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  1. The Fattest Leech

    Who is the 3EC?

    I believe Brynden Bloodraven Rivers is the three-eyed crow.
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    Who is the 3EC?

    Speaking for myself, I never used any fan forum until I joined here a few years ago. I enjoy the bits and pieces people talk about that I may have forgot, missed, or never knew. That makes me want to read more. In general I do think the main series of books can stand alone. The rest is Wavy Gravy Im sorry if this isn’t your experience.
  3. The Fattest Leech

    Who is the 3EC?

    Thirded. Great way to put it.
  4. The Fattest Leech

    Who is the 3EC?

    Only in the best, most helpful way possible I chuckle at myself now for past blunders.
  5. The Fattest Leech

    Who is the 3EC?

    I secret eyed the last bit. Sometimes it slips my mind that not everyone has been there yet.
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    Who is the 3EC?

    Euron. No, wait, Gilbert Farwynd. No, wait... Howland Reed. Hot Pie. Am I getting closer? Yes, just japing around . Serious talk now: I guess I would have to put in a vote that the 3EC is Brynden Bloodraven Rivers. Bran is in training to be the next Sea Lord, the next three-eyed crow. I do like the idea that three-eyed crow could just be a title for the old gods god/force/fifth element/whateve's. Maybe this is another case of different regional name for the same being? Funny story (no, it isn't). A long time ago in a forum far, far away, @Prince of the North (I believe) had to give me a few clouts in the ear, setting me straight on who...
  7. The Fattest Leech

    Who is the 3EC?

    Who? I checked the books and I couldn't find any 3 eyed raven
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    Who is the 3EC?

    There isn't. Except, based directly on works from GRRM in the past, what you claim here is categorically untrue. GRRM has used Morgan Le Fay, by name, in another story, and Melisandre is basically a rework of this same character with a name change. Over his own writing career, GRRM has developed and used a Bloodraven character that he likes to rework and reuse often, and I can tell you that large bit of inspiration for Lord Brynden Rivers is Lord Byron. But even still, GRRM is not rewriting Byron as a 1:1 character. I am not sure if you think GRRM is so unoriginal that he can't craft his own stories or not, because you often make it sound like GRRM is just repeatedly plagiarizing other authors at whim... and barely disguising it.
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    Poll: Secret Stark Knights

    This is probably true in many ways. Remember when Ned was about to be beheaded and what he says vs what he means... A Game of Thrones - Arya V Her father raised his voice and began again. "I am Eddard Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Hand of the King," he said more loudly, his voice carrying across the plaza, "and I come before you to confess my treason in the sight of gods and men." "NO," Arya whimpered. Below her, the crowd began to scream and shout. Taunts and obscenities filled the air. Sansa had hidden her face in her hands. Her father raised his voice still higher, straining to be heard. "I betrayed the faith of my king and the trust of my friend, Robert," he shouted. "I swore to defend and protect his children, yet before his blood was cold, I plotted to depose and murder his son and seize the throne for myself. Let the High Septon and Baelor the Beloved and the Seven bear witness to the truth of what I say: Joffrey Baratheon is the one true heir to the Iron Throne, and by the grace of all the gods, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm."
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    Which minor houses do you want to see more of?

    Flints, Wull, Norrey. Dayne. The Blackmont's because WTF with that sigil? We have a tad skosh bit of their history, but I'd like to know more. Both Farwynd's Some Skaggossi. Not sure I remember their names at this particular moment, but yeah, that one.
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    Poll: Secret Stark Knights

    No, I do not think there was any secret converting to the Faith of Seven by any old godders. As far as knighthood goes, wordplay aside or in addition to, I don't know that knighthood is restricted to the Andals for origin. As with the NW vows, the Andals could be twisting the meaning and that is where we get the in-universe struggle between being a "true knight" and just "following orders". We see that same darned thing happening with the Night's Watch. Doing what is right, or just following orders like a mouth breather. First Man origin character John the Oak seems to be mentioned as the first knight. This created house Oakhert, as in heart tree. I posted in another thread: ... as far as knighthood, or at least the chivalry aspects to it and the moral code that "true knights" should follow, I don't know if that is an Andal specific or Andal only trait. What we are given in the books about knights seems to come from first men origins. I think Bran asking to be a knight has many layers... like an onion . Bran wants to be a knight, but he can't because of his legs, but he will be a knight of the mind. Be careful what you wish for in a GRRM story. You just might get it. Bran and Jon are continuing to reenact history (to a degree). I do think that in order for humanity to not just survive, but to learn better and rebuild better, there will be some merges of knowledge and principles = societal evolution? Dunno. Just a guess. The World of Ice and Fire - The Reach: Garth Greenhand Many of the more primitive peoples of the earth worship a fertility god or goddess, and Garth Greenhand has much and more in common with these deities. It was Garth who first taught men to farm, it is said. Before him, all men were hunters and gatherers, rootless wanderers forever in search of sustenance, until Garth gave them the gift of seed and showed them how to plant and sow, how to raise crops and reap the harvest. (In some tales, he tried to teach the elder races as well, but the giants roared at him and pelted him with boulders, whilst the children laughed and told him that the gods of the wood provided for all their needs). Where he walked, farms and villages and orchards sprouted up behind him. About his shoulders was slung a canvas bag, heavy with seed, which he scattered as he went along. As befits a god, his bag was inexhaustible; within were seeds for all the world's trees and grains and fruits and flowers. <b>John the Oak</b>, the First Knight, who brought chivalry to Westeros (a huge man, all agree, eight feet tall in some tales, ten or twelve feet tall in others, sired by Garth Greenhand on a giantess). His own descendants became the Oakhearts of Old Oak. A Game of Thrones - Bran VI Broken, Bran thought bitterly as he clutched his knife. Is that what he was now? Bran the Broken? "I don't want to be broken," he whispered fiercely to Maester Luwin, who'd been seated to his right. "I want to be a knight." "There are some who call my order the knights of the mind," Luwin replied. "You are a surpassing clever boy when you work at it, Bran. Have you ever thought that you might wear a maester's chain? There is no limit to what you might learn." "I want to learn magic," Bran told him. "The crow promised that I would fly."
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    Poll: Secret Stark Knights

