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  1. I don't know if someone brought this up but what bothers me the most, in the idea that LF orchestrated the assasination attempt, is the fact that to do so, he had to know why he was pushed/was believed to fall in the first place. It is the only reason, Bran seeing what he saw, that gives gives the Starks reasons to believe it was the Lannisters behind the attempt and thus the only reason for LF to think that it will turn them against each other even more. For him to know this, would mean someone else in Winterfell witnessed the scene too, which I find unlikely, or that Cersei or Jaime or even Joeffry may be asked him to do it... Can anyone help understand this point please ?
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    The younger, more beautiful queen . . .

    I'm sorry if that has been discussed before and definitively rejected, but isn't there a theory that the "other" doesn't have to be a "queen" at all ? It would be more of a "gender-neutral" reference to a person, "younger and more beautiful to cast Cersei down and take all that she holds dear" and that person could be the Valonqar ? I think I read it somewhere in this forum...
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    Jon legitimacy foreshadowing ?

    That's why I said "IF", we don't know IF it is important or not... relevant or not... or even just for "dramatic effects". Personnally, it won't bother me IF he is, it won't bother me IF he is not, but I don't write the show scripts, nor the books. It is only about what the show has been suggesting...
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    Jon legitimacy foreshadowing ?

    I am not very aware of mediaval English history, but doesn't annulmenr requires a legal reason ? A justification ? As far poeple have been theorizing that Sansa and Tyrion could have their marriage annuled because it was never consummated... Is it enough reason for the crown prince to annul his marriage because his wife could not give hil any more children (sons), and one son is not enough (very ugly reason I know, but it is not the discussion here...) ? In that case, may be the annulment effect would begin after Elia was declared to be to fragile to get pregnant again ? But I'd repeat myself once again:
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    Littlefinger

    Is it weird if I'd prefer to say Don't RIP LF ? PS: I also agree that LF is not as smart as he thinks he is and that he will find himself surrounded by a lot of players he won't manage to manipulate...
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    Jon legitimacy foreshadowing ?

    Westerosi rules of succession says "The son of the first son comes before the second son" I may be very mistaking on this but I think we don't have a mention that says that Aerys explicitly named Viserys as his heir. Viserys is refered as Aerys heir in TWOIAF that he has been written years after the end of the war, at a time everybody knew/thought Aegon was killed in the sack... It doesn't mean that Aerys didn't want that Rhaegar "half-dornish" children to die anyway so Viserys could become the heir "after" he wins the war without having to disinherit Aegon and having the dornish and the small folk who loved Rhaegar against him.
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    Littlefinger

    “Don’t fight in the North or the South. Fight every battle everywhere, always, in your mind. Everyone is your enemy, everyone is your friend. Every possible series of events is happening all at once. Live that way and nothing will surprise you. Everything that happens will be something that you’ve seen before.” Littlefinger would try to manipulate everyone and anyone he could to secure his position whoever ends up to be in charge. He has a grudge against the Starks and preferentially he may want to help Sansa if it is possible for him (Cathlyn Tully 2.0) but Littlefinger cares about Littlefinger first and he will put his survival and his ambitions above anything else.
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    Jon legitimacy foreshadowing ?

    I have never really understand how this point will be explained. May be it is different, somehow, to be legally married versus sleeping around with wowen, high and low born and fathering bastards. Ned had once a thought that he doesn't think Rhaegar had the habits to visit brothels. Furthermore, it is said that, during the sack of King's Landing, Rhaenys was dragged from beneath her father's bed. Not her parents's bed. I always wondred what does that mean ? Is it the mediaval langage to refer to the "bed" as the hasband's only ? Or does it mean that, at some point, Rhaegar and Elia were not sharing bed anymore ?
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    Jon legitimacy foreshadowing ?

    Annulment, "pure" polygamy, polygamy explained by marriages performed under different faiths... there have been a lot of theories over the years but I think it does not really matter here because if the show wants/needs Jon to be trueborn, it will find a way, whatever the viewers like it or not specially if it's important for the story endgame, that D&D said they will not change...
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    Jon legitimacy foreshadowing ?

    Even if to was not practiced in the last years of their reign, Targaryen were wekk known to practice polygamy... Misandei has no idea what is bastard ? It's way I finf weird, even if it's different in Naath, doesn't any culture in all Essos have mariage traditions ? Haven't they been talking about that "Jon Snow" in theur council before/since his arrival on Dragonstone ? As far the Stark reference, it's something he often says in the books and the show (besides, for years, poeple have been GoT-Translating that as "I am a Targaryen").
  11. Jon Snow explained to Missandei : "I am a bastartd... my mother and father weren't married" => GoT translator => Jon is a trueborn, he's mother and father were married. Did we really need an explanation what "a bastard" means or am I looking too much into this ? What to you think ?
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    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Seriously ? I won't even give you the list of all the betrothals that went wrong in the series ... "Necessary" ? Once again, seriously ? We also know that Rhaegar asked Jaime before going to the trident to protect his wife (Elia) and his children. Barriston Selmy said that Rhaegar was "very fond" of her after a hesitation when Daenarys asked him if Rhaegar married her for love or duty implying that he cared for her but unfortunately never was in love with her.
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    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Because he never loved nor felt close to his brothers as he did with Ned who he grew up with in the Eyrie.
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    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Yes, Jon Arryn and Ned were excellent choices as hands (not for them though). But do you think Robert chose them because of their qualities and honours ? I don't think so, he only chose them because of personal reasons. He and Ned were Jon arryn's wards. It's like he had chosen his own father and his own brother. Poeple he can completly trust and who had fought a war with him in a realm where some still see him as a "usurper". It's an obvious choice IMO, making it didn't make him smart but not making it would had made him stupid. Or worse, with Brandon Stark, the wild wolf...
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    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Yesss, I have been always thinking that Robert never truly "loved" Lyanna and I'm glad I'm not the only one. He sure "wanted" her badly, she was beautiful and all and he was a teenager with boiling hormones. I think if the very same Lyanna was just a commoner, he would have wanted her too and got her "easily". But she was the daughter of the Lord of the most important house in the North, marriage was the only was to have her in his bed and to make a strong alliance in the same time. It stroke me when I rewatched season 1, when Robert told to Cersei " You want to know the horrible truth ? I cant even remember what she looked like. I only know she was the one thing I ever wanted, someone took her away from me and 7 kingdoms couldnt fill the hole she left behind". For me it's a speech of frustration and pride more than a mouring lover. In the same scene, Cersei confess that she had once had feelings for him for quite a while, he responded "I know" and when she asked if they ever had a chance, he answered drily "NO". That's the kind of man/husband Robert was, he should not have married any strong girl with character, not Cersei, not Lyanna. Lyanna said it herself "Love is sweet dearest Ned but it cannot change a man's nature". I've always considred that it's Robert who, somehow, created the "Mad Toxic Queen Cersei" we know. As for Rhaegar, I don't know. At least he stayed kind and gentel to Elia. I've read somewhere before that considering that Elia was a dornish and that her weak health won't allow her to bear more children, she may didn't even have a problem with Rhaegar taking a "lover". But I will not make any deffinitive judgement on that untill/if we have a new book with more explanations.
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