Illiterati
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17 hours ago, Super Mario said:
Agreed. And if the girls are just playacting for Petyr, why in the world would Arya out herself as a Faceless Man? Surely any act they might be staging could survive without Arya laying her 3 aces on the table. Playacting implies they are giving Petyr the info they want him to have, yet there is zero advantage to Petyr knowing just how powerful Arya truly is.
I posted this elsewhere.....
If LF thinks that Arya has a keen mistrust of Sansa to support Jon, and
LF understands that Arya has the wherewithal to take Sansa's likeness after killing her, giving her the avenue both to kill Sansa without repercussion and the power to run WF the way she thinks it should be run in support of Jon, and
LF sees that Brienne has been sent away so that Arya could attack Sansa without Brienne to defend her, then
In LF's logic, he needs only seduce Arya with the idea of killing her sister for the sake of a better realm. In this sense, there is an enormous advantage in knowing Arya is faceless, because it gives him the opening to ply his treachery.
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6 minutes ago, darmody said:
How? Some conversations take place where they can reasonably expect to be overheard. Others happen in private. Do they assume Littlefinger is electronically surveilling them? Even if you say *maybe* someone is always listening even when it's not apparent, Arya, at least, was playacting in silence, when no one could see her. Why?
Why even bother with the charade at all? They can have Littlefinger killed for selling Sansa to the Boltons (in exchange for nothing) or killing their aunt whenever they want. What, are they trying to draw out potential co-conspirators? Is this one giant, elaborate test of his true loyalties? Or is the show just wasting time so they can kill him in the finale.
What she was doing in silence in that conversation was counter to the words she was speaking.
And, wasting time so they can kill him in the finale. His death has to be poetic justice because of the weght of his character in teh beginning of the story. There is no more poetic justice than two girls (he's a pimp), one of them his perennial pigeon, bests him at his own game.
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14 hours ago, duncanthemedium said:
Finally, Petyr's point of view as the expert player of the game of thrones is what the show runners reveal to us. But Petyr doesn't understand that this is not that old game anymore. Not only has Sansa learnt the lessons he painfully taught her in these preceding years and not only can she best him, the skill-set that Arya and Bran have are beyond his calculations and schemes.
I think Lord Baelish will meet his end at the end of this season.
This is the part of your post where we come to full agreement. I think you are underestimating the girls, just as LF is.
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12 hours ago, Super Mario said:
There is definitely something different about Arya and frankly I don't like it. D&D seem to want to take Arya Stark out of the character. I can't tell if it's the writing, directing or Maisie's acting but it just isn't working for me. If they are trying to make her nothing more than a Faceless Man it seems to be failing. While Jaquen H'ghar is cool calm and collected, Arya is just cold. Never was that more clear than in the Arya/Hot Pie scene. This may fit with reason #1, Faceless Men (outside of the House of Black & White) act like hired assassins, vengeance doesn't play into it on their side of things. Meanwhile Arya's wet work at the Twins was nothing but vengeance. Sure she used faces, but the motive and method was pure vengeful psychopath. One thing Arya killing the Freys does make perfectly clear however is that she is most certainly not the Waif. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever the Waif would have bothered with the Freys in any way.
I know I'm being repetitious to the point of spamming, but I believe they have taken her out of character because she is literally out of character, applying her thespian skills to take down LF.
Even so, we saw in Crossroads that Arya (true Arya) has become something that is darker and more detached than what she was when she handed the coin to the ship's captain......An understandable change after HoB&W.
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14 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:
So, a raven flying 125 mph (200 km/h)? That's a raven at the speed of hurricane 5 winds.
Instead of tourneys Westerosi should be holding Formula Raven competitions between House Ferrari and House McClaren.
They are specially bred ravens
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14 minutes ago, JagLover said:
It is 1,000 miles BY ROAD in the show
But 500 leagues as the crow flies in the books (1,500 miles). Hence show Westeros is considerably smaller than book Westeros so all distances cited for the show in this forum, based on the books, are incorrect.
