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  1. cool. I left some other links on SSR's blog under your essay, including newer versions of the Howland/Shadrich stuff and Morgarth/Elder Brother/Lewyn stuff. EDIT: added them to the above reply post as well.
  2. I think I can shed some light on what's going on with some of the verbiage surrounding Creighton. He's foreshadowing/referencing the fact that Littlefinger's three hedge knights are a reference to The Cockney School, as well as referencing the presence of a hidden Martell (Lewyn, who is Elder Brother who is Ser Morgarth). Creighton is a homonym for cretin, which recalls "louts", which the hedge knights are. Both these epithets were hurled at the Cockney School, with which Lord Byron (obvious ref.), John Keats (who was born in Moorgate ala Morgarth) and Leigh Hunt were members. (Shadrich/Howland is "the hunter", and he's a figurative fox like Tom O'Sevens a la Tom O'Bedlam, which references a line from Shakespeare that both Byron and a poet named Robert Browning riffed on. Tom O'Sevens sings "HEIGH ho". LEIGH HUNT was a member of the Cockney School, and he discovered/pimped Robert Browning.) OK, so Creighton is "Longbough", which recalls "Longbow Hall", seat of HOUSE HUNTER. He's a Leigh Hunt reference, too, but a sketchy one. In the physical descriptions, the bursting @Seams of Creighton's jerkin— —references Marwyn, who is Lewy's (AKA Morgarth AKA Elder Brother) brother: The "spotted doeskin jerkin" recalls Arianne's friend Spotted Sylva but also Sansa's wedding shoes— —which she almost certainly abandons during her figurative wedding to Sandor (AKA Byron) en route to the Vale. I feel like I thought of some other stuff regarding the descriptions but I can't think of it right now. OH! The green and brown shield matches Sandor's personal colors, discussed in the "wedding" link, above. I really do like the notion that in-world, they're Blackfyres. Did anything more come in the thread of the idea re: Old John Mudd. It would really fit given the parallels to Shadrich, given all the "mud stuff" around him.
  3. For anyone following this thread, I've just posted my own theory regarding the people/events concerned which takes @Blue-Eyed Wolf's Sandor-glamor idea and a bunch of @sweetsunray's commentary and goes in a different direction. To be clear about where my theory was coming from, this thread was started by @bemused back in August 2016. @bemused threw out the ideas that Howland Reed is Ser Shadrich and Morgarth is Elder Brother. I had posted a VERY successful reddit post arguing for Shadrich being Howland on Jan 16 2016 and then one arguing that Morgarth is Elder Brother on March 6, 2016. My point is NOT that bemused "stole" those ideas from me or whatever, it's that I had already had those ideas on my own, and had therefore been thinking obsessively about Ser Byron for a long time when I chanced upon this thread about a year later, in March 2017. It's my belief that despite being steeped in Arthurian/Shakespearean awareness, the contributors here are missing the fact that recognition in ASOIAF is really, really complicated, and rarely happens like modern readers assume. It works (or rather doesn't work) more like it does in Shakespeare and Arthurian legends. I've written about this here. People just don't recognize people the way they "should". And that means that NO, Littlefinger and Sansa would NOT recognize Tyrek Lannister after he's gone through 2 years of aggressive Lannister puberty, especially given that his specific genetics are unbelievably precocious (his father killed multiple men in war at age 10) and tall-tending (Marbrand). Tyrek was barely on anyone's radars before, and wasn't on Sansa's at all. And YES, Byron does look EXACTLY like Tyrek "should" look, and YES there are some wonderful thematic reasons related to Miniver Cheevy and Lord Bryon to believe Tyrek is Ser Byron. I talk about all this stuff in a post arguing that Byron really, really seems to be Tyrek (but isn't) here (or read on reddit here.) Anyway, Byron isn't Tyrek because he is, as @Blue-Eyed Wolf proposed, the glamored Hound. But he's not just glamored as any random dead knight. He's glamored to look like Tyrek, because Tyrek's "look" is NOW pitch-perfect to lure in Sansa (as discussed in the last linked post). The thing is: Tyrek and Byron have glamor-swapped, a la Mance and Rattleshirt. Tyrek is the gravedigger, but he currently looks like Sandor. Sandor is Byron, who looks like Tyrek (who LF and Sansa absolutely don't recognize, for the same reasons LF is confident Sansa won't be recognized, which as I say relate to Arthurian/Shakespearean norms of disguise-recognition). Anyway, my theory is HERE on reddit or HERE on my blogspot, asongoficeandtootles. Please check it out and share your thoughts. As noted at the end, I was completely unaware that there was a polished version of the theory sketched in these forum posts until early this morning, and the bulk of my theory was written back in April 2017, before said polished version was even posted, so if my theory seems to be misrepresenting anything that was slightly changed in the polished version of @Blue-Eyed Wolf's theory, I apologize: I was looking at the forum stuff and writing before the full version existed. (Which I intend to devour tonight, make no mistake.) EDIT: below are links to the newest versions of my Howland/Shadrich and Elder Brother stuff my blogspot: HR/SS (complete): https://asongoficeandtootles.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/my-definitive-howland-reed-is-post/ Elder Brother/Morgarth/Lewyn (complete): https://asongoficeandtootles.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/the-secret-history-of-house-martell-chapter-1-the-merry-elder-brothers-brother-marwyn-his-sand-snake-daughter-and-tyene-the-stalking-stork/ or reddit: HR/SS (this post links to part 2 at the end): https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/a17jui/spoilers_extended_my_definitive_howland_reed_is/ EB/M/L (this post links to part 2 which links to part 3 at the end): https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/a412o1/spoilers_extended_the_secret_history_of_house/
  4. @Illyrio Mo'Parties Shit. That "dappled grey" is probably the Horse Cleos rode under Brienne's guard, the one that dragged him to death. Pretty great if a horse that dragged a Lannister to death is now being used by an ingonito FM-type to transport the body of Tywin. TOO great not to be true. I'm'a put it in the bank given the serving men thing and valar dohaeris 'n'at. Now, how does this "merchant" end up with this horse, when last we knew of it the Brave Companions had it? BTW, it "just so happens" that Brienne thinks of Cleos in the same chapter she meets the merchant.
