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  1. You already quote Martin saying it's not a sci-fi explanation but a fantasy one. You might say it's a magical blood sacrifice that originally fucked'up the seasons but in the end you still justify the irregular seasons with a sci-fi explanation: the axial tilt of the planet. It does not work with astronomy reports either, the seasons should be regular. It's the Song of Ice and Fire. Out of the four seasons only winter and summer are affected. Magic must be part of nature. Magic and the seasons are interconnected, ice magic must affect winter and fire magic, summer. The magical people who are close to nature, those who sing the song of earth, the Singers, made a powerful ice magic spell to avoid extinction, the song of Ice: the Others. The Others are interconnected to winter. The song of Ice caused the Long Night, a long winter and to bring back the day, the Singers made a new song, the song of Fire: the Dragonlords. Alabastur great theory about that: « The things that are going north of the wall and Daenerys Targaryen on the other continent with her dragons are, of course, the ice and fire of the title. » https://youtu.be/GaPZGDlm2F4?t=293 The Others represent the Ice, they live in the Land of Always Winter, they use ice and blood magic, have blades of ice whereas the Dragonlords represent the Fire, they live in the Land of Longs Summers, use fire and blood magic, have blades of fire (VS/DS/Lightbringer). It also fits with Robert Frost's poem, Fire & Ice, an inspiration for the title. The Others threatens the world with a winter that would never end whereas the Dragonlords with a never ending summer.
  2. I don't discount the overall myth, I don't take it as pure truth since a legend is based on part of true event but have been inflated with added, romanticised elements. I try to sort out what is true and what is false and the scene where Sam kills an Other help a lot to perceive the truth of Lightbringer.
  3. Not all: We also find that confirmation in 3 con reports: Comic-Con (San Diego, CA; July 20-23), US Signing Tour (Ann Arbor, MI) and Conestoga (Tulsa, OK; July 15-17). And he is clear on the fact that it is a fantasy explanation and not a sci-fi one. The axis of the planet didn't change, I don't think they ever mentioned some change in the constellations appearing in the sky. By looking at the stars, the seasons should be regulars and ancient tales mentioned that they were: The explanation is magical, out of the 4 seasons only winter and summer are affected. It's the Song of Ice and Fire, winter and summer... the Others with ice magic and the Dragonlords with fire magic...
  4. Dawn shares some properties like the sharpness and being lighter than regular steel but it has an unknown magical powers. Martin said he would rather chose Dawn than any Valyriansteel blade because "who knows what magical properties fallen stars bring to earth" and that "Dawn is even more potent than VS". Lightbringer / Dragonsteel is a steel that has the same magical properties as dragonglass: it burns without deteriorating and melt the Others. There is only one steel that is connected to fire and blood magic: Valyriansteel. So Valyriansteel, a steel that generate fire, is useful against the Others, against there cold swords, whereas Dawn would be useful for more scenarios, that's why it would be even more potent than VS. It's a religious tale by a cult who thinks their god is the real deal and that He is the god of Light and Love. Those kind of tales are heavily romanticized, pretty easy to see that they would make a blood sacrifice a romantic thing as not to taint the image of their god. And I don't think the Last Hero had a wife, nothing about that in his tale, they (LH and the Children) probably sacrifice some random people to make the dragonsteel sword / Lightbringer.
  5. I think there is enough clues that shows why Essos shares the same legend about a hero with a magical sword, it's clearly stated in The World of Ice and Fire that they are based on an ancient legend from Asshai: So in the ancient text of Asshai, there is a mention of a hero with a red who lead the virtuous into battle to defeat the darkness. That legend spread through Essos where each culture made it their own story. The fact the legend doesn't mention clearly the Others is very interesting, the use of the word "darkness" is not innocent. We know what it refers to because we have already encountered this phrasing to refer to the Others via Melisandre, her visions and the prophecy of the Prince Who Was Promised: Visions are vague, the Others don't appear clearly but as "darkness". If that's how people perceives them in prophetic visions then it means the ancient text from Asshai was not an old legend of the hero who defeat the Others during the first Long Night but rather prophecy about his action. This explains how the legends of Essos can refer to the Others when they were not on the continent, they were perceived through visions. Oh and of course, that hero they saw though visions, the hero who fought the darkness with his burning sword, leading the virtuous into the last battle that brought back the day is the Last Hero: We found back the hero, the magical sword, the virtuous men and the battle that brought back the day but the tales of the Last Hero don't speak of the Others as "the darkness", their description is accurate and detailed, the tales mentions the ice creatures, their power to raise the dead, their blades of ice that can shatter steel, the stealing of babies, etc. It make sense, the Others came from the Land of Always Winter and only Westeros is connected to that part of the world so they are the one who faced them.
