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  1. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    And? Ned killed the guy because he was the one that ordered his death. By that logic jon would kill any prisoner whose death he orders. What I said is that if you think jon chose to kill him because of personal bias due to janos conections to the lannisters then give a quote. You are using the fact that jon takes time to think through all possible punishments and choses what he thinks is best to proof that he didn t have to kill janos. As if people don t think what punishment is more suitable before passing a sentence... That is an oversimplistic view of what happened. The facts is that jon returned before he was needed. I don t think anybody is called a deserter if he disapears for a few hours and then returns… But ok, I can agree that this is open for interpetation…. She doesn t tell him that. She tells him that there are daggers in the night or something similar and that he is danger. However she is mistaken about alys being arya, constantly talks about everyone beeing doomed, that the wildlings worship false gods and I think she was also wrong about some detail about the dead rangers. If jon made decisions based entirely on what mel tells him then he would be a moron. She just isn t a trustworthy source of information. Besides, jon can t spend months on high alert expecting an attack that might come from either the NW, the wildlings or even queensmen trying to take his valyrian sword from him or any other reason… You expect the characters to behave in ways that aren t realistic... And robb had many flaws, but how was he supposed to imagine that walder would violate guest rights and kill him during a wedding? Nobody has done such a thing in thousands of years! It just isn t done in westeros... I have no idea of what mance implied. However when mance left CB he was disguised as rattleshirt. Nobody would recognize him and he would simply go to a deserted region help farya ride to the Wall… He had no idea that mance would go to winterfell or that mel would lose her control over him… Hell, one of the reasons jon agrees with letting mance go is because mance owned him for saving his son from mel… He doesn t really have motives to believe mance would betray him now…. Val, expeditions beyond the Wall or inviting the wildlings to fight on the Wall and ocupy the gift are all things within jon's responsability and power. Stannis has no power over the NW actions. However abducting a prisoner from stannis, declaring him a liar and killing the prisoner are thing the NW doesn t do. Have you ever seen the NW hunting deserters south of the Wall? Or asking for deserters heads? In asoiaf how many times have you read about people planing to send people to infiltrate his enemies and learn what they are planning? Very few because that just isn t the way most people think in the books. And surely jon with his northern upbringing isn t recruiting people to spy on his men to learn who is loyal to him… That isn t something you can realisticaly expect jon to do... All that talk but you haven t found a single quote...
  2. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    Given that Ned bloodied his own hands killings an insignificante persont that deserted the NW what makes you think jon wouldn t? Again, there is no indication that jon at first wanted to hang janos to humiliate him. It is just as they do things in the NW or how grrm felt about killing a character on the day he first wrote the chapter... He had other choices that he desmisses because they weren t the right decision. Any person judging the fate of another goes through a process of elimination to decide the punishment. If you really believe jon was too hard on his decision then give a quote about him desmissing another form of punishment based on bad judgement. Otherwise jon is just listing why he has to kill janos... However jon wasn t caught. He decided to return. THAT is an important diference. And just because jon decided to desert doesn t mean he is a deserter. He has to be gone enough time to be declared by the NW a deserter. First, Slynt publicly insulted jon and refused to obey orders. No matter what those people say in private jon or anyone else can t take action unless they also take action. You can t punish someone until they actually try to do a crime. Then you are forgeting an important thing. Jon did try to push thorne and marsh away from power. He sent thorne scouting and slynt was going to take care of a useless place. In regards to the others jon choose to keep them because they know how to do their job and jon didn t really have conflicts with them before dance. He was open minded and during the first half of dance things actually were ok for him. It is in the second half of the book that jon just can t work with marsh and yarwyck anymore because they are completly against his ideas. However, given that jon's last chapters happen in a very short amount of time and a lot of things are happening I don t think he had the oportunity to really get rid of those 2 by sending them to work on some castle. I think you mix your knowledge of how things ended to say how jon should have behaved before they happened. The truth is that in the beguining of dance jon doesn t have a lot of motives to disregard marsh and yarwick given their ability to do the job... We don t even know if stannis knows he didn t kill mance… What the text actually shows is that mel and maybe stannis are plotting something and decided to keep mance alive. Jon killing him or unmasking them would be actively taking part in the politics of westeros and create a powerfull enemy. What you are sugesting is just bad. Jon didn t have the power at the time to determine mance's fate. Actually yes. I had several discussion here about that topic. Danny never rulled in favor of the slavers nor was she open minded about their plights.
  3. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    I like what you are saying about eastwatch. A lot of important things are happening there… I could even see someone trying to take over the NW from there… Kind of pull a tywin move by having someone do the dirty work of killing jon to keep his hands clean and then try to become LC. My only problem is that with the men pyke took with him to hardhome how many men remain there? less than 50? They can t handle the wildlings, mammoths and Giants there… The truth is the NW as marsh knows it has ended. There are just too manny wildlings and too few westerosi NW brothers. Even if there was an election between jon supporters and wildlings that joined the watch if they were 200 they would block any election of someone they don t like…
  4. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    But if it was something planned they would need to know how the rest of the NW would react. How can they be sure the people in CB won t just name them traitors and hang them? That the wildlings won t try and take over the resources of the NW so that they can help the people in hardhome? OR even help the weeper take the bridge of skulls? I can t see a logical reason for them to act they way the did… It only makes sense for me if it is an emotional reaction without much thought… No matter whatever agreement they might have with the lannisters or boltons what plans do they have for their imediate survival?
  5. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    I agree, And if they were somehow involved in jon's stabing grrm would have given us some clue about their presence in CB. The problem I see here is that I don t think they attacked jon because stannis is dead. After hearing the pink letter they must know how impossible it is to answer all of ramsay's demands and it is debatable if the whole NW agrees with their decision to stab jon… To me the attack stinks of desperation of men that don t want to die and think that as long as jon is in comand they are doomed. I doubt they actually have a plan of action about what to do after killing jon because they know how hard it is to get to stannis people, val without being murdered by the wildlings and that farya isn t there. I bet marsh just wants to sit in CB and let the wildlings, ramsay and stannis people fight between them without involving him.
  6. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    What I don t understand is why people don t focus on jon's actually debatable decisions. Like how legal were jon's actions in the entire alys debacle, informing stannis and keeping the other karstark indefinetly imprisoned without informing anyone? I think here it makes sense for people to have diferent opinions...
  7. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    I think that was a plot that grrm forgot with the division of dance and feast. There is no indication in dance that the crown sent a group of men to the NW. Hell, from some other discussion I think there were interesting prisoners from the riverlands that also haven t arrived... Not even stannis dragonglass arrived yet! Will it ever get north or it is travelling with robb's will?
  8. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    This entire paragraph is just wrong. First jon wanted to hang janos because that is the way grrm killed people in the NW. You just have to check for interviews of the time grrm read that pov chapter to know that he only changed the killing method because someone in the audience asked if jon wouldn t sentence people to die like ned did and brandish the sword himself. Then jon's thoughts are about him deciding what his the best decision to make and being sure that killing janos is the right decision. The whole thought process jon concluding what is the right action to take. Slynt and thorne wanted to kill him and put him on trial. They couldn t do more without a lord comander... And mormont didn t kill him because he came back. Jon gave janos several oportunities to follow his orders and he simply refused. And you are sugesting that jon should kill marsh and company for not agreeing with him? That sounds like something aerys would do… IT is just insane. And jon actually tought he killed mance… Or are you saying that jon should capture someone that is under mel's protection, expose stannis and kill mance? That course of action is also borderline insane. He would be making na enemy out of stannis that can destroy the NW and at the same time actively interfering in the politics of the 7 kingdoms. Wether mance deserved to die for his crimes if jon killed him at that time it would be the worst political decision ever... Do you remember the text? Because jon actually thought he ordered mance's death… And is willing to accept all wildlings even if he hates some them… I would really like to see a quote that proved what you are saying… There isn t a single instance when this happens. Her rulling in mereen were all against the slavers.
  9. divica

