OtherFromAnotherMother

They are read by at least one person.

Of course. My post wasn't speaking to someone actually building one, just that there aren't any comments made about it. I find it surprising that George hasn't had anyone say or think about it.

Correct me if I am wrong but there is no text about someone making a statue of Robb beneath the Winterfell crypts. I find this interesting. Obviously the Boltons are not going to actually make one. Yet it is odd that there is not even a comment made by someone about it. There could be a mocking comment from a Frey, Jon thinking about it after he finds out about the RW, or something else. Nothing major here, just something I've never noticed or thought about before.

Tyrion X, CoK

Huh? So someone has to say, "that ride Joff and Sansa took sure wasn't odd" for it to be considered normal but the fact that nobody says it was odd means it was odd? So because no one said there wasn't a giant flying on a unicorn means there was a giant flying on a unicorn? Time out. Are you saying that even when there is no reveal you will still insist this fan fiction is real? And you call others arrogant...

And when Joff begins his "defiling" are these hypothetical soldiers expected to keep quiet? Is it standard practice to just "clear away suspicious characters" without being seen? Earlier you said, "A few outriders who are good with bows would have the skills to track the Prince without being seen and eliminate any foes from a distance ifnecessary." Either way, are you trying to tell me these hypothetical outriders would not have been able to step in, or at least be noticed through all of this? These hypothetical outriders would have been on alert when they notice the initial confrontation. Then Arya had time to hit Joff in the back of the head with a stick, swing again, and throw a rock at Joff. Then Joff is able to slash at Arya, back her against a tree. Then the wolf and Joff had time enough to roll in the grass. Then Arya has time to pick up Joff's sword and STAND OVER HIM WITH IT. Yet these outriders are not there yet or even seen by anyone. Your fan fiction attempt is laughable. These outriders were not even able to help out the Lannisters find Arya when she ran off and they have "skills to track the prince without being noticed"?

Details are one thing. Major plot developments are another. No one is going to be left puzzling about the circumstances leading up to Lady's death. By your logic, people shouldn't even understand what Sansa was doing in that part of the realm, because everything leading up to her presence there was written 20+ years ago. Lol, really? I do. How am I supposed to come up with text that can disprove something that never happened? That's like saying I have to prove that there wasn't a giant flying on a Unicorn during the Battle of the Bells. Exactly. And Joffrey and Sansa being allowed to do what even Ned and Robert are not is evidence of an obvious mystery at play. No, it's not.

Have you been reading? Every single plan Cersei has hatched has been stupid: Robert's murder, Ned taking the black, Margaery... She is consistently misreading others and hatching hair-brained schemes that end up failing and it's only by the skin of her teeth that they don't blow up on her entirely. And I still contend she is not so stupid to try the plan you are proposing. I don't think she had an opinion on Sansa personally at the time of the betrothal. Politically, she probably wouldn't want her son wed to a Stark but there is no text to back up my guess. I disagree, but I'm not going to argue about hypothetical character motivations in fan fiction. Not pitifully poor plot devices that have no basis in characterization, historical fact or the author's own text. Only someone who had the most utter disrespect for an author would think they would stoop to such sloppiness. This is your response to what I said? This date that you have an issue with obviously has a basis in the author's text because it happened in the author'stext and the author did not have anyone say anything about how odd it is. I do not believe the author to be pitiful. I'm not changing the story to fit my fan fiction. What in story repercussions would be felt? If? You are arguing this awfully fervently for an if. So when it doesn't happen you'll be okay with Martin's "preposterous plot device that only someone who thought they were reading a truly pitiful writer would believe"?

And that explanation doesn't work. Ned and his men know Arya. They know how willfull and adventurous she is. If not leaving the column was such a big deal someone would be with her making sure she doesn't leave. Yet nobody seems to care when she leaves the column with Joff.

You are either arguing dishonestly or trolling here. Jon not knowing the identity of his mother is evidence enough of an obvious mystery at play.

And I stand by that statement in context to what you are trying to propose with this theory.

You also ignore how Arya leaves the column and nothing happens. You brush off the fact that nobody in story cares or says anything about it. Besides, these examples do nothing to support your proposal that Joff was supposed to rape Sansa or Sansa raping Joff. Cersei is evil and a schemer but not so stupid to try a plan like this. You're trying to put words in my mouth again. I never said she is motherly nor tender towards Sansa. Joff wants to be seen as strong and powerful. He would not believe others would see him this way if he pulled off this scheme. But I'm not going to argue about hypothetical character motivations in fan fiction. Here you go again. Please stop telling me how I feel. I've already explained to you that every author uses plot devices and plot devices are a good thing when written well - as Martin does. A sneak preview of your next "was supposed to happen but didn't" theory? The ride itself has zero repercussions. What happened after the ride does. Maybe you can remember every single detail in a book you read 20+ years ago, but most people cannot. Again, I'm talking about most people and not the members of ASOIAF fan sites.

You brought up Jon's mother. I only showed you that it does not support the argument you are trying to make. It does the opposite. This specific way as in a reveal about nothing, with no in story consequences, no hints, no foreshadowing, no clues, no dialogue, and no point? I suppose, yes, he could, but would he? He "could" also have Jaime morph into the terminator and shoot a rocket out of his golden hand to take down Drogon from 10 leagues away. I don't see what your point is with this statement. Show me where I said I understand Martin. Please stop trying to speak for me.

The fan fiction gets a new detail. Now we have outriders who do nothing when Joff is attacked...

You continue to use this argumentation technique. You twist what I said about one specific mystery (how George made the mystery of who Jon's mother is obvious in that it is a mystery) and state that I think he has to have obvious clues throughout the text for all his mysteries when you know I never said this. I only said Jon's mom is meant to be a mystery. Please stop doing this. No, this is not my argument. My argument is that there is no evidence anywhere in the text of what you are proposing. Your theory requires characters to break character. It also doesn't function in story. It does not serve any relevant purpose to where we are in the story. It's reveal would do nothing. Wow, not only no respect for Martin, but you think his readers are complete idiots as well. You are doing the argumentation technique I spoke of earlier again. You know I respect Martin, so why say this? Then you say I think his readers are idiots? C,mon John, stop doing this. Because I don't think most readers would remember a trip Sansa and Joffrey went on in a book written 20+ years ago does not mean I think they are idiots. Again, we are talking about most readers, not members of this website. Most people do not remember extremely minor details from books they read 20+ years ago. Again, most people, not members of this website who have read the series multiple times.