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  1. Lord Stannis-The True King

    Who will get to rule Dorne and the Reach in the end?

    People just aren't very observant. It's cause and effect. I always saw Stannis as the foil for Ned Stark. One of my favorite scenes that describes this perfectly is in the season 1 episode Bealor. The conversation between Aemon Targarian and Jon Snow. Maester Aemon asks Jon if he knows why the Night's Watch can have no wives and father no children. "So they will not love. LOVE IS THE DEATH OF DUTY." He says that given the choice most men would prioritize their family over their duty to the realm. He then asks what Jon thinks his father would do. Jon replies that his father would always do what is right. No matter what. Aemon says that his father is "one man in ten thousand". "Most of us are not so strong. What is honor campared to a woman's love? What is duty compared to the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?" "We're all human. And we all do our duty when there's no cost to it. Honor comes easy then. Yet, sooner or later, in every man's life there comes a day when it is not easy. A day when he must choose!" As we all know Ned Stark was considered an honorable man. He supported Stannis as the heir to the Iron Throne because he WAS the heir. But when he had to choose between his duty and his family he chose his family. He falsely confessed to treason and proclaimed Joffry the true King plunging the seven kingdoms into a civil war that still hasn't ended. All to save his two daughters. All the lives lost in this conflict to save two people. In the end his love was the death of his duty. Stannis had a similar choice to make. To spare his daughter at the expense of the kingdom or to sacrifice her to ensure it's future and save countless lives in the process. He chose Duty. Stannis Baratheon was that one man in ten thousand Measter Aemon referenced. He loved Shireen. She was possibly the only person he ever loved and he still chose his duty. Why? Because he was King. And a King has a greater responsibility to his people than to his family. A King must be selfless to be effective. And Stannis is the only truly selfless character in the whole series.
  2. Lord Stannis-The True King

    Who will get to rule Dorne and the Reach in the end?

    I'm quite partial to the Baratheons. Stannis Baratheon is the only truly selfless person on the whole show. He saved the world at the expense of everything he cared about. I do feel Gendry has that potential as well. But I will admit we haven't seen him in a leadership role to know just yet. Robert Baratheon was indeed a selfish man, but he did liberate the people from the tyranny of the Targarian bloodline. And he did safeguard the Kingdom for almost 20 years after. Sure, the kingdom was in debt, but people were happy and without war or strife. I find it hard to condemn him on those grounds. His selfishness did not inexorably translate to the suffering of his people. Shireen thought more of others than herself. She attempted to understand the human condition through litterature and philosophy and possessed great insight and compassion.
  3. Lord Stannis-The True King

    Who will get to rule Dorne and the Reach in the end?

    I really can't speak to the books, but in the show this is certainly true. Eddard, Rob, and Catelyn failed their people in major ways to benefit their family and Jon has made some selfish and stupid decisions in keeping with that tradition.
  4. Lord Stannis-The True King

    Who will get to rule Dorne and the Reach in the end?

    Well, he's both a Targarian and a Stark. The Targarians have a diseased bloodline due to centuries of inbreeding that causes many of them to spontainoisly go crazy and the Starks only ever think of themselves and their family not the people they are responsible to. It's a terrible combination. Jon has no idea how to rule. He losses every battle he fights and allows his emotions to cloud his judgement (such as it is) and even if he avoids the madness in his blood his children would carry that same risk. Eventually the people would be put in danger because of him. Jon taking the throne will bring nothing but suffering.
  5. Lord Stannis-The True King

    how inbred is daenerys?

    We know the Targarian indreeding practice has existed for centuries. Something about keeping the bloodline pure to control the dragons, and to consolidate power within their own house. Obviously many generations did not marry their family otherwise the bloodline would have died out long ago, but enough did to where the people coined the phrase "When a Targarian is born the gods flip a coin." Referring to the inherited madness that befalls the children of incest. It is also presented in a rather Blase' manner when discussing the Targarian dynasty to the point I feel people just accepted it as a standard practice and were no longer surprised by it. That also tells me it happened somewhat frequently. But that last bit is really just my reading of the lines delivered.
  6. Lord Stannis-The True King

    Who will get to rule Dorne and the Reach in the end?

    We'll see about that. For the sake of the realm I hope not.
  7. Lord Stannis-The True King

    If Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie,

    Truth.
  8. Lord Stannis-The True King

    What is the role of Gendry?

    You're welcome to your opinion of course, but that ending would be truly tragic. A child of incest, born of a mother who was born of incest, from a family who's inbreeding practices led to many insane monarchs throughout history. That would spell doom for the future of the kingdom. History would be destined to repeat it's self. The people would be forced to Rebel once again. Super dark. In my opinion Gendry is the only option. Especially if his mother is Cersei. He would be the rightful King in no need of legitimization.
  9. Lord Stannis-The True King

    If Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie,

    "The narrative is pointing away from your interpretation" is itself an interpretation of the material being presented. I disagree with your thesis and gave various points that challenge your interpretation of that material. You seem content not to confront these points in an open dialog. I won't push you any further. I enjoy a good discussion but I can tell that's not what you're looking for. Also, King Stannis Baratheon did die hero. In fact I spent a great deal of time explaining that to you in another thread that you didn't feel like responding to. If that is a topic you are interested in discussing I would ask you to reply in the Stannis' vs Danny thread. I would be happy to hear your thoughts on the subject and challenge any assertions you have to the contrary.
  10. Lord Stannis-The True King

    If Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie,

    The facts that I was referring to were in my very large quote above. If I am understanding you correctly, you are choosing to accept a voice over as non-biased factual information not open to interpretation over your own opinion based on the facts that the series presents, simply because you deem information conveyed in a voice over as more important than the conclusions you can draw from the actual events. If that is your perspective than there really is no point in discussing anything. You have turned off your brain and made yourself incapable of thinking critically or developing a rational opinion. I will however mention an alternate possibility for this voice over. It could be to walk the audience through what they are seeing. I know many people who have watched the whole series only once as each episode comes on. Many of them are fuzzy in details and what characters are connected to which others, especially if we've never seen them before (Rhaegar). My mother for example didn't understand the context of the Tower of Joy revelation or who Rhaegar even was. Explaining the history of the series to a casual fan is beyond exhausting. This information was presented in this format to allow casual fans to more easily follow the story. Now on to the content of Bran's little voice over. It seems you are taking everything he says as abject unbiased fact. I really don't see how you can. He sees the past. That is true. However, it has been clearly established that he only sees one piece at a time. He's not omnitiant. He doesn't know all. Only what he sees in the order he sees it. That makes him fallable. He can say one thing based on the events he's seen only to later understand he misinterpreted those events based on a lack of information. For example, let's say in the future the three eyed Raven looks back and sees Joffry's coronation. He would say that Joffry is the King. Only later he sees his true parantage and realizes that is false. Everything is open to interpretation. Bran saying that Jon is the true King exemplifies this fact. He (as far as we know and have been shown) has not seen anything of Robert's Rebellion or the events over the centuries that led to it. He has no context to draw from but