  6. People had vision of the Last Hero deeds in Westeros and that vision then spread accross Essos: So it's all started because of a "legend" from Asshai about a hero fighting the "darkness" with a burning sword. If we take a look at the Last Hero tales it's the same thing. He was looking to end the Long Night, broke his sword, ended up with a "dragonsteel" sword, banded the Night's Watch and lead them into the battle of the Dawn to bring back the day. In Essos, the legends only mentions the "darkness" or at best "demon" when referring to the Others whereas the Last Hero tales mentions the army of undead, the blades of ice that can shatter steel, they take babies and fear the sun. That distinction between the two versions allows us to conclude 2 things: the Others were not in Essos and the information comes from a vision. We can be sure it's a vision because it happened the same way with Melisandre when she has vision of the Prince that was Promised leading the fight against the Others: In her visions, Melisandre doesn't see the Others as demon of ice and cold raising the dead with blades that shatter steel, she just see "the dark" the same way people had vision of the Last Hero facing the "darkness".
  7. Depends on which Azor Ahai you are referring to. You have "Azor Ahai", the legendary figure who ended the Long Night 5.000 years ago, the Last Hero. And you have "Azor Ahai Reborn", the prophesied one to lead the army against the darkness which is the Prince that was Promised. R'hllor cultist perceived the world through their religion. When they heard about the legend of the man who ended the Long Night they saw him as their God's champion, Azor Ahai. It is also written that there are annals in Asshai of such a darkness, and of a hero who fought against it with a red sword. [...] This legend has spread west from Asshai, and the followers of R'hllor claim that this hero was named Azor Ahai, and prophesy his return. The World of Ice and Fire - Ancient History: The Long Night And then you have the prophecy of a new figure that will lead again humanity against the dark, the Prince that was Promised. The prophecy is "born amidst salt and smoke to wake dragons out of stone" It is written in prophecy as well. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. A Storm of Swords - Davos III And as we can see when Aemon mentioned the Prince that was Promised prophecy, it's the same clues: "It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought... the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King's Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet. What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it." A Feast for Crows - Samwell IV Melisandre is well aware of both names and use them interchangeably, so does Martin. You are the prince that was promised, and if you fail the world fails with you. A Storm of Swords - Davos VI "It is the war for the dawn you speak of, my lady. But where is the prince that was promised?" "He stands before you," Melisandre declared, "though you do not have the eyes to see. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai come again, the warrior of fire. In him the prophecies are fulfilled. The red comet blazed across the sky to herald his coming, and he bears Lightbringer, the red sword of heroes." A Storm of Swords - Samwell V In return Melisandre sees that the Lord of Light gives him a token of his role as the Prince that was Promised by ancient prophecy and that's the sword Lightbringer. https://youtu.be/DIe0Q3PgcOw?t=423 So I think it's really important to understand that Melisandre is a Red Priest, a zealot and that affect the way she perceives the world, the legend and the prophecy. Azor Ahai is the champion of their god and this is why they use that name to designate two different legendary figures past and future (the Last Hero and the Prince that was Promised). We can clearly see that with the fact that, when Aemon and Marwyn mention the prophecy they say "born amidst..." whereas Melisandre always say "born again amidst..." So Azor Ahai Reborn = The Prince that was Promised.
