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  1. Ser Micaelys

    Minor characters you wanna see win and why?

    A lot of good ones already listed. I have a huge soft spot for Rickon, though he is from a major family I would currently class him as having a minor role. He is so young and without time jump I think his options are limited but I don't know at the back of my heart and head I am cheering for little Rickon, hoping if there is a Winterfell when it all ends that Rickon carries on the Stark lineage and rules the north and helps the wildings integrate into society.
  2. some ideas are alright, at least interesting even if you think it's not real. I quickly avoided OotGH videos, I feel they've created their own little background story and it's just way too much guesswork. Push comes to shove they may be against R+L=J and though that theory might have been a more surprising reveal if the books came out quicker, at least that is simple and clean and makes sense, you don't need a whole background to explain it away.
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    Where are Tyrion’s bastards?

    i get the impression he only sleeps with prostitutes. they probably don't want to get pregnant and take care of things, they cannot prove the child is a Lannister so what would be the point. I also don't think Tyrion would go for a virgin prostitute, he seems the type who would like an experienced prostitute who is good at pretending and can hide their disgust of him.
  4. different people have different, surely by looking at the real world we see that beautiful women come in all shapes, colours and variety. Different people are attracted to different things and one possible 'flaw' could be insignificant compared tp the rest of them. Some people will look at a person and not find them attractive at all while another will think they are very, very beautiful. Some people think petite and small is more attractive, others like tall women, some like skinny women with little curves others prefer busty women and/or a larger behind. Some like fair skin, some darker, or all those in between. All these beautiful women could all be beautiful with people ranking them differently due to their own tastes, I know many people in real life who are very taken with the dark hair and light eyes (blue, grey) combination. Some people are really attracted to the rare, the opposite, or some people like beauty that reflects themselves. These are books, I don't see how we can argue over who is more attractive and just how attractive they are. It really baffles me that due to a long face description that means apparently someone is a write off, I've seen that expressed a lot on this site. If a longer face is the worse insult that can be thrown at a person I think we should really question how 'ugly' a person is.
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    Is unbroken Male descent important in Westeros?

    I really don't understand why you replied this to my post. I could say nuh duh. Perhaps reread my post I get the impression you don't understand it. Nothing you respond says nope to anything I wrote. For example, the Baratheon's are not any less prestigious because they are Baratheon's not Durrandon's, if saying they descend from the Durrandon's through the female line makes them lesser it wouldn't be mentioned, it is mentioned to add status. The same reason the other families claim female descent, it doesn't make them greater than a related family with pure male line, if it did they would have inherited it, it simply makes them greater than what they would have been without the claim, I would think that is patently obvious. It would be less IF there was a ruling male line house but it's the Baratheon's who got the power and then eventually became the Royal family of the seven kingdoms. Whether the claimant is male or female, from a male or female line, if they win the claim and their line succeeds and successfully carries on the house it is not ''lesser" than any other house. The OP is about the status of the house not an individual claimant at times of inheritance or disputes. Is there anything in the story that is patently obvious that the Baratheon, Martell, Lannister or any other house is considered lesser due to female descent over other houses because they have unbroken make descent? Is it ever even specifically mentioned that a house even has an unbroken male line?
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    Is unbroken Male descent important in Westeros?

    I think it's important at times of inheritance, it seems the ideal heir is the father's eldest son to his eldest son and so on, mirroring the typical real world preference. Honestly it makes much more sense for bloodlines, inheritance and names to go from the mothers side, mother to daughter and so on, as you always know the biological mother and the father cannot be guaranteed. But I don't think it adds or lessens prestige, just like Prince William isn't any less an heir, royal or special in England because his grandmother is the Queen instead of a grandfather being a King, he will inherit and become King. I think the difference is not being of the male line but the MAIN line. The Starks are the ruling house, they have not taken a different surname and been supplanted by another house whether the blood descent is the same or not. It's my impression the inherited female line keep their surname if they are inheriting and it's more prestigious than their husbands, maybe I have this wrong but isn't even Harry the Heir expected to change to an Arryn if/when he inherits. So what I am getting at is when the houses claim descent through the female line they are ADDING prestige by saying even if the house is officially blah blah blah look at this cool ancestor we have, look at the rights we could have. It's explaining why the last name is different. House Baratheon are from the female Durrandon line and known and said because they are Baratheons not Durrandon's. Even if the Stark's at one point or more times went through the line of a female heir it doesn't matter because the Stark's still rule, it doesn't need to be said their from any Stark line, they don't need to say we descend from the Stark's through the female line it would be redundant. Unless someone has crowed about coming from an unbroken male line it's not important as long as you are the main ruling family, the recent male line is important at specific times of inheritance, it gives you a better claim the closer you are to the seat but there are always other claims and sometimes that direct line is ignored for other reasons eg. Egg (over an infant).
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    How far will Arya go to kill her enemies?

