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  1. My problem with Jon being King (or the Starks in general) is that Starks are honorable, they are true to their word. Or they're supposed to be. Jon bent the knee to Danerys, and in doing so spoke on behalf of all the North. When Sansa broke her word on Jon Snow's parents she committed treason. If Jon becomes King it's because he submitted to what others told him to do which makes him no better than Ned Stark in terms of naivete but worse than Ned in the fact that he knows it is not honorable. 

  2. If wishes were fishes. 


    We find out that when the bells rang, Danerys realizes that Tyrion had tricked her. She remembers that bells mean war and not surrender. One of the Usurper battles was called the Battle of the Bells for goodness sake.


    The surrendering of Cersei's army was a fake-out, and what would have happened if Danerys entered KL, the old King's green fire would have been set off around the city and the gates probably would have been closed on all her army to keep them inside while they were burned alive. That is the plan that was foiled for Cersei, she planned to give up early so Danerys would feel safe in having won, but Danerys didn't fall for it.


    After her final betrayal from Tyrion, she decides that no one in KL is trustworthy and burns them all since bells in war means for the citizens to get inside, which means anyone outside is a soldier. 


    This is revealed, along with her being pregnant finally with Jon Snow's baby. This is all cool but the Lord of the Light decides that Jon Snow has fulfilled his purpose as a Targaryan by bringing the dragons back to Westeros and takes him back. Buh Bye Jon Snow. Now without Jon as a threat to Dany, Sansa cools herself and the child ends up being the bridge to the North and KL. Maybe Dany even sends the baby up to Winterfell to be a ward. Bittersweet, right? 


    I really wish this would happen, but it won't because we have to have Lannisters 2.0 win. 

  3. 7 hours ago, TheSmallOther said:

    Fire and blood your ass. I have a simple solution for you. WW return, therefore we need a new NK to rule them all. Jon becomes one (sacrifices himself for the team) and Dany becomes his queen (as this is the only place she deserves). They all move to the north behind the wall and sleep for another 6-8 thousand years.

    On the other hand, I always thought that there will be no magic at the end of ASOIAF. Since GOT is supposed to have same ending, this would mean no dragons, no white walkers, no greenseers, etc. But for this to happen, someone has to intervene in some serious way. Maybe Bran is the one, since he was doing nothing in season 8. Maybe Howland Reed would come out from his swamps and kick Brandon in the butt?

    Ahaha wow there's still a crackpot theorist here. 

  4. 6 hours ago, Kajjo said:

    Have you seen the same show? Her's is one of the greatest arcs in the show and the Sandor/Arya scene in E5 was probably another important turning point for Arya.

    Please tell me when and where Arya has ever been anything other than "Starks or Bust". Multiple people have taken care of her on her journey and she screws them over for her family. Tell me how that isn't all that the Lannisters are. The only development for her has been her fighting skills. She is still naive, she is still selfish, and she has not ventured from that. 


    Yeah this last episode she decided not to kill Cersei, which is a total 180 from her entire being. She has always been on about her list, she traveled to King's Landing from Winterfell for this one kill and both her and Sandor stated when they started they had no intention of returning. So for her to change here at this final moment is just another plot armor device. 

  5. 11 minutes ago, Tyrion1991 said:


    Its the ending. You only kill people in the ending for shock value.

    As mentioned earlier I didn’t buy the show or books for the Starks. There’s a world of difference between it being the Stark show and having a bittersweet ending only for this family whilst deciding to spit in the face of everyone who invested in Dany as a character.

    Currently I don’t care what happens to them or the world they inhabit or the man who writes this book. 

    Dany has been consistently depicted as a badass hero for seven seasons. She hasn’t been the opposing force to Jon Snow ever, with Jon refusing the throne on this season. That is wilfully misleading people. A few colourful pieces of language and the occasional burning don’t amount to killing a million people.

    The fact the only way you can frame Danys death is as “we all told you so, hahahahaha” rather than justify it as some kind of tragedy with a moral lesson is telling. 