  8. But there is no human sacrifice involves in the making of Dawn. The metal used to forged it already had magical properties: « If I could wield only one sword? I don't think it would be any of the Targaryens swords, it would be Dawn. [...] Which is made from the metal of a fallen star and who knows what magical properties fallen stars bring to earth. » https://youtu.be/ysRorXaGbG0?t=3981 Whereas Lightbringer / dragonsteel / Valyriansteel is made with magic: I belive I'm right in saying it differs from say Mithril (from LOTR) in that it is not a material which in itself bears advantageous properties but rather ordinary steel which has been subjected to a process (the physical manipulation of the steel combined with spells) which embues it with the desired elements. Yes, that is correct. https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/The_Process_of_Making_Valyrian_Steel I already show that Lightbringer = Dragonsteel and we can see how the Last Hero and Azor Ahai are the same character by looking at their legends. Their story is the same: a guy ended the Long Night with his magical sword. And if we look at the different parts of their legends that we have (2 for each), we notice that they are complementary. Book 1: The Hero is looking for the Children to help them vanquish the Others. So as cold and death filled the earth, the last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. AGoT - Bran IV Book 2: They forge a magical sword with a blood sacrifice. She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes. ACoK - Davos I Book 4: The Hero kills demons with his magical sword. I found one account of the Long Night that spoke of the last hero slaying Others with a blade of dragonsteel. AFFC - Samwell I Book 5: Description of what his magical sword does. Once Azor Ahai fought a monster. When he thrust the sword through the belly of the beast, its blood began to boil. Smoke and steam poured from its mouth, its eyes melted and dribbled down its cheeks, and its body burst into flame. ADwD - Jon III 2 legends about the Last Hero and 2 legends about Azor Ahai. If we wonder how did he get his dragonsteel sword or what does his dragonsteel sword do? The answer are within the Azor Ahai parts. Weird coïcidence... Obsidian is a volcanic rock, it's not steel. Not sure what you are trying to say with the Dante quote but yeah for Frost poem, it also fits with what I'm saying. Martin said Ice = the Others and Fire = the Dragonlords. The Others have a control on ice magic, they live in the Land of Always Winter, they have icy magical swords and they are connected to winter. The Dragonlords have a control on fire magic (the dragons), they lived in the land of Long Summers, they have a magical steel and they are connected to summer. So since the Dragonlords are the Fire, we can safely assume their their magical steel contains fire magic, therefore valyriansteel = Lightbringer = Dragonsteel. It also explained the long seasons. Martin said the explanation is magical and we know that there are elemental magical forces like ice and fire magic so it's not weird to think that the seasons would be tie to those forces. There is ice and there is fire. Hate and love. Bitter and sweet. Male and female. Pain and pleasure. Winter and summer. Evil and good." She took a step toward him. "Death and life. Everywhere, opposites. Everywhere, the war. A Storm of Swords - Davos III The summers have been shorter since the last dragon died, and the winters longer and crueler. The Hedge Knight If the Others wins, then it will be an endless winter but if the dragonlords wins, it will be an endless summer: Haldon nodded. "Benerro has sent forth the word from Volantis. Her coming is the fulfillment of an ancient prophecy. From smoke and salt was she born to make the world anew. She is Azor Ahai returned … and her triumph over darkness will bring a summer that will never end … death itself will bend its knee, and all those who die fighting in her cause shall be reborn …" A Dance with Dragons - Tyrion VI The Others and the Dragonlords are both dangerous for the world and the only way to bring back the world to normal is by getting rid of the song of Ice, the Others and the song of Fire, the Dragonlords. That won't be happen in peace. Valyria did exist during the Long Night, people seem to be unaware of this information. “10,000 years” is mentioned in the novels. But you also have places where maesters say, “No, no, it wasn’t 10,000, it was 5,000.” Again, I’m trying to reflect real-life things that a lot of high fantasy doesn’t reflect. In the Bible, it has people living for hundreds of years and then people added up how long each lived and used that to figure out when events took place. Really? I don’t think so. Now we’re getting more realistic dating now from carbon dating and archeology. But Westeros doesn’t have that. They’re still in the stage of “my grandfather told me and his grandfather told him.” So I think it’s closer to 5,000 years. But you’re right. Westeros is a very different place. There’s no King’s Landing. There’s no Iron Throne. There are no Targaryens — Valyria has hardly begun to rise yet with its dragons and the great empire that it built. https://ew.com/author-interviews/2018/11/19/george-rr-martin-interview/ So they did exist during the Long Night and from what we know, they still were "weak" just after the Long Night but they had