    On Janos Slynt

    So you think someone who refused to obey orders and insulted jon in front of several nw brothers shouldn t be killed? And I am probably forgeting more things jannos did...
  10. Is there any proof of this? Because it sounds a lot like fan fiction. Robb slept with jeyne because he fell in love and in a low moment he did something he shouldn t. And robb married jeyne for their personal honnor. I have a lot of doubts that jon would make the same choice. He is willing to let go of his honnor in several ocasions in order to do what he thinks is right/must be done. i have no idea what you are saying here. But it is interesting to note that jon slept with ygrite several times and when his duty demanded that he left her he did. And by warning the NW he is even responsable for her death... Jon executed janos because he was insubodinate and refused to obey orders. And even if he was popular he was a recent adition to the NW and therefore had little power. Killing him was very smart… He was one of his enemies that jon could actually get rid off. He wanted to send him away but jannos gave him too many motives to kill him and jon took the chance. In the end there was no blowback to killing jannos in those conditions… If I remember correctly it even put pressure on alister thorne to obey his orders. I sincerelly hope you don t think anyone tried to kill jon because of jannos... With robb it was the reverse. Even if the karstark deserved to die his death would jeopardize robb's position and put his men in more danger in future battles. It is a politcally bad move. He should have either imprisoned him or sent him to the Wall. Whatever made the karstarks remain loyal...
  11. divica

    Heresy 227 and the Great Turtle

    Lets be honnest. The worth of affc and adwd depends on their importance in the next books. A lot of the storylines hit pause in these books. Who thought that we and the characters would learn nothing new about the others in dance? That stannis storyline would evolve zero %? That danny would spend the entire book in one place and by the end acomplish basically nothing? That jon wouldn t train his magical abilities? And several other examples... I can understand that people will criticize his writting if twow has the same pace as the 2 previous books. It would mean he needs 10 or more books to actually finish the story… For something that started as a trillogy, evolved into 5 books and is currently at 7 it should mean something.
  12. will it even be profitable? Honestly I think she needs to choose very carefully her next project. I doubt that she can have a movie career if she keeps having bad box offices...
  13. It certainly was a bad year for sophie… But I think she would need at least another suposed blockbuster that completly fails for me to consider her cursed. And didn t jcw (Jaime) also completly fail with egiptina gods or whatever the movie was called?
  14. Most of the latter interviews were about defending the show. That they agreed with the direction the show went and things like that. Hell didn t sophie talk about fans being angry because the series ended and they couldn t make everybody happy? I really think that most actors despite not liking the show and saying so in the earlier interviews were expecting the public to love it. When they realised that the public also hated it they went into denial mode. Emillia is one of the actress that recently participated in projects like solo or terminator that were also failures. I think she handled the situation much better than other actors. ps by the way, is emillia cursed? Has she participated in something sucessful since terminator? (I am assuming it aired after s6)
  15. She is one of the few actors that accepted season 8 was crap. I would like to know if it was because she hated it or because she is more used to failed projects than other actors... Because the reality is that most actors like kit that talked about s8 just aren t used to fan backlash.. And it is pretty clear how they criticized the season in the beguining and as fans started to hate the actors started to defend it.
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