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  1. I wonder who our PoV will be for this. I hope it's someone other than Bran.
  2. This is what I believe too. Everyone knows that trying to storm Winterfell would be suicide, especially with the state of Stannis's army at the moment. So that's definitely not going to happen. The real battle will be near the crofter's village, and whatever happens in Winterfell will be more akin to a betrayal and quick massacre, ala a Red Wedding, than an actual battle. I seriously doubt that Martin would bother writing two separate battles and give us POVs for both - the ice lake, and Winterfell. Plus he called it the Battle of Ice, not the Battle of Winterfell. That should be the biggest hint that there won't be a battle at Winterfell.
  3. With my current reread of Dance, I'll put forward the suggestion of Dany's "plan" to rule Meereen, which seems to boil down to "If I'm a really nice person maybe they'll just leave me alone". She receives good advice from several people around her - Barristan urges her to send the army out to fight their enemies in the field because they don't have the food to survive a siege, Daario urges her to massacre the slaver families after luring them in so she has no enemies inside the city, Skahaz urges her not to marry Hizdahr because he is almost certainly one of the Sons of the Harpy; a few people urge her to unleash her dragons on her enemies like a true Targaryen would have, since they're her best tool; even King Cleon urges her to join with him to help take down Yunkai, their common foe who has been plotting against them the whole time. She ignores all of it, because it would violate her plan on being "a really nice person" and just sitting in her Pyramid and sort of.... hoping it all just goes away...? I don't even know if it can be called a plan. She rejects every single proposed plan that could have put her in a better situation, and her own "plan" seems to be to throw away every possible advantage she has and instead severely expose herself and her people to danger from all sides because she wasn't willing to make the hard choices. Being all nice and diplomatic and patient might work if you're in the shoes of someone like Doran Martell or Rodrik Harlaw, but it doesn't work when you're surrounded by enemies in the most hostile place in the known world as Slaver's Bay is.
  4. I agree with all of this. Takes me back to a time when the writers on the show invented actually good original material that fit in seamlessly with Martin's writing. Although a couple of those examples wouldn't work with the POV structure that Martin uses - like Jaime wasn't a POV in the first book, and it'd be weird to give him only one just for that scene, and Ned's execution was from Arya's POV so we wouldn't see or hear him saying that to Yoren. But yeah other than that these are all very good examples.
  5. So long as Stannis puts aside his jealousy about Ned and Robert, he'd work with Ned immediately and there'd be no prolonged investigation that necessitates involving Baelish and Varys. Most of the work had already been done by Arryn. When Stannis and Ned are satisfied that they have the "evidence" they need, they'll argue about what to do. Ned would still want to warn Cersei so she can take her children and flee; Stannis would have no such qualms, and would tell Robert immediately. This would at best lead to Cersei and the children being imprisoned, and at worst executed. However, if Robert dies before this can happen, Stannis would do Ned tried to do and stage a coup, except he wouldn't be stupid enough to trust Baelish, he'd use Baratheon men-at-arms to do it. And then Cersei and the children would be imprisoned and/or executed. The Small Council would be purged, too; Varys, Baelish and Pycelle would all be removed (one way or another). If Stannis was smart he'd make Ned his Hand, but Ned would probably refuse because he wants to go back home, and because he's angry at Stannis executing Cersei's children. Stannis would need the support of powerful lords in the war with the Lannisters, so he'd need to keep Renly on side somehow. This might be more difficult than anything else, considering their very strained relationship and Renly's abition and complete lack of honour and loyalty. If Stannis really wanted a strong anti-Lannister government, he should invite the Dornish to send their representative to the city to become Hand. The Dornish would be practically salivating at the chance to get completely lawful revenge on Tywin and the Lannisters with the backing of the Iron Throne. The Tyrells are the wildcard here. I'm not sure if they'd be willing to rebel against the Iron Throne if Stannis has already seized it and wiped out the "rightful" heirs (i.e. Joffrey and Tommen); they'd have no pretext except "Stannis is cruel and his younger brother is nicer and cuter".
  6. You've made many comments where you consistently prioritise giving female PoVs more chapters than male ones. You're the one with the problem.
  7. I disagree with every single thing you said, and there's really no point arguing around in circles about it, so we'll just leave it at that. We obviously have very different understandings of the books and Martin's intentions.
  8. I wasn't referring to your comment specifically. But Jon's storyline is more important than either of the others. Not only is he the guy in charge of defending Westeros from the Others - the biggest and most important threat in the entire series - but he's also overseeing the mass-migration of the wildlings south of the Wall, as well as interfering in Northern politics to try and create a new political order. And all of this is in only one book. It's absolute madness to remove Jon's chapters, and can't be seen as anything else except your own biased personal dislike of the character. Melisandre does nothing of relevance in Dance except replace Mance as Rattleshirt. Jon ignores most of which she says, and even her own interpretations of her visions are wrong. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean she's more important than Jon. Those two specific PoV storylines have a proper conclusion for their book character-arcs, yes, but there are larger and more important things going on than Theon and Asha's personal journeys. The showdown between Stannis and the Boltons is the most important thing to happen in the North thus far in the series, and most of the book was building up to it. It's straight-up bad writing to leave it on a cliffhanger. Martin had never done that before - the first three books all ended with the main conflicts of that specific book being resolved in some way. It's not the battle itself that's important, but the changing political situation that results from it that is. Despite being extremely long, Dance is simply an unfinished book, as even Martin himself admits. He was not happy about not being able to include the two battles. I don't have a problem with her Feast and Dance chapters, since there's only five of them, and they contain actually new and interesting things in them that we haven't seen in other PoVs. The same cannot be said for her Clash and Storm chapters.
