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  1. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well who knows? We're speculating at this point. Nothing in Friki's leaks state that she'll give them the kneel or die ultimatum, but perhaps that will come next episode. I imagine the following episode will primarily consist of Jaime's arrival, finding out Cersei's plan to betray them, the reactions to R+L=J, and the NK's arrival as a cliffhanger
  2. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well from Dany's perspective, that was the entire purpose of allowing the wight hunt to happen. This was discussed in 7x05. So I really can't see how she "hesitated". Yes, I'm interested in that as well. But again, I think you're being somewhat unfair.. anyone would be offended if they continuously were told they weren't wanted; it's not matter of "prizes". Spanish is my first language The link provided by @Ser Wun Wun is far closer to what Frikidoctor said. There's some minor translating errors in it, but it gets Jon's reply right. I can't agree that it was strategic from Sam's part. The leaks make it seem like he is unsettled, and Jon notices this and asks Sam what is up, which then prompts Sam to tell Jon what happened to his dad and brother. So it was "strategic" that D&D structured the reveal this way, yes, but it doesn't seem strategic from Sam's POV. It will probably be clearer once we see it for ourselves. As for the Heartsbane thing... we shall see, hopefully we get the leaks for that soon.
  3. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Nothing in the leaks states that Dany needs them to bend the knee. The Northern lords are upset Jon bent the knee to her. And lets not forget that Daenerys didn't ask for a "prize", she pledged to fight the NK no strings attached; Jon was the one who proceeded to bend the knee after that. Jon is also the one who made the whole thing public, as it apparently shocked Tyrion and Davos at the Dragonpit. In fairness, according to the leaks, Jon's response to Dany burning Sam's father and brother is actually that Dany is the queen and that she's in charge lol. Jon's response to the other stuff is mostly disbelief that Ned lied about his identity, to which Sam replies why he did it. Seems you might be getting too ahead of yourself... It makes sense for Same to like the idea of Jon as king, even if we were to completely disregard the Tarly incident, that's his best friend. We should continue to see how the story unfolds; we know from the trailer that Sam apparently gives Jorah Heartsbane to wield against the AOTD
  4. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I'm not claiming it isn't bad nor depressing. I'm simply questioning what it is Emilia meant by it. Is it sad/depressing because she's afraid about how Daenerys' ending will be received plot-wise? Or is it sad/depressing because she's trying to do the character justice acting-wise and this will be the last anyone sees of said character so she doesn't want to disappoint? In which case this quote would be relevant.. So yes, the quote isn't anything "positive" but the context is unclear. From everything I've seen thus far, she's only answered that question in the context of what it was like to film those final scenes, nothing about the scenes themselves. She has, however, implied that some of her favorites scenes may be in the coming season. So we'll see, I guess.
  5. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    It is unclear what the person conducting the interview asked.. The question that prompted Emilia's response is not in the cover story. Here's the entire paragraph and the following one I just don't see any definitive way to be able to tell what she meant. And the reason I brought up the GMA clip is exactly because she's directly asked specifically about her feelings about Daenerys' final scene, but as you state, she skillfully avoids that question, and instead answers with how it felt to film it. Thus far she has not given anything away. Thanks for posting. Just saw the teaser, it seems very similar to last years with Jon, Daenerys, and Cersei.
  6. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    As far as I'm aware she has never been quoted saying her character leaving a "bad taste" in the audience, and there's definitely no audio of it. The other quote about going out in "somewhat of daze" may be more telling, however, in some of her comments about Season 7 she genuinely sounded sad despite the worse thing to happen to her character being that she lost Viserion. So again, it's difficult to tell without any sort of projecting. The context in which the interviewer placed that quote in had to do with comedy/humor within Dany's character. She basically reiterated those same comments in her Good Morning America interview, but the context is more clear.
  7. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well that would also require us to assume that she's talking about her reaction to Dany's plot at the end. Which may not be the case because whenever she has been asked about Daenerys' final scene(s), she has dodged the question, and answered what it was like to film those scenes rather than her reaction to the scene(s) themselves. So even if Daenerys does "good" at the end, everything in that quote may still be true; it simply depends on which context Emilia meant it in. After all, she has also said this about filming the final season.