  5. For sure it is in-world. I just like the text tags. But inasmuch as Selmy has the staff while he's DISGUISED and he's a KINGSGUARD, maybe I can go along with that.
  6. He's got a staff, not a quarterstaff. I get that they're conceptually the same, but I do like my strict textuality with GRRM.
  7. Revived the thread from the dead. Varys kills Kevan and Pycelle w/the crossbow too, obvs. Merchants rides "a dappled grey mare". Here's the requisite "cigar is just a cigar" quote from ACOK Arya II: Sounds like a cheap-ass merchant. And hey, he's looking for a wagon. Hybald/Hibald being a saint's name is interesting since Varys's favorite disguise is begging brother. Begging brother would also tie him to Howland/Shad via the Quiet Isle and EB/Morgarth(/Lewyn)
  8. Ae name, that's all. Not the people physically transporting them. The remaining "Starks". Merchants has a crossbow. Tyrion's weapon to kill Tywin. Hmmm... EDIT: All his "serving men" have quarterstaffs. 6 men, plus him, makes 7. The only other quarterstaffs in the books belong to Septon Meribald and this lot of sparrows: The quarterstaffs are specifically "ash", which correlates with House Stark per the "grey ash" standard back in AGOT that people use of link Mel's vision to House Stark/Arya. This is awfully polite and semi-holy sounding: "Serving men" is almost always about serving food, but there are 2 "serving men" in the House of Black and White and this quote about nearby Saltpans places "serving men" in textual proximity to something interesting: Cersei's dream about Maggi the Frog, whom I think may have something to do with nearby Duskendale, includes this pregnant image: How about this? Bolded bit sounds like moving the Hound, which EB's monks certainly did. Mob and bucket sounds like the High Sparrow scrubbing the floors with a brush and pail. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! LOOK WHAT SERVING MEN DO IN THE (QUIET ISLE-AFFILIATED) HOUSE OF BLACK AND WHITE: Same job in the fighting pits: How 'bout Tywin's REAL corpse?
  9. Of course it's you who necro'd this and asked such a marvelous question, you lovable bastard. I found that interesting given that Ned's bones are still floating around the Riverlands somewhere. What if Hallis Mollen and the Silent Sisters transferred custody of them to Howland Reed, who arranged for them to be shipped north under the cover of commerce? Money. Check out Osthryth's husband's name: King "Æthelred". Now keeping in mind that everybody moving Ned's bones are essentially Tullys via Cat, and that Cat is essentially Whent via Minisa, the reference to Oswald is pretty pregnant since the Kettleblacks are the Whent boys. Might Hibald BE Hallis? Doubtful. I had a discussion on reddit re: my Alesander Frey post in which it was proferred that this merchant might be Symond Frey. The cheapness certainly fits, esp. if he's also Oro/Arya's Merchant or simply paralleld to Oro/Arya's Merchant. And the name it the same vowel/consonant/letter formula, FWIW. Gets a lot closer if you go with the traditional Hybald v Symond. Hrrrmm... Just can't resist... Simply wrong. Meera has brown hair. Jojen's hair is very pointedly not described. I get into this in my Howland = Shadrich post. And without wanting to give to much away... hmmm... well, fuck, I don't think I can add more without giving shit away, so I'll just say the Mother Of Theories will talk more about the Reed phenotype. "The same is probably true of Howland" LOL.
  10. you see my mega post on recognition? got zero response here AFAIK.

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