    Maybe this? A Game of Thrones - Catelyn X She was no stranger to waiting, after all. Her men had always made her wait. "Watch for me, little cat," her father would always tell her, when he rode off to court or fair or battle. And she would, standing patiently on the battlements of Riverrun as the waters of the Red Fork and the Tumblestone flowed by. He did not always come when he said he would, and days would ofttimes pass as Catelyn stood her vigil, peering out between crenels and through arrow loops until she caught a glimpse of Lord Hoster on his old brown gelding, trotting along the river-shore toward the landing. "Did you watch for me?" he'd ask when he bent to hug her. "Did you, little cat?" Brandon Stark had bid her wait as well. "I shall not be long, my lady," he had vowed. "We will be wed on my return." Yet when the day came at last, it was his brother Eddard who stood beside her in the sept. Ned had lingered scarcely a fortnight with his new bride before he too had ridden off to war with promises on his lips. At least he had left her with more than words; he had given her a son. Nine moons had waxed and waned, and Robb had been born in Riverrun while his father still warred in the south. She had brought him forth in blood and pain, not knowing whether Ned would ever see him. Her son. He had been so small … But there does seem to be a weirwood at Riverrun anyway... just to make things easy-peasey for us readers, amiright? A Game of Thrones - Catelyn XI It was what Ned would have done. He is his father's son as much as mine, I must remember. Oh, gods, Ned … She found Robb beneath the green canopy of leaves, surrounded by tall redwoods and great old elms, kneeling before the heart tree, a slender weirwood with a face more sad than fierce. His longsword was before him, the point thrust in the earth, his gloved hands clasped around the hilt. Around him others knelt: Greatjon Umber, Rickard Karstark, Maege Mormont, Galbart Glover, and more. Even Tytos Blackwood was among them, the great raven cloak fanned out behind him. These are the ones who keep the old gods, she realized. She asked herself what gods she kept these days, and could not find an answer. And it seems the sept is in the garden where the weirwood is... so a symbolic usurping or joining of sorts? A Clash of Kings - Catelyn VI I gave Brandon my favor to wear, and never comforted Petyr once after he was wounded, nor bid him farewell when Father sent him off. And when Brandon was murdered and Father told me I must wed his brother, I did so gladly, though I never saw Ned's face until our wedding day. I gave my maidenhood to this solemn stranger and sent him off to his war and his king and the woman who bore him his bastard, because I always did my duty. Her steps took her to the sept, a seven-sided sandstone temple set amidst her mother's gardens and filled with rainbow light. It was crowded when they entered; Catelyn was not alone in her need for prayer. She knelt before the painted marble image of the Warrior and lit a scented candle for Edmure and another for Robb off beyond the hills. Keep them safe and help them to victory, she prayed, and bring peace to the souls of the slain and comfort to those they leave behind. And all this talk of the Andals infiltrating customs to skew them as their own, or to minimize the old ways, etc, also seems to happen with the Night's Watch vows.
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    Does Asoiaf Have a True Protagonist? *SPOILERS*

    God bless all theorists, but ain't none of them is any better than *any other theorist, fancy microphone or not. (*almost any other theorist , we have our doozies on this forum) As to the main question: Does ASOIAF have a true protagonist? My thoughts are there will be, but it won't be clear until we read the words "The End". It is going to come down to an ultimate choice (<--- a major theme here), and what that choice does for the greater good, yadda yadda yadda. Grey decisions and characters along the way, but as GRRM says, some are very dark grey, some are mostly white with a little grey. Good or bad, a character is the sum of their parts, what they are made to be. We still have two books left and coins are in the air.
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    Does Asoiaf Have a True Protagonist? *SPOILERS*

    And you'll notice it is the same group of posters that do this over and over and over with the same repeating lines. They follow the teachings of their lord and savior Clifford Q Notes, because understanding the story as a whole can be bothersome.
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    No.
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