  8. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    He could be. But the show is not exactly known for having its characters act in a consistent manner. One second you have Daenerys allowing the people of Meereen to choose their own leaders and granting the Iron Islands independence, the next second you have her demanding people to submit to her.. But even in S7, the show had Dany seek out council from different leaders, whereas Jon never sought it out and simply did what he thought was right. It's difficult to tell what they'll have them do next season. If I were a betting man though, I'd wager that Daenerys will play a major role in whatever political structure Westeros ends up with. The Iron Throne, "Breaking the Wheel", and more recently succession are all things that have been heavily baked into her storyline, and something must come of it. I'd say that's almost as easy as guessing that Jon will be the one to ultimately kill the Night King but that's just me.
  9. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Of course she would, she's done it before. For example, last season she implied that Daenerys wouldn't be getting a romantic partner, but it turned out she did. It lead to headlines such as this She has, she was asked the same question in Good Morning America. She gave the same answer about it being heartbreaking and about her being an emotional mess, but as with the Vanity Fair interview, it is always in the context of what it was like for her to film it. https://youtu.be/MA9Y2oK_RQ0?t=268
  10. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    It does, thanks. I remember seeing the short summaries and the full 127 pg outline when they first leaked but I didn't think about downloading them. Fortunately, I have been able to get most of the leaked stuff from people who reshared it. Nice find! Yeah it makes sense for them being more accurate; the script pages that u/awayfortheladspart2 leaked were all from August as well, with the exception of one being from September. But yeah, thanks for confirming the information of your reddit post and for providing those screenshots.
  11. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well I remember people making that same argument when awayforthelads leaked the script page which had Jon saying "Thank you Dany". People were calling it faked by a shipper because of that, but it ended up being on the show. The summaries were not leaked by u/teamkhaleesi, they were simply sharing the files that "Mr. Smith" leaked from the HBO hack. Amongst the files, there were actor contracts and personal information (such as phone and address). Not really sure what the reddit user's name has to do with it.. For most of the season they're both leaders with their own sets of goals. Both of them want the other to see their objective as the most pressing thing. It'd be out of character for them to have those sort of moments. I believe prior to the season the show runners talked about how the audience just has to assume that these conversations happen offscreen. I think the scene is what it is. Meaning it exists as a romantic moment between the two characters and in them coming to an understanding of one another. Don't really think it's any deeper than that. Of course, but he's betting on the Northerners opinion of her to evolve just as his has. I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. But at the moment it's all we have, so.. I don't see how this is any "darker" than what we've seen of Dany on the show. But I will note that many of these quotes you're using are entirely decontextualized. For example, the Caligula part is about Tyrion and Varys hoping for more Caesar-like ruthlessness. This is Bronn teasing Tyrion (the outline heavily implies that Tyrion has romantic feelings for Daenerys). Reading this scene, it comes across as very flirty. It's quite cheesy that I'm glad they changed it. But the intent was for it to be a romantically charged scene. This scene is also supposed to have romantic implications, and it's definitely not written in a creepy manner. In fact, it's a follow up scene to the scene above this one. In that scene Jon offered to show her his scars and even calls her Dany. Again, another "romantic" scene. It describes Dany as having that look she gave Drogo when he said they were sailing for Westeros. This scene lacks context, but needless to say I disagree with your interpretation. Yes, this is to aid/direct Emilia, as in this scene she's supposed to show the "faintest smile" just before Drogon shows up. This is about Dany's speech in which she rallies the Dothraki. And Bender's words are correct, we should be roused by her speech and a bit horrified. He says she's not Hitler but has the power. Don't see anything wrong with those statements. As of right now, Jon has no reason not to fall in love with Dany. Perhaps when he sees her committing those dark acts or when he learns more about her prior actions. Corrections x2: She didn't want him to go (so she couldn't have possibly sent him on it) Dave Hill's quote highlights that Dany thinks she cannot continue to fight a war against Cersei, which is where the idea of a truce comes into play. I completely disagree. Gilly was apparently turned on that she was almost raped because immediately after she had sex with Sam. Talisa and Robb is hilariously bad and unbelievable. Dany is continuously raped by Drogo and falls in love with him when she gets to be on top? Ned and Cat is a relationship established before the shows beginning, can't say they had too many romantic scenes. Tyrion and Shae was never believable for me, the dynamics of their relationship is just completely off. In any case, I'm going back to lurking, as I'm afraid I won't have the time that I had today. I appreciate you taking the time to read and reply to my thoughts; I enjoyed reading yours. Good day to you!
