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  1. dsjj251

    The Blacks or the Greens?

    Im talking about the maesters, who predate the Andals.
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    The Blacks or the Greens?

    The Blacks obviously. The weird thing is that FaB clearly states the Blacks won, and that Aegon is Rhaenyra's heir, not Aegon's and yet she is officially never called queen. It puts more weight behind the conspiracy theories about certain factions not supporting female rulers.
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    The Blacks or the Greens?

    Laenor and Laena are like 1/32 Andal so that doesnt make much sense.
  4. Fair enough. But do we know the timeline ? Did the Fossoways swear alliance to Stannis before or after the Tyrells aligned with Joffery ?
  5. Not both branches of Fossoway , just one. And Alekyne is seeking refuge with his sister's House, which is reasonable. It doesnt mean the Hightowers would turn on the Tyrells which is actually what is being argued here. Every House mentioned in the post I responded to which are claimed to have the ability to be "disloyal" all have blood ties to not only the Tyrells as a whole, but to the Lord himself.
  6. Of Course, the biggest problem with this argument is that Mace is married to a Hightower and the Lord of the Hightower is the maternal grandfather to Lord Mace's children. Lord Fossoway(Green) is married to Mace's sister. Garlan is also married to a Fossoway, not sure from which branch. Mace is half Redwyne and his sister is married to their lord and has 3 children including his heir. A Redwyne(possibly Olenna's niece) is married to lord Rowan as well. So the Tyrells should have the backing of the biggest army and biggest fleet in the Reach. If the Tyrells actually get usurped, it honestly wouldnt make sense.
  7. The distance between the edge of the Westerlands along the Gold Road to Kings Landing is about equal from the Ruby Ford to Kings Landing. Seems to me Tywin was simply waiting on word on when to march, he may honestly not have even cared who won.
  8. One from each region. The North: Dustin Riverlands: Mallister Vale: Royce Westerlands : Lannister of Lannisport /Farman Crownlands : Velaryon Reach: Florent Stormlands: Tarth Dorne; Dayne Iron Islands: Harlaw
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    Daenerys (very likely) has Stark ancestry

    The context of "only Starks and Targaryens " is with in the current story. Not all history. So their bloodlines are at least special. never argued they were the only ones in all of history. Bloodraven himself being half Blackwood. As for the the First Men origins and such. The Vale was indeed the first conquered, but first men werent destroyed. Royce, Hunter, and Upcliff, are all first men houses and all of them married into House Arryns. regardless. No house is 100% First Men or Andal blood.
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    Daenerys (very likely) has Stark ancestry

    I think both the Greyjoy-Lannister marriage and the Durrandon-Blackwood marriage actually add to the story and give back story to either why Argilac needed Aegon and why everyone hates the Iron Islands. We dont really need that backstory for the Starks.
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    Daenerys (very likely) has Stark ancestry

    I dont have that same feeling as you. Seems to me, marriages happened between Kingdoms and to vassals werent all that special. the best example is Arlec III Durrandon marrying his son to a Blackwood when they were vassels to the royal Teagues. Lannisters and Greyjoys married atleast once before the Conquest as well, the Starks married other royal families in the North to bring them into their kingdoms as well.
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    Daenerys (very likely) has Stark ancestry

    except the warging ability and flying dragons. Its one of the few things that only the Starks and Targaryens can do. As for the entirety of the thread, It seems its more accurate to say everyone has Blackwood DNA than anything else. Also, it seems the Starks married into a first men houses outside of the North, the Royces and Blackwoods being the best examples.
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    Great Houses - Valyrian Steel Sword Names?

    My point is that the seem to have never been impoverished .
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    Question Regarding Taboos in Westeros

    The person I responded to said the Lannisters intermarried with the Lannisters of Lannisport all the time . As of right now, we only have 1 example of that .
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    Great Houses - Valyrian Steel Sword Names?