dragons. They fought Old Ghis 5 times, and won fives times. The last war took place 5.000 bc. If we look on how they got dragons we can see an interesting legend: In Asshai, the tales are many and confused, but certain texts—all impossibly ancient—claim that dragons first came from the Shadow, a place where all of our learning fails us. These Asshai'i histories say that a people so ancient they had no name first tamed dragons in the Shadow and brought them to Valyria, teaching the Valyrians their arts before departing from the annals. Yet if men in the Shadow had tamed dragons first, why did they not conquer as the Valyrians did? The World of Ice and Fire - Ancient History: The Rise of Valyria And a great explanation by Alabastur is that those people were the Children of the Forest, the Singers, those who sing the songs of earth. They are refered as an eldery race, making them ancient. Bran and Meera have to give them names because human can't pronounce their and they don't alway use names, making them nameless. They know the how to craft obsidian, access dreams and have visions which is what a glass candle do. They also know how to control animals, usefull to get dragons. Why did they not conquer with the dragons? The Children arent conquerors, they aren't great warriors, they "sing sad songs". It fits we everything we've seen. The Singers and the Last Hero had to make a new song to counter the song of Ice, the Others, to bring back the day, causing long summers: According to these tales, the return of the sun came only when a hero convinced Mother Rhoyne's many children—lesser gods such as the Crab King and the Old Man of the River—to put aside their bickering and join together to sing a secret song that brought back the day. The World of Ice and Fire - Ancient History: The Long Night The Children taught the Valyrians how to tame the dragons and how to make dragonsteel / Valyriansteel to counter their first creation, the Others. It fits with the timeline: toward the end of the Long Night, around ~5.000 bc, the Valyrians got the dragons, the Long Night ends and, just after, Old Ghis attack Valyria to get an hand on the dragons. The Valyrian victory, 5.000 bc, launched the Freehold expansion. Martin said he likes title with multiples meaning. We have the Singers, their spells are call songs, they made the Others, the song of Ice, and the Dragonlords, the song of Fire. Those forces are opposite but both destructive and are responsible for the irregularity of the seasons.
  9. What would be the point of dragonsteel if it does the same thing as Valyriansteel but it's not Valyriansteel? We know that dragonsteel / Lightbringer was made with a blood sacrifice. Qohorik smiths are using blood sacrifice in their efforts to replicate VS. There aren't a lot of people connected to fire magic, blood sacrifice who happened to have some magical steel. Also february 28, 2002: I was wondering if Valyrian steel could stand against the swords of the Others and also if they could kill Others. The Night's Watch would like to know as well. https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1201 When does the Night's Watch ever discuss this? 3 years later in A Feast For Crows: "Dragonsteel?" Jon frowned. "Valyrian steel?" "That was my first thought as well." A Feast for Crows - Samwell I It's the thematic of the story, Ice vs Fire. The Others are the ice and the Dragonlords are the fire of the title. If one has magical icy sword, the other would have magical firy swords and the Dragonlords have Valyriansteel. It can't just be a coincidence. Yeah and Valyriansteel can be dragonsteel even if it doesn't have the same name. Dragonsteel was the named used by the tales from the common folk of Westeros just like they call obsidian "dragonglass". It doesn't, the text you posted says that Ice was forged 400 years ago, the Long Night happened 5.000 yers ago. Venus? Love? D: When an army of dead people is threatening humanity, defending yourself isn't what I would call bringing more violence.
  10. If it's not Valyrian steel, then Jon will die when facing an Other because Longclaw will suffer the same fate as Waywar's sword in AGoT prologue. Jon will die twice? Also the Others represents Ice, they have a control over ice magic and they have swords made of ice magic. Who represent Fire? Who have a control over Fire magic, the dragons? Who would have swords that contains fire magic? « The things that are going north of the wall and Daenerys Targaryen on the other continent with her dragons are, of course, the ice and fire of the title. » https://youtu.be/GaPZGDlm2F4?t=293 I did consider in the very early stages not having the dragons in there. I wanted the Targaryen’s symbol to be the dragons, but I did play with the notion that maybe it was like a psionic power, that it was pyrokinesis — that they could conjure up flames with their minds. https://goodqueenaly.tumblr.com/post/172280524783/i-saw-your-debate-on-prophecies-and-i-think Valyria was around during the Long Night and dragonsteel could have get named Valyriansteel after the expansion of the Free Hold. Ice doesn't have to be the Last Hero dragonsteel sword / Lightbringer. A non violent solution when it ended with the Battle of the Dawn? D: The Children didn't know how to forge steel but men did, thus the Last Hero/Azor Ahai involvement. And how Dawn, the excalibur cliché, will come into play? B+A=J?