I fully agree that there are many aspects of the catch a wight storyline that are incredible stupid. The problem is people seem to be ascribing anything not fully explained to them as stupidity.
Another example is the Nights King not reaching the wall. On another forum someone pointed out that the Mountain in the background when the NK was created looks remarkably similar to the mountain in this episode. Perhaps he is waiting for full winter where he was created?, which was obviously a place of power.
The crow has a particular Sonic Drive In he likes to hit on the way, which pulls him 500 miles off course.
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7 minutes ago, Pandean said:
I think this is a really good theory (is it a theory? Is there another term I'm not getting?)!
I consider it more an interpretation of events, or maybe a prediction. I like GoT theories to be bigger picture, like Bran as NK.
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3 hours ago, SansaJonRule said:
Wow, you would make a good Sherlock Holmes (the robert downey jr one). I did consider a spy listening outside the door (the handmaid), but the fact that Sansa looked shaken to her core is what made me dismiss the idea of them plotting together (I was actually expecting that). But, you are right, just being reminded of what Arya is capable of would be enough to scare anyone. I did interpret Arya handing the dagger over to Sansa as a reassuring or reconciliatory gesture, but as in "I believe you, I don't mistrust you anymore", believing that their earlier argument was real and then Arya was taunting Sansa to see how she would react first. Your theory is very good, and I hope you are right! I want to like Arya again, for one thing.
I agreed 100% with your reservation. Until Sansa sent Brienne away. Sansa isn't a murderer. There is only one reason she would rationally do this, and that would be because she must be in concert with Arya. I think the director is overplaying both Arya's aggressiveness and Sansa's fear to A: stoke emotional response in viewers and B: throw doubt over who is playing whom. Both of those are audience-facing devices, and the game could have been better portrayed with more subtelty imo.
That is, even if the game is as I think it is....
PS the faces convo happened after she sent Brienne away.
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12 minutes ago, SansaJonRule said:
I considered that seriously, but if they're in cahoots, why the private threat to cut off Sansa's face? I can quite possibly see Arya plotting that on her own though, now that she does seem to believe Sansa about the letter (even though she called he stupid for it).
I'm being redundent as I've posted it before, so apologies to others. In order to trap Littlefinger into persuading Arya to betray Sansa, he needs a carrot, a way for her to do it without interference, and a means for her to get away with it.
The carrot: Arya's displayed angst and mistrust toward Sansa. Mistrust that was expressed in strong, nearly violent terms. LF can sell it as killing off a betrayer of Starks for the good of the family and the North.
How to get away with it: By wearing Sansa's face after the murder. She couldn't have murdered Sansa if Sansa is right here standing in front of you, right? LF would also have a more cunning and brutal partner in Arya-as-Sansa, right? The purpose of the faces thing with Sansa wasn't to scare Sansa, it was to offer to LF that there is a means to get away with it. Remember that everything said gets back to him.
Interference: Brienne fought Arya to a draw. If the plan backfires and Sansa lives, LF is dead. Sansa excused Brienne from WF to give LF confidence that there would be no interference from Brienne when he seduces Arya to kill Sansa. This is also what clues me that Sansa is part of the sting, not just Arya acting independently.
Now with the dagger, I believe she just did that as a reassuring gesture to Sansa, reminding her that they are just playing a game and Arya is acting out well enough to actually scare Sansa. note that all of Arya's words would make it back to LF from beyond that closed door, but the silent visual of handing her the blade would not.
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10 minutes ago, SansaJonRule said:
LF asked Sansa what would happen if there was a conflict between her and Arya - surely Brienne would step in and settle it. People have suggested he would try to use Brienne against Arya. Maybe Sansa sensed he was scheming something like that and felt the best thing to do was send Brienne off to thwart whatever he might be planning. That's the most logical thing I've been able to come up with.