    You know it's really refreshing, 5 - 7 years ago this board had only Jon Snow fanboys and I had only one or two Dany supporters with me. I'm so happy our girl has garnered so much support. 


    But you're delusional if she hasn't been the opposing force to Jon Snow. For years fans have tried to reason who the prince who was promised is, Jon or Dany. Who will take the throne, Jon or Dany. They've never until now been opponents of each other but in terms of in the overall narrative the show has always been about the two of their journeys (plus Tyrion but GRRM decided to boot his importance in like the 4th or 5th book). 


    I'm hoping GRRM will give us more to go on because the way they're forcing Dany to go this route is so contrived. They took everything from her and it STILL doesn't make sense. 

  6. 3 minutes ago, Tyrion1991 said:


    All the tropes are in place. The Starks have saved Winterfell and will live out their days. 

    The only character being hurled on the pyre is Daenerys. 

    We are getting the happy ending. It’s just that the show and books feel the need to humiliate and ruin my favourite character before all the Stark fan service. 

    Right? They should kill Arya or Sansa or Jon. Not gonna happen because it's always been a Stark show. 


    Ever since day 1 Dany has been painted as the villain - she's the opposing force to Jon Snow. Jon Snow is Ned Stark 2.0. We hailed this series because knights aren't supposed to be in shining plot armor, but Jon Snow has a fortress of it. 


    So we didn't get a Cersei torture scene, but we knew her and Jaime were probably going to die together. That trope is still there. 



  7. So it seems pretty obvious that either Jon or Arya are going to kill Dany and the Starks will sit on the iron throne at the end. I mean, the whole story is about them, is it not?


    Is it bad that from this season I no longer am rooting for the Starks? They just seem like new Lannisters to me. Sansa is manipulative and Arya is as static of a character as ever. I'm not big fans of either of them anymore (I mean I never liked Arya but I loved Sansa.)


    Jon Snow is as vanilla a hero could be. How is he any different than Ned Stark? He died like Ned, and hasn't changed from death. He completely lets his sisters run wild even though he's supposed to be the representative of the North. 


    At this point I hope Dany takes out as many people as she possibly can before she's offed and I hope like the theories suggest that the WW return and kill everyone else. Good luck with them now without the dragon queen. FIRE AND BLOOD BITCHES!!!!

  8. 1 hour ago, Tyrion1991 said:

    I don’t care.

    Fundamentally if you’ve invested in the character then all of that has been only to serve a hack heel switch. Jorah saving Dany sure looks very foolish now. I can never watch or read those scenes without this event colouring it.

    The only people who think it’s great are the Stark and Stannis fanboys who have always hated Daenerys and have wanted her to amount to nothing for the entire series. Well you have your wish. The writers and George have sure hell made me look a fool. Clap clap. Bravo. 

    Am I supposed to feel anything? Is there a moral point to all this? No, it’s a pointless setup just so the Starks get the ultimate win and we have Jon or some Stark on the Iron Throne. Now I have to wait for Arya or Jon to kill her (with Jorahs sword to add insult to injury). Great, your budget Aragorn gets to be King. Clap clap.

    Omg I love this so much. Budget Aragorn ahaha. 


    I'm going to ride this last episode out enjoying Dany as much as possible before the very predictable and boring  ending inevitably happens. Fire and Blood? Bring it. 

  9. 1 minute ago, Saturno said:

    So I'm supposed to believe that this takes precedence over killing Cersei first? No way. She could burn Cersei first and then burn the smallfolk. With Cersei it was PERSONNAL. With the smallfolk was mere ressentment.

    This is one of many reasons why this flip did not make sense. She should have gone after Cersei first. Going after the commonfolk was pointless. It really was a plot device. 

  10. 17 minutes ago, snow is the man said:

    What dany did was unreedamable. The only way to actually save her character would be to have everything past the bell ringing be in her head and start the next episode right back at the scene where we hear the bells. 


    The whole scene was meant for shock value and nothing else. Well maybe to paint her as unredeemable.