  12. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Because that had already been agreed upon. Tyrion "risked" his life entering the city just to meet up with Jaime. Yes, in a way, you are correct but the manner in which it is written and displayed is quite shoddy. This is what writer Dave Hill has to say about that mission “Once they know the Army of the Dead is marching, it’s time to put up or shut up. She knows he’s honest — and is honest to a fault. She’s seen the cave. She can’t continue a war and still have Seven Kingdoms to rule after the war is done. Jon is not about to send others on a deadly mission that he wouldn’t shoulder himself. She’s gotten used to the technically-in-rebellion King in the North advising her. They’re both, in a way, cut from the same cloth — they’re both idealists. They both care about the people they govern, which makes them unique in Westeros. And they both feel the same weight of the crown. All that that draws her to him. He’s good hearted and would want to ‘break the wheel’ with her.” Well that is quite different than suggesting that there was "evidence" pointing towards it being faked. The episode summaries were all released though but they were quickly taken down. Here https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/6vy3fe/episode_7_detailed_overview_by_mrsmith_sent_by/dm4h7ud/ It's not a stretch to say shmedstark was able to see/download them. He does provide sample pics in his posts and even points out the number of pages there is. 127 pages for the "Preliminary Outline" and 31 pages from the episode summaries. And everything in his post lines up with what was leaked; I don't think he'd lie about that particular line. Besides, that line pretty accurately depicts what transpired on screen so I don't understand what we're arguing about in this case. And awayforthelads only leaked 6 script pages so I'm not sure why it'd show up there. He just mostly answered peoples questions. Yes that's what he thinks in 7x4, but as I said, his opinion on her evolved. So while he initially thought that his people would never support her, he is hopeful that their opinion of Daenerys will evolve just as his has. Which is what's stated in the script. Besides Jon & Ygritte, I can't really think of a well written romance in either books or show. Maybe Jaime & Brienne if it pans out. And yes that's possible, but I doubt it. Yes, but they are there to guide the cast and crew on how they're supposed to be filming/playing scenes. They are not meant for the general audience. Game of Thrones releases scripts that they submit for awards but those are altered. Sure, just like everyone is a hero from their own stories be it Jon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, the NK, Cersei, etc. Stannis was not in a position to ask for a ceasefire. He had just lost, and only had a small amount of men. Whereas Dany is in a position in which she could take King's Landing whenever she wants, so she's asking from a position of strength. But yes, Stannis deserves credit for aiding the Night's Watch. Well we'll have to see what happens. Perhaps Sansa will present a marriage option between Jon and Dany as that idea has already been instilled in her head. In seriousness, it was bad writing that no one suggested it in S7. But your scenario is a possibility. Dany does say that she's not headed north to conquer it, but rather to save it. Perhaps she'll put off asking for their fealty till after the war. Who knows. What is Dany's promise though? She promised him that they'll defeat the NK together, I don't see how anything she does since is her "breaking her promise". If we want to get real nitpicky, we could argue that Dany doesn't really give a timeframe.