  11. You would need to make a sacrifice to create valyrian steel but once you got that steel, there is no need to make a sacrifice to rework it since it's already there. Dragonsteel is call like that for the same reason that obsidian is call "dragonglass": it contains fire magic and dragons = fire. And we can see in the text that obisidian contains fire magic which is why it's call "dragonglass": Armen crossed his arms. "Obsidian does not burn." "Dragonglass," Pate said. "The smallfolk call it dragonglass." Somehow that seemed important." They do," mused Alleras, the Sphinx, "and if there are dragons in the world again . . ." A Feast for Crows - Prologue Half a year gone, that man could scarcely wake fire from dragonglass. A Clash of Kings - Daenerys III "Dragonglass." The red woman's laugh was music. "Frozen fire, in the tongue of old Valyria. Small wonder it is anathema to these cold children of the Other." A Storm of Swords - Samwell V "Call it dragonglass." Archmaester Marwyn glanced at the candle for a moment. "It burns but is not consumed." "What feeds the flame?" asked Sam. "What feeds a dragon's fire?" Marwyn seated himself upon a stool. A Feast for Crows - Samwell V Obsidian contains fire magic which is why it's call "frozen fire" and "dragonglass", put fire magic in steel and you would get "dragonsteel", a steel that would kill the Others just like dragonglass and could stand off against their icy swords. We've seen the effect of dragonglass on the Other when Sam stabbed him with his obsidian dagger, it melted it. Dragonsteel should have the same effect and we know one sword that do the same thing as dragonglass: Lightbringer. Once Azor Ahai fought a monster. When he thrust the sword through the belly of the beast, its blood began to boil. Smoke and steam poured from its mouth, its eyes melted and dribbled down its cheeks, and its body burst into flame." A Dance with Dragons - Jon III The Last Hero/Azor Ahai went to seek the help of the Children of the Forest and together they made the first valyrian steel sword with a blood sacrifice. It is said that the sword generate heat in combat and we can easily guess why. In the prologue we've seen that the icy swords of the Others would frost regular steel until it shattered. How do you get rid of the frost on your windshield? You turn on your car and the heat, that's what Lightbringer / Valyrian steel will do when clashing with the Others swords and the text is already teasing us that test in battle: "A pity that the sword that Stannis wields is cold. I'll be curious to see how his Lightbringer behaves in battle. Thank you for the wine. Ghost, with me." A Dance with Dragons - Jon III We will see, Jon thought, remembering the things that Sam had told him, the things he'd found in his old books. Longclaw had been forged in the fires of old Valyria, forged in dragonflame and set with spells. Dragonsteel, Sam called it. Stronger than any common steel, lighter, harder, sharper … But words in a book were one thing. The true test came in battle. A Dance with Dragons - Jon XII There is no need to look for a new sacrifice, a new Nissa Nissa, the prophecy doesn't mention forging a new sword and that's because Lightbringer was the first dragon/valyrian steel weapon made and since there is a bunch of such weapons around the world, that's why there is no mention of it in the prophecy. Longclaw, Widow's Wail, Oathkeeper are a Lightbringer.
  12. Valyrians are from Valyria... sure Valyria wasn't the big empire that it's known for but it was there like Martin said in the quote I posted. And Old Ghis existed also during the Long Night. If we look at the timeline it says that after the Long Night, Old Ghis saw that Valyria had dragons, they attacked the dragon lords to try to get their hands on these powerful weapons, 5 wars broke out, the last one launching the expansion of the Valyrian empire. The last war happened 5.000 years. Martin confirmed that the Long Night happened closer to 5.000 years BC. So Valyria was around the Long Night and it's probable that they got the dragons and the spells to forge valyrian/dragonsteel towards the end of the Long Night, that the Children of the Forest are the one who taught them those arts. History is written by the victors... and Alabastur has a great video to explain that aswell with serious proof that the Andals covered up their responsability: ASoIaF Timeline Theory - the Andal Coverup Not sure that you will watch so I'll just reuse the quotes. For the "well documented": So what we know from the Dawn Age was written by the Andals and the Andals didn't know much, same for the Age of Heroes: Like Sam said in A Feast For Crows So we can't really believe in what the Andals wrote, especially if they are responsible for the Long Night. What we think we know of what happened during that time come from the Andals and especially one of their book call "True History" (weird name...) and some accounts from that book are dubious. When a character says that the Long Night happened 8.000 years ago, he is referring to True History but some maesters contest it and we know they are right. Alabastur has a serious argument about that and it's High Heart. He remind us that the Children likes to live beneath hills and weirwoods and that High Heart is a really large hill, a hill that is above the clouds. It also has 31 weirwoods, High Hearts could have been a really important place for the Children, like their capital. But it was destroyed and the Children slaughtered and we have 2 stories of what may have happened: - The first one are from songs/legends. They says that the Children and the First Men team up to protect High Heart from the Andals but they got slaughtered and the weirwood were cut down. - The second version is from the book True History, it says that when the Andals arrived, High Heart was already destroyed and the Children had already left the Riverlands thousands of years before. If True History is right, what did put an end to the Pact between the Children and the First Men leading to the Long Night? They were living in peace together... unless True History is just a covered up, the Children and the First tried to repel the Andals but they got slaughtered, the destruction of High Heart put an end to the Pact and triggered the Long Night, the Others.