  9. So a lot of the ideas I've seen in this thread seem very radical and extreme and would basically completely change how the series develops, which I think is ridiculous. People should realise that just because a series doesn't unfold the way they personally want it to, doesn't mean it's bad. Most of the changes I'd make are more to do with structure and pacing, rather than specific story and character changes. Have Jon spend more time with the wildlings, ideally before they march on the Wall. Jon's strong sense of sympathy towards them, and the whole faux-conflict of "Oh no, maybe I really am a wildling at heart!" didn't feel particularly earned in the series as it is, since he's only with them for six chapters, half of which are about them preparing to mount an attack on the Wall. I'd even go so far as to say that he should have spent most of the book with them, to really flesh out the wildling society, their culture, and how it changes Jon's attitudes and gets him to question his role in life. Storm of Swords is a very long book, but Jon's storyline feels extremely rushed, especially on rereads. Severely cut down on the amount of Arya chapters in Clash and Storm. On my recent reread of the series, her chapters were such a chore to get through, knowing that they are completely irrelevant to the larger story. People criticise Brienne's chapters in Feast for being pointless, even though there's only 8 of them, but praise Arya's when there's 23 of them? Her multi-book storyline consists almost solely of "so she wanders through the countryside, gets captured by some people, is a prisoner for a while, feels lonely and angry, then escapes, wanders around some more, sees a few burned villages, gets captured again, feels lonely and angry again, then escapes again, but guess what? She just got captured again! But it won't be for long, she'll escape again soon, of course." Just over and over and over again. Brienne's storyline covered all of the same themes that Arya's did, and better and more efficiently. Cut down the amount of PoVs in the Iron Islands and Dorne to only one character each, and give them a bunch more chapters. The Iron Islands can be seen from Victarian's PoV, while Dorne can be seen through Arianne's. Give them at least six chapters each, to really flesh out these peripheral regions and make them feel like more than just a distraction. Reduce the many filler chapters in Dance (mostly Tyrion and Dany) so as to be able to include both the Battle of Meereen and the Battle of Winterfell at the end of the book. Ending the book before either of these were resolved was the single biggest pacing mistake in the entire series, and I can't believe Martin was okay with leaving it like that. It makes the book feel insultingly anti-climactic, and it's going to make Winds feel extremely weirdly paced, if we ever get it.
  10. Does anyone know that it was Roose Bolton that killed Robb Stark? I know Martin described him as wearing his armour when he did it, but does that mean he was wearing a helmet too, to obscure his face?
  11. There aren't any major battles in Feast/Dance like there were in the first three books. There's no Green Fork or Whispering Wood or Blackwater or the Wall. The largest battle is the taking of the Shield Isles, which could be done easily by just having a couple of ships knocked into each other, 30 or 40 guys in a moshpit, and some CG burning ships in the background. All of the other action setpieces would be very small-scale, basically just fights, not battles, e.g. Brienne vs the Brave Companions, Arys vs Hotah. The siege of Riverrun doesn't involve any fighting, just a big army camped out around it (pretty easy to use CGI with).
  12. Well, it wouldn't, because Ned gave her a warning to leave and take her children while she still could. That's.... the entire reason why he warned her, to make sure they could escape without being harmed. Have we even read the same books....?
  13. This thread is about our own opinions. That poster was merely stating their own. They weren't stating it as an objective fact. Chill out.
  14. How about we just simplify it and say "crashes down and kills everyone that isn't Daenerys"?
  15. I think Tywin is the only correct answer. Everything else is just the standard Stark/Jon seething that Stark haters on this board like to indulge in.
  16. Interesting. Why do you think that book specifically was the best, and not Storm? To me Clash has always been the odd one out of the 'Act 1 trilogy', because it neither begins nor ends the story/character arcs, and it feels plodding and inconclusive by its very nature. It doesn't have nearly as many iconic and significant events as either Thrones nor Storm do, nor as many big character developments.
  17. Totally agreed. Compared to the rest of the Stark family, she's such a tired stereotype. The whole "girl with a haunted past that defies societal norms to become a fighter/assassin/rogue" is so lame and cliche. All of the other Starks - Eddard, Catelyn, Bran, Sansa - are more original and nuanced in their characterisation, and subtly subvert genre tropes. Arya does not. Martin's admitted favouritism for her is one of the biggest flaws of the series, in my opinion. Her storyline in books 2 and 3 is especially bad, because it has literally no impact on the larger storyline whatsoever, and is mind-numbingly repetitive - was it really necessary to have nigh-on 25 CHAPTERS about her wandering around the riverlands and getting captured by everyone and then escaping and then getting captured again and then escaping again? And after reading the eighth or ninth description of a burned village and slaughtered populace, it becomes excessive. We get it. The war in the riverlands was awful. You got your point across. Brienne's PoV chapters in Feast do practically everything that Arya's tried to do, and much better and more intelligently.