My most logical reason is that the sisters are baiting LF to commit a convictable treason, and it is less likely to happen if Brienne is afoot. Specifically, I think Arya is entrapping LF to recruit her to kill Sansa and take her place using her face. Brienne's absence leaves the pathway to that end more open.
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1 hour ago, Iona said:
Not going into the muddy area of predicting-and-stuff, but could someone confirm if we had one single scene in this episode with Arya and Littlefinger both in it?
This gives me even more confidence that Arya is playing him. He's getting his own medicine. Most of what he's done has been dropping words that influence others, and he is nowhere near the shit when it hits the fan, Lysa a dramatic exception. The fact that you don't SEE LF strengthens my belief that she is playing to him.
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I gave it a solid 9. frozen lake seemed a bit incredible, but I love the intensity of Maisie's acting in this one.
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Don't you mean shameless plug?
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3 hours ago, rickyjazz said:
Like the novel, is all the characters are died in the end of the Game of thrones?
We don't know that's what happened in the novels. The novels have not ended yet.
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1 minute ago, Lurid Jester said:
K, cool. Thought that was it but not sure. In a forum like this though, probably just safer to nuke those conversations. But maybe they just hid/locked them and will unlock on Sunday.
Maybe?
Actually, there were no reveals in the threads at the point I read them. Just some folks saying they had watched it. Either it went south after that, or the mods are being pre-emptive, which is a good idea.
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Lol I know what kin means. I don't believe he would revenge his family, except by stealing something from Dany.
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1 minute ago, Hound's She-Wolf 2 said:
Or lack of living men to work.
Or both...
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If they are tuning in for the quality of the story, then they have been watching a different series than me from around Season 5 forward.
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I predict the Night's Watch will be disbanded for lack of work at the end of the series.
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1 hour ago, norwaywolf123 said:
- Daenerys burned Randyll and Dickon Tarly making way for Samwell to become head of house tarly. After the Tyrells died out i assume that house Tarly is the rulers of the reach.
- I wonder how daenerys burning the tarlys will affect her relationship with jon aswell as samwell? Also how will it jons relationship with dany affect his relationship with samwell. Will samwell try to avenge his kin?
Samwell, avenge his kin?
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29 minutes ago, Queen of Winter said:
Oh, I know--I get what you're saying. It just seems odd to me that after dragons being gone for so long, that we don't see someone raise the question of how she got her hands on them/where they came from.
The legend of Danaerys, Mother of Dragons, had already reached Westeros long before she did.
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1 minute ago, TheSwordofTheMorning7 said:
I know this is show not books, but if Jamie was a Targ, Drogonwould not have tried to BBQ him.....
I don't know about that. Jamie was a clear threat to mama, and dragons are said to be intelligent.
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I gave it a 7, which is low by my rating standard. Not lower because I did enjoy the Arya scenes. And some of the one liners were decent.
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36 minutes ago, BradDoty08 said:
So did those 7 guys + whoever went with them that went searching for White Walkers at least bring dragon glass with them? Maybe make some weapons out of it? Or are they going out with their useless weapons that only work against wights?
Also, why isn't this season 10 episodes? Is it because of the budget? Seems like everything is so rushed. Would an extra 3 episodes really drag things out and make them add more pointless stuff?
Perhaps they have pocketfulls of obsidian stones they will hurl at the wight walkers hahahaha
[Spoilers] EP706 Discussion
in E06: Beyond the Wall
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I guess I didn't make myself clear either. There is a HUGE advantage for the Stark girls in LF knowing Arya is faceless, but not knowing they know he knows.....
It will entice him to come up with his brilliant master plan of seducing Arya to kill Sansa and wear Sansa's face to run the North the way Arya thinks it should be run. Only problem is, they planted the idea in LF's mind the same way he plants ideas in the minds of others.....therefore, he's dying by the sword by which he has lived.