally understood (and still understand) it to mean that had wished it happened to him because he had no mother to care about his death. Not just wishing him to die (or become comatose or paralyzed), but to signify how worthless his life was as a bastard. It was after I joined the forum that I realized others do not read it that way. I agree with this. Grief does not make us monsters, it just unleashes the demons we already carried inside. I think Ned was not a good liar, so he probably just avoided the whole situation by not talking about it. I agree that it did not help the situation at all. I do agree that she deeply cared about all her kids, but I also agree that she did not treat Arya very well. There was something about how Arya was treated that led both girls to believe Arya was bastard just like Jon. And I think it is telling that Arya takes that suspicion to Jon (the one treated differently) and Sansa takes it to Cat (the one treating one of the kids differently based on his baseborn status). Since we know Ned did not treat the boys differently and actually saw her dear sister in Arya, it must have been Cat. but that is just a suspicion. He had stayed away specifically for this reason: But this was NOT about Cat. This was about Jon saying goodbye to a dear brother, why should everything be about Cat?! Really?! Sansa is the girl that says this after Joffrey has already cut Mycah and is attacking Arya (Sansa's younger sister) with naked steal while she has only a piece of stick to defend herself: It is VERY clear to me why would Arya expect the worst from Sansa! A very good point. Somebody upthread used the words "understandable and forgivable" as if one leads to the other, which looking at the discussion here is definitely not true. I agree with this and also wanted to point out that while everyone is very fixated on the context relating to Cat's behavior towards Jon and blaming Ned about his decisions, there is a context surrounding Ned's frame of mind too. So, while the only thing that happened to Cat was that her pride was severed, Ned had come back from a war, having lost all (but one) of his family members in a span of a year, was forced (strategically by his mentor) to marry the fiance of his older brother (who hasn't let go of her crush on him after many years of happy marriage to Ned), and had witnessed the death of her sister and was carrying her body. He had brought a family member (his own bastard son) with him. That is so much trauma to have gone through but he actually never got any solace from his wife (not in these issues). Cat was not the biggest victim, only the pettiest.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Hi all, I haven't been around for a while and was reading Heresy 208 and something occurred to me. In GOT, when Othor tries to kill the LC of NW, he is still a brother of NW himself. so a brother will be killing LC in CB. At the end of ADWD that's what happens when Marsh and co. kill Jon. Maybe that is what the Others were planning all this time? Mormont never made it back to CB (or the wall) because the mutiny happened at Craster's Keep, so while he was killed by NW deserters, his blood did not spill in the wall and I was wondering if that is a catalyst for the magic of the wall coming undone.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Thank you
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    I haven't read the world book. Is there any information about Ned Stark's mother's death? When it happened, why, and how?
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    She was with him for a long while and he did nothing. But I see your point, I shouldn't be so sure. Thanks.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Well, I am not sure. But having Arya would have been a huge advantage, the least of which not being stuck with a fake one to draw legitimacy from. If he did recognize her, why would he let her go?
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Why didn't Roose Bolton recognize Arya in Harrenhal, given that she is supposed to have a very typical Stark look? I assumed it wasn't that pronounced, but Craster recognizes Jon as a Stark and I am assuming he sees fewer Starks than Roose.
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    The Puppets of Ice and Fire

    Have you looked into the epilogue of aDwD since then? Because it really is similar to the events you are describing especially prologue of aGOT, although it has some problems. I am only pasting the parts I find related here since it is a long passage: I have marked which part of the text goes with which part of the signs. There are some problems: This happens during the night, but so does aGOT Prologue. And there are mentions of stars. but there is the crimson cloak which could work for the color imagery. Then there is the big problem of two people dying and one person missing in the 3 vs. 7: Varys/Tyrion + half a dozen pale children are the 7 Maester Pycelle + Tywin/Kevan + Shae are the 3: I am combining this with what happened in the tower of the hand together as it would also add the image of tower long fallen (Cersei burned it). The reason I am merging Tyrion/Varys and Tywin/Kevan is because the text literally says so. I have underlined it. If we again go with aGOT prologue, Gared dies after everyone else. Shae dies before everyone else. It also really has the element of signalling for some form of ritual, since VArys (the maegi figure) half kills Kevan and signals the kids to finish the job, exactly like the aGOT prologue. I am reaching for the comet as Aegon being the "Red Messenger" conceptually. This ritual "births" Aegon as a Dragon I guess. I am not sure if this is good enough, but it does resemble some of the kings you mentioned in the OP. PS. I was so excited that forgot to say: Very very interesting read. Thanks for putting everything together
  9. Dany going crazy or ever making it to Westeros: I want her to clean up her mess (or just be killed by Drogon and let others clean her mess for her) and be judged and tormented for all the suffering she caused for the rest of her life (Not tortured, but she could be executed). Westeros will do more than fine without her. What were they doing in all those thousand years they had no Targs? They can continue doing that. I do not want her to save anything. Sansa neither becoming a queen nor having a brutal ending: A normal happy sort of life would be fine. Theon ending up as a sacrifice to someone: He had his share of pain, let him enjoy some love and happiness, and let him be heard for once. Tyrion never being truly happy or given the chance to beg forgiveness from Tysha: It could even be at his dying moment, mistaking someone else for Tysha (although I really want her to hear him tell her the truth even if she never forgives him, it helps the victims sometimes). Jon being actually dead and be resurrected: I really liked him as a normal human. I don't want another extremist in the story, don't be have enough of them already? Arya being an assassin and never having a chance to claim a normal life: I do not need to see a happy ending in the books, existence of a chance would be enough for me Davos losing another son: Just NO. LSH to never see any of her children again: I read here than fans say she is not Cat anymore (based on a SSM apparently), if that is the case then I do not care. I so passionately hated Cat the whole time I read her story, but her chapter in RedWedding was the only time I actually talked to the books saying: "Close your eyes, close your eyes" (which is really stupid, I know). Witnessing your son being brutally murdered in front of you is just too much. Someone should really set her free.
  10. This is very interesting but not entirely fair. Most northern Lords are already weak and thanks to the war and Lannister/Frey/Bolton policies have lost faith in each other. This is a much dirtier world than the world where aGOT starts in. Standing up to Ramsey or Roose makes little sense if they cannot follow through by completely smashing them or saving fArya, it will just put more people in danger of being tortured by them. I think in some sense it also shows that both corruption and honor are group behaviors. Honor breeds honor, corruption breeds corruption. In a corrupted world, honorable keep losing power until they disappear into abyss. So, even if they want to do something about the whole situation, it cannot be a spur of moment act. As for the OP, I also find Ramsey ridiculously over the top, and his violence hard to read. Also, why do people keep putting "rape, torture, flaying, burning people alive, abuse (physical and psychological), child soldiers" in the same sentence with "incest"? How are they comparable really?!
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