    House Royce were once Kings of the Mountain , the Fingers, and the Vale. And seem to be very prominent the last 300 years. And Little Finger doesnt seem to have any power over them in his debt scheme so they must be at least financially independent.
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    Question Regarding Taboos in Westeros

    I see no evidence of that. We have decent Lannister Family tree for the last 300 years. I dont see any examples of them marrying Lannisters of Lannisport. Heck we only have 2 examples of them marrying cousins. One is Tywin, the other is his brother marrying a Marbrand( their mother was a Marbrand )
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    Great Houses - Valyrian Steel Sword Names?

    Tyrell = Oak ( from Gardener ) Martell = Unburnt Arryn = Moonrise Greyjoy = Iron Baratheon = Godsgrief (from Durrandon) Tully = Streamer House Velaryon = High Tide
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    Question Regarding Taboos in Westeros

    While it is common for cousin to marry cousin, the Lannisters dont seem to have practiced it.
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    Renly winning would have been a disaster.

    We dont know the exact moment Viserys was crowned, but at the time of Aerys' death itself, Viserys would have had the backing of the Reach, Dorne,a few houses in the Vale and parts of the riverlands and Crownlands By contrast, Aegon II had The Stormlands,Westerlands, part of the Reach, some of the crownlands, and a few houses in the Riverlands. Remember, those Houses didnt bend the knee when Aerys fell, they did so when Ned marched on Storm's End. But your logic just supports mine. If he ever sees Viserys as king with so few followers and clearly being defeated, then Rhaenyra should also be considered a Queen in his eyes.
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    Renly winning would have been a disaster.

    So your argument hinges on there not being 2 ruling kings/Queens at once ? If Viserys stopped being king simply because Robert was crowned then the same is true of Aegon II and Rhaeynra when she took the Iron Throne.
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    Renly winning would have been a disaster.

    Dude chill, all these debates are in good fun. But you have been wrong alot, either out right or because you were trying to nitpick and claim the books didn't have those exact words. Don't get frustrated, but also, don't go looking for an argument for the sake of arguing .
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    How powerful are the Royces?

    the very website you are on says that was the reason.
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    How powerful are the Royces?

    He is being obtuse man, he needs the book to say the exact words " I withdrew my troops because Roose is Warden and Ramsey is his son" or it doesnt count. Which is funny because he doesnt question why manderly ends up sending men in other capacities after Roose is Warden, its just the Hornwood war he questions. He may genuinely just be bored and argumentative.
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    Renly winning would have been a disaster.

    You keep defining things as if the histories of Westeroes are concrete and agreed upon by all, and they arent. You also keep saying GRRM himself when that isnt true either. All the histories are written by his characters,and he says his characters are wrong about many things. Even fire and blood shows Aegon 2 didnt actually name Aegon 3 his heir. The blacks were about to take the city, Aegon 2 was killed and Aegon 3 placed on the throne as Rhaeynra's heir in the view of the Blacks. The Blacks do not have sway in the histories of Westeros as the centers of knowledge in the country are in Old Town. as for the one question you keep asking me to answer, when did I ever propose that I was arguing that in the first place ? IM not sure what exactly you are trying to attribute that to me.
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    Renly winning would have been a disaster.

    Thats not even close to true since atleast 5 Targaryen kings picked multiple heirs after their first born sons died. Maegor was by definition a usurper, again his claim to Aerea was never my point, it was Jaeherys, Why are you pretending you dont understand ? You are talking yourself into circles here trying to avoid my point , LOL Not moot at all. If the line is as concrete as you claim, then there should be no debate, thats your entire point. And yes, I asked all of them. I have named at least 4 already. 6 of the 9 regions recognized her as Queen. She was queen. GRRM states his characters are biased and are wrong a lot. His own fictional histories stating that positive accounts of some characters were wiped from history by later monarchs for some reason or another, Rhaenyra being one of the key figures that happened to. Multple groups also being against women in power. so. legitimate heir, controlled majority of the kingdom, ruled dragonstone. Your Stannis quote is laughable. It was never Aegon's crown. so she is no usurper or traitor.
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