  13. Valyria did exist during the Long Night but the dragonsteel could be the first valyrian steel made before the Valyrian started to make it and got famous under the name that it's currently known for. As for the Andals, I doubt Martin made an error, the timeline is blurry because they don't have the same tools that modern society have: But it seems they were already in Westeros during the Long Night, they might be responsible for it when they started to destroy the weirwoods, ending the Pact between the Children and the First Men. Look for @Alabastur works, he made some really strong arguments about these: Who Taught the Valyrians to tame dragons (the post on the forum if you want to talk about it) ASoIaF Timeline Theory: Andals in the Long Night - Game of Thrones Also, it's doubtful that the Others hates iron. The only time it's mentioned, it's by Old Nan. She is reporting tales and superstitions and one of our popular belief is "cold iron": So it's more likely an invention by Old Nan, a superstition, especially since the old books found in the Night's Watch library says that steel is useless against the Others:
  14. Yeah it seems to come from 2 misconceptions: the Five Forts and the gemstones. The Five Forts seems to have been built with dragons and people thinks they were built by the Bloodstone Emperor which would means that they were the first dragonriders. They think the GEotD built the Five Forts because in TwoIaF we can read: It's similar to how people claims that Bran the Builder build a lot of stuff but here's what GRRM has told us about those legendaries figures and such claims: So did the Great Empire of the Dawn build the Five Forts? Probably not, we've heard their legend about the Long Night and there is no mentions of such construction when it was needed the most. Not really weird, the Five Forts would have been useless against the Others, they could have walk between them easily since there is no giant wall... Then we have the gemstones. People think that the ghosts with gemstones eyes in Daenerys dream were the emperors of the GeotD because they were named after gemstones. Be named after gemstones doesn't mean their eyes were the same colours. In Yi-Ti we have the Yellow Emperors and the Orange Emperors, do they have yellow and orange eyes? No. Colours are important for Martin, here's how and why he uses them: So currently we have the Yellow Emperor and the Orange Emperor but if Martin wanted something more fantastical for an ancient kingdom he would not not go with the Purple Emperor or the Green Emperor but with the Amethyst Emperor or Jade Emperor, same for a crazy dream. Yi-Tish people are the descandants of the GeotD and they don't have Valyrians eyes. Valyrians aren't the descendants of the GeotD. And I guess it's an ancient civilization and the Bloodstone Emperor story is pretty cool and it's mysterious, that's part of the appeal. And like you said, there aren't much informartions so it's easier to build a story/theory around that but it's just some worldbuilding, I'm pretty sure Martin knew about the origins of the Others and the Dragonlords when he started writing the books so it's unlikely that the GeotD are the solution since they have never been mentioned in the main books and aren't that important in the world book either.
  15. Martin said it was a magical explanation. I believe in Alabastur's theory Who Taught the Valyrians to Tame Dragons? The seasons are link to elemental forces of nature. Winter is link to Ice and Summer to Fire. One group of people are known to be users of these magical elements: the Children of the Forest. They are call "the Singers" and "Those who sings the songs of Earth". Their magic is call "song" so their nickname means "those who use the magic of Earth/of nature". The Singers made the Others with ice magic, it's their Song of Ice. In a certain way they fucked up and disrupt the forces of nature, ice started to take over the other forces and it lead to a long winter: the Long Night. A hero went to seek their help and convinced them to save the world. To do that they to make another song to counter the Song of Ice, they made the Song of Fire. And who represent the forces of Fire? The Dragonlords. The Song of Ice, the Others, control ice forces, responsible for the long winters and have swords containing ice magic. The song of Fire, the Dragonlords, control fire forces, responsible for the long summers and have steel containing fire magic known in the legends as dragonsteel or Lightbringer.
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