    Of course I forsee sansa doing an I told you so to jon and jon just taking it without pointing out that if sansa hadn't told tyrion it would have been ALOT less pressure on dany and that even if it all went according to sansa's "brilliant and well thought out plan" that sansa would be starting a war against someone with a dragon and an army that would get thousands killed for no real reason.


    Someone pointed out that in season 2 Davos says that bells are never meant for surrender. Tyrion may have been playing Dany. Again wishful but not hopeful. 


    Really sad that they not only butchered Dany, but Sansa too. Sansa always has known her manners and this Sansa has no etiquette. Cersei 2.0. 

  11. 9 hours ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

    If Arya kills Dany, I'm done.

    Might as well just retitle the whole show, "The Many Adventures of Arya Stark"

    Which makes me really sad because I have never been an Arya fan. She has had little to no character development. All she learned was how to kill people better. She's still self-centered and only cares about her family. 


    I am not rooting for her and Sansa's Lannisters 2.0 team. I'm hoping there's a twist for Danerys yet. 

  12. 3 hours ago, LearnToBeNoOne said:

    Exactly, Davos is one of the more senior members so him saying that carries a lot of importance because he's literally talking from experience. Tyrion was acting Hand of the King in that battle and leading KL's defence. Tyrion was obviously aware of the bells in that battle so why would it now suddenly mean to surrender when it didn't back then?

    Probably means something along the lines of we will not surrender you have to take it by force - which Dany played right inot.

    That could be the next big thing, it would make sense. We saw how much Jaime means to him so he maybe it shows he wouldn't hurt Cersei because it would mean hurting Jaime.

    Bran could reveal something about Tyrion and Cersei that causes Jon to change his mind about her or something like that. Tyrion being exposed as a traitor would change things a lot. Got to mention Bran once more, last chance for him to get involved haha.

    See, now THIS would be a great twist. Tyrion has never done right by Dany. I don't blame her for not following his awful advice again. 

  13. 47 minutes ago, Kajjo said:

    I agree. She was.

    She snapped when sitting with Drogon on the wall and listens to the bell ringing. Having achieved it, even more frustrated then about it all.

    I read somewhere that she was frustrated by how easy it all was. She had let her advisors convince her when she had a full army and 3 dragons to go help Jon Snow with his wight capturing and white walker war BEFORE going for kings landing. She lost two dragons, Jorah, half her army, and Missandei because of it. 


    Even after rude af Sansa told her that her troops needed more rest (try to tell me Sansa wasn't stalling to play more politics TRY ME!!) Dany still EASILY took KL. She wanted this to be the fight of her life and she just took it. &&&&& Jon Snow was any day going to come in and take her throne (because let's be honest he lets his sisters rule him way too much and already "for the people" Varys had tried to poison her) so why give mercy? Why not rule in absolute fear? 


    Dany has come in and conquered. She tried to peacefully in Mereen and that taught her fire and blood.


    Is she a Ned Stark? No. But she's certainly not mad. Throughout the show they proved how she wasn't mad, Targaryens don't flip a switch. They are born mad or not. Dany developed into this. Which I think is a little deserved lol. 


    Also I think this is himym 2.0. Did GRRM/DD know how this was going to end all along? Yes, they did. But as the story has evolved and what it has become, was it the best route? Probably not. There are going to be a lot of angry fans because the writers didn't realize how liked Dany was going to be. How especially in this political day and age, a strong, confident woman (since day 1 I might add, none of this "my rapers are the reason I'm strong" Sansa bullshit) is what the people want. && now because of predetermined storyline, her reputation is going to be decimated. Well I for one as a Dany fan say FIRE AND BLOOD BITCHES!!! 

  14. 20 hours ago, Raksha 2014 said:


    I always applauded Sansa for humiliating Tyrion at their wedding.  She was a prisoner of Tyrion's family, married to him because his family decided it after his sister arrested and imprisoned her father and his nephew executed him.  It's not as if an agreement was made between Robb (the head of House Stark after Ned's death) and the Lannisters to make peace by marrying Sansa to Tyrion; Sansa would probably have obeyed her brother.  Sansa had endured months of humiliation and abuse by Lannisters; she did not want to marry into their family; but was not given a choice.  Her refusal to kneel to let Tyrion cloak her was a quiet protest against a marriage that was made not in the interest of her family, but in the interest of the family that was killing her own.