    Some of the opinions here surprise me, it is interesting how people can read the same text but walk away with such different takes on it. I honestly cannot see Arya being in the 'burn them all' sort of killer crazy to just kill one person especially considering the acts that get people on her list. A but of a contradiction there. Perhaps killing all the Lannisters and their lackeys, placing guilt on some minor people or those who just follow orders. But my impression is Arya is not turning into a nameless heartless thoughtless robot assassin but instead will be unable to let go of Arya Stark and follow orders blindly, as is she is trying to justify her actions to fit her own morals when the two butt heads she will need to make a choice. Only time will tell how the books will unfold. I do no get the impression Arya is insane, I think there aren't any truly insane pov characters. They may make choices that appear insane to us but they all have their reasons, even if they're f'd. I would think if Arya planned to kill Cersei she would not have to blow up KL or something crazy like that, she would use her brains, her stealth and her skills. I also don't see Arya's actions any worse than any soldier or survivor elsewhere in the story, she does not go out of her way to cause pain or kill, and she has reasoning for her kills. Maturity might make her see other options but due to the society she lives in I can understand why she looks to death, after all she has been taught who gives the sentence swings the sword. Westerosi justice is a bit backwards. Arya is not much different to the other females in the story, the only difference is she is more likely to do things herself instead of allowing or manipulating men to do it for her, or to sit around and just let things unfold in front of her. Proactive.
  8. I don't doubt it at all. If Cersei was married to Rhaegar she would still have the main problem that her marriage to Robert had, her husband doesn't think she's as good as she thinks she is, the repercussions of that would just be different. Cersei would fall back to Jaime not just because she can, not just because it's the closest thing she can get to f* herself but because of how Jaime treats her and what she thinks he will do for her, it's an ego boost. Rhaegar would do so many things well in their marriage except be wrapped around her finger and blindly love her. I think she would have his children, at first at least, I think she would want those beautiful Targ babies but I wouldn't be surprised if a few twincest babies slipped pass or she didn't know who the real father was. I'm curious to know what she would do once Rhaegar left her for Lyanna Stark, not so meek as Elia I assume, and I wonder how she would then treat Rhaegar's children once true hate came into it.
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    Robert died before made king

    In the situation that the rebellion still wins, Rhaegar is dead and the sack of kings landing still happens but Robert is dead before the sack or possibly on way or after killing Rhaegar, I think Tywin comes into play a bit. In the what if game I see a few possible resolutions to help stop the war, I would think the best way is to try to please as many people. Rebellion was mainly to overthrow Aerys and over the kidnapping of Lyanna, without Robert's Targ hate it could end very differently. I don't see the remaining people so opposed to supporting a Targ claimant especially if it ends the killing and brings piece and means their heads aren't still wanted. A long regency may not be the ideal unless you want to take control and need the time to stabilize things and brings the two sides of the war back together, and if a marriage pact sweetens the deal too. I can def see a young heir being supported. Aegon if after Robert's death Tywin makes it clear he doesn't want the babe killed so it could be a pawn in his game, Jon Arryn could be his regent. Viserys I think would have a good chance, he is older, would be a shorter regency, I could see Tywin having Cersei marry him instead. Those of Robert's Rebellion can be pardons, have positions in the small council. If R+L=J is true and Jon is illegitimate, and Aegon is still dead he could have a claim as rightful heir, without having to protect him from Robert and if the Kings guard is not killed at ToJ and are with him, this is Ned's nephew, he could brings all the factions together. It's a long regency because he is newborn which is the downside, but if it means peace and the right people are part of his regency it might be a pleasing offer to many, the remaining Targs can have Dragonstone. I see in this situation Tywin trying to make a good match of Cersei still, perhaps Edmure or Stannis, a close tie to Ned could mean Tywin could get a grandchild on the thrown instead of a child by marrying Cersei's daughter to baby Jon. I think if it all happens as the books except Robert dies stannis would have a chance, pressing the same claim as Robert as a Targ cousin and taking Aerys' line from the succession. He is older, he is not married at this point so Tywin can marry Cersei to him, he would be head of Storm's End, and Ned and Jon Arryn could pick him for the claim and as Robert's heir if they don't press their claim by right of conquest. Or the Lannisters claim it's theirs by right of conquests and the rest accept it or war continues. Possibly the seven kingdoms break up too. I think without a clear Robert figure head, an easy choice, and without his interferences of the clean up of the Targs, there would be more options that they would have to weigh up. It really depends on what they can get away with and how it benefits the ones with the power to 'choose'. Those in power don't want it to be too messy, it has to make some sort of sense, a valid excuse otherwise they are creating a dangerous precedent that weakens the claimant and opens up to more rebellion, puts their own claims and that of their future lines at risk.
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    Who would betroth their daughter to Gregor Clegane?

    that's exactly what came to my mind, someone with little sympathy who has too many girls he needs to get rid of
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    So, how well will the Northern lords take

    I think it'll be natural for many to not be happy but faced with the fact that the north is between the force of the others and Daenerys and her dragons. Rebel against them or fight for their lives along side them? hopefully their stubbornness won't kill them all. And it's not really a question of Sansa's rights, ahead of her is Bran who seems more than happy to give it up for Jon so if it's a matter of people using the Stark excuse they'll have to go against that as well. I think it'll make more sense for it to be presented as an alliance not a bending the knee situation, before Westeros Dany talking about marrying for political reasons, on this boat trip a betrothal or wedding could be organised and then place the Stark's as warden's of the North again and get back to surviving and then get rid of Cersei.
  12. I never got the connection with Elizabeth I. ooh both have red hair must end up being a spinster queen. That being said Sansa is my least fave Stark I have always pictured her ending up as a lady but without the frivolous views she had as a child. Prob won't happen but I see her as regent in the North to Rickon, a girl can dream he won't vanish in the story forever, or Lady of the Vale through marriage to someone. Pick up on her games and ends up having her cousin or Harry the heir wrapped around her finger.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    hi. While out today wearing a GoT shirt I was stopped by another fan and ended up in a ASOIAF convo with a complete stranger for about an hour, as you do. Two things we disagreed about was he was insistent that the Starks are originally wildlings and that the targaryens and starks have married before. He used a family tree in some official book he has that I don't. I was like nuh... does anyone know if there is truth in what he is saying. as far as I am aware the starks from wildings I can only relate to the tale of bael the bard. and the only targ stark alliance would be the planned wedding in the act that never happened, they're probably related from other houses that have married into both. Is there a book with some giant family tree that says house strak was founded by wildlings and the targ/starks have married before?
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    Stark men are not so Stark

    i think this is a stretch. arya and lyanna and jon look like ned too, so if they look like the old starks then so does ned but he is used as evidence to the opposite. also I think the look passing on is a myth, we don't hear about a heap of portraits, they don't have the technology to have a great record of what people actually looked like. I wouldn't even put too much power into the lineage book. the stark statues... well, there's many great works that don't really resemble the person exactly or even well at all. art was romanticised, features changed to be appropriate. Also the areas have mainly had children with the same area and families, this is going to keep certain things coming back again and again. Most northerners have brown hair. People say the Stark kids look more like Catelyn, but bran and rickon are really young and features change for kids. they could have many features but different colouring. As already said Bran thought that young Benjen could be him. all the auburn hair with the starks kids shows me is that ned carries the red hair gene. black is a dominant colour, not a shock it would be prevalent in the Baratheon line especially with marrying cousins and possibly to same vessels over and over again. there could have been some with dark brown hair or just brown hair that have been lost in time, I can imagine a description of dark hair could realistically be assumed black because people expect that.
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    sansa, arya, and dany

    to add on to above Dany also has the respect of many people and power, something Sansa tries and isn't as successful (imo). I predict Sansa will be unimpressed. I can imagine Arya sizing Dany up, and I imagine she will respect Dany but be ready to slit her throat if she feels like Dany deserves it.
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