  18. Agreed. I'd argue that her PoV is one of the most unique in the entire series. The idea of seeing a huge war through the perspective not of the heroic young king, but his mother, is very original, and I can't think of any other fantasy story that does this. Unlike Robb and his bannermen and friends, she doesn't glorify their war or celebrate battles, she just wants it to end, even if it means retreating and admitting defeat. Her love for her family was stronger than her desire to win the war and get justice/revenge. Her entire Storm storyline has this feeling of immense tragedy and doom about it, especially on rereads. The masterful writing makes it feel like the world just keeps getting darker and colder around her, and smaller, and that they're being forced onto a path that they can't turn back from, as much as she desperately wants to. None of this would have been possible if Robb was the PoV instead, as many people wanted (people more interested in battles than characters).
  19. I think their reasoning is that they wanted the cast to adhere to what the screenplays and direction intended for their character, not the books, so as to not play their character in an inconsistent manner. I can see the logic in that, although since the quality of the show's writing was vastly inferior to the books, all it meant was that we were seeing an inferior depiction of characters. All D&D had to do was just copy-paste the dialogue from the book directly into the screenplay (like what the Coens did with No Country for Old Men) and people would have rightly said the show had the best writing in TV history. But I think their egos got in the way of that; they didn't want to acknowledge that Martin was a far better writer than they were. Ego is a hell of a thing to put aside for some people.
  20. But Jaime knows that the "Arya" in Winterfell isn't the real Arya. Or do you mean that he'd intentionally mislead Stoneheart? I don't think the Night's Watch ranges as far north as Bran is. Bran and co. are basically in the Land of Always Winter, unmapped territory; that's too far for the Watch to range, who usually limit themselves to the Haunted Forest.
  21. Very difficult question indeed. The conflict between duty and honour is one that both Ned and Jon struggled with in their own ways. I could see plausible arguments for both decisions. I think with Ned and Theon, it'd depend entirely on how old Theon was if Balon rebelled again. The trauma of Aegon and Rhaenys's deaths still deeply affected Ned even fifteen years later, and Ned brings about his own downfall because he refuses to put other childrens' lives at risk (Cersei's children), so if Theon was younger than, say, 13 or 14, I don't see it happening. But a teenage Theon? Perhaps. I'm still not sure. Ned was cold and dutiful, but he wasn't ruthless like lords such as Tywin, Stannis or Randyll Tarly are. I actually think there's a higher chance of Jon carrying through with the threat than Ned, both because he seems to be a more coldly pragmatic man than Ned, and also because the situation he's in would have been far more dire than another Greyjoy Rebellion. It's important to note that the threat he made to Edmure was in a private setting with only a few witnesses, none of whom were lords or knights, thus the risk of word getting around was a lot lower. And the threat about the baby was only the very last one Jaime made, and all of the other threats he could have carried out easily, i.e. storming Riverrun and slaughtering everyone inside (almost all of whom were soldiers anyway). That's what Ser Daven wanted to do the whole time anyway, and would have been completely standard affair for a siege. It would have been impractical to wait for Roslin to give birth to Edmure's child before concluding the siege; it'd already dragged on for too long and everyone wanted it over with as soon as possible. Jaime could have easily taken Riverrun without having to carry through with the trebuchet threat, and his reputation wouldn't have been harmed.
  22. This is a great idea, and would have made a lot of sense. It'd be reasonable to assume that the Targaryens would establish some sort of centralised system of government considering they were descended from the more sophisticated Valyria, and only after their overthrow does the kingdom fracture into smaller, feudal regions, just like Western Europe after the fall of the (Western) Roman Empire. I can see some very light similarities between Theodoric the Great and Robert Baratheon.
  23. True, although Cersei is no stranger to killing children, and unlike Jaime she's actually succeeded in it, several times. Context is important. Jaime only made that threat because he was certain it's what would convince Edmure to help get Riverrun's surrender without any bloodshed. Having just reread that chapter the other day, I personally don't believe Jaime would have carried through on that threat to kill Edmure's child; part of the point of Jaime's Feast storyline is how he's the odd one out of his siblings when it comes to being like their father. Tywin would have killed that baby, but as Genna said, Jaime was no Tywin. It was an empty threat, though a shocking one. But he knew Edmure, and he knew that Edmure would never let his child be harmed. That simple threat is what saved the lives of hundreds of people inside Riverrun, as was Jaime's intention.
  24. I've been wondering about this recently. If I was an actor on GoT and I'd read the books, and I knew how much better my character was portrayed in the books than in the show, I'd be pretty pissed off. Are there any such cases of this for the actual cast of the show? I know that the actor that played Ser Barristan Selmy had read the books and was (rightly) disappointed about how D&D wrote off his character, but are there any others?
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