    I'm glad you think that and I do truly hope that was the reason why she did that. When I read it I purely saw it as Sansa being the brat she always was and couldn't stand being married to a short person. Tyrion from what I remember (it's been at least five years so I may be shaky) was always kind to her. She could have protested the marriage in other ways but from what I saw she purposely made fun of his height. 

  15. 22 hours ago, LucyMormont said:

    You can have Jon as the center of the story and still have a good ending for Dany, or at least not as bad as the leaks are sayin (as for the sayings of those of you who've read the leaks, I didn't). 

    If she has to go, let her go in a good, meaningful, decent way. What was the point of her whole storyline? I jut don't get it.


    I feel you. Never have I felt so strongly about a fictional character. I always felt that the show/books truly started with the return of the dragons. She went from nothing to everything and so many people are trying to "mad queen" her when she really has done nothing crazy. I don't get what she was supposed to do with the Tarlys, if she imprisoned them then she would always have to be worried about them and their men rebelling against her. First episode of the series when the guy ran from the wall, Ned Stark killed him. Didn't take him as a prisoner for going against the kingdom, he killed him. And both men could have easily bent the knee, but they chose to die for stubborn reasons. I hope she goes out in a good way but I can say with a 99% certainty she won't end up on the iron throne. 

  16. The main thing that I don't like out of this whole Sansa storyline is that they have made her (and Arya) into the Lannisters 2.0. Why don't you like Dany? She's not a Stark. LOL okay that's logical. 


    This season has actually managed to make me NOT root for the Starks. Sansa and Arya have always been brats (not sure if I'll ever forgive Sansa for humiliating Tyrion at their wedding and Arya has had no redeeming character development other than she can fight now) but their ties to Ned and his honor have always made them stand out from the crowd until as of late. Sansa and Arya are both just smaller versions of Cersei now. Sansa with the manipulation and Arya with the mercilessness. Really sad to see what their characters have become. 

  17. 6 hours ago, LearnToBeNoOne said:

    It's not like they did it to try and make Jon look tough either - seriously due to budget? Does it get more pathetic than that.

    The viewers have invested so many years but no let's act like Ghost is irrelevant (although he's been there since the beginning) and direwolves don't represent House Stark.

    All book readers still remember Jon's last thought while he was dying in the last book was Ghost. I still cannot believe he let Ghost go. 

  18. 36 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    It's a combination.  Taking a hugely popular character, who has been portrayed as flawed but heroic for 8 years, and in the space of 2 episode set up a tragic/negative ending was always going to be unpopular.  A longer, better, more delicate build up and there would be less backlash.

    When this comes on top of gutting the WW story, the importance of Jon Snow's heritage as well as many minutes of the dumbest battles you will ever see...it becomes a tipping point.

    I do think if she goes mad in the show she will go mad in the books, the show would never have taken this road if they didn't get it from GRRM.

    The thing I'm annoyed about is that the people who say Westeros is fine being a patriarchal society because it's the middle ages are also the same people who say Dany is ridiculous for wanting to kill innocent people to take the iron throne. What do they think happens in war? Only armies fight each other? This is why I find the "Mad Queen" direction so frustrating because her "being mad" is actually completely logical realistically. They can miss me with Varys, he let Ned Stark die and let the Lannisters take over so he REALLY has no say in this. 


    On two other notes, KL got our lovely "But my people are peaceful" Missandei to shout "Dracarys" like Cersei didn't have this coming. Also, Dany's not dumb, she knows Sansa is conniving. I would get out of the North as fast as I can too with the amount of ungratefulness and nonexistent hospitality that Sansa has shown her. Sansa and Arya are the Lannisters 2.0 now.