  13. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    She did. And now they're all on their way North. Well classify it as bad writing if you want. The whole idea of the wight hunt makes them all look like morons. I'm pretty sure Jon will be surprised to find out Viserion was reanimated. You believe it it to be faked, but I'm not sure you can suggest there's "evidence" it's faked. I'm pretty sure it's not faked considering this persons track record. The cave scene is from episode 4, Jon's opinion on her evolved. Whether you think it was convincingly done is another manner. It being cheesy isn't really an argument, especially considering this is D&D we're talking about. And no, the scripts are not meant to mislead viewers. The scripts are not even mean't to be seen by viewers. They're given to the cast and crew in order for them to do their job. The scene is meant to filmed in a romantic ("cheesy") manner, which is what we got. It's a bit perfect now but fear not, there will be conflict. "Just as we're seeing these two people come together, we're hearing the information that will inevitably, if not tear them apart, at least cause real problems in their relationship," he says. "And she's his aunt. “It complicates everything on a political level, on a personal level, and it just makes everything that could’ve been so neat and kind of perfect for Jon and Dany and it really muddies the waters.” Well you're welcome to wonder. I've learned from Season 4/5 till now that it's usually best to take things the way they're presented to you. D&D are writing this for the general audience. Dany is capable of heroic actions, yes, but I wouldn't classify her as an outright hero. What she did in Slaver's Bay was of little benefit to her, particularly after she got the Unsullied. If memory serves right, she also had the ships she need to cross the Narrow Sea by 4x05. Yet she saw it all out. In any case, I'd say Dany falls somewhere in the middle. Her pledge to Jon comes before "he handed the North to her on a silver platter". And even then, she questions it by asking about what the Northerners will think. Dany doesn't even communicate this to her hand.
  14. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    They would have to go South regardless. Dany's entire army is situated there. Pretty sure Jon doesn't know about Viserion being risen from the dead. If h knew he would have mentioned it to Daenerys or someone (Davos?). Jon and co saw Viserion slip into the frozen lake, and at the Dragonpit he's asked if wights can swim, to which he says no. I think Bran is the only one who knows about Viserion at this point. And the scene you're talking about is this scene. Credit to u/shmedstark from r/asoiaf for going through the leaked scripts/summaries "Jon sees her beauty, strength, grief and pain and all push him to the realization that he loves her and he's thrown by the realization. Her fingers move on his hand and she likes the way it feels. A look between them acknowledges what almost just happened, she stares at him a moment longer, stands and leaves the cabin." Jon never wanted to be King. Pretty sure this is stated in the script. Don't know whether he believes Dany would do a better job or not. No that's silly. This is what the script says: He abdicates his claims of kingship, and pledges her his allegiance. Dany is shocked and amazed. What about the Northerners? How will they take it? Jon thinks they’ll understand. The ones who know him know he never really wanted to be king anyway. And the rest of them will come to see Dany for what she is: someone from the edge of the world, just like them. Someone who could have let them all die, but didn’t. And come on, this is significantly different from what Robb did. Dany has armies and dragons, whereas Talisa added nothing. Both Benjen and Daenerys saved him. That's the way it was shot, don't know what else to say. Again, here she is relying on Tyrion's knowledge of Cersei. She doesn't know her, but if Tyrion believes she can be convinced to at least have a temporary truce between them then she'll take it. It's probably the smart thing to do, but we, the audience, know that it's going to backfire. Seems Sansa was the one who was right about Cersei, and she should have been taken care of sooner. Yes you're right. Though IrishThrones states there are scenes involving Jon, Daenerys, The Hound, and the Night King at Winterfell. We also have leaked prop photos of the shoot there. And potentially an extra that leaked some minor stuff on 4chan.
  15. TheSlayerofLies

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Jon has been given no reason to doubt Dany's pledge. Dany gave him men to mine the dragon glass. She showed up beyond the wall when she was needed the most. I imagine this is part of the reason why they took Dany's entire force and planted them outside the gates of King's Landing. The show never really gave a "plan b" in case Cersei didn't agree. So it's difficult to know how that scenario would have played out. From filming news it looks like everywhere is screwed lol. But if you're asking if Dany is going to abandon the North, that doesn't seem to be the case as she took part in filming at the Winterfell set during those night shoots. As I keep harkening back to, it appears that not dealing with Cersei swiftly will be a big mistake. The most commonly accepted speculation (including credible sources such as WOTW and L7R) is that they're gonna be attacked at Winterfell by both Cersei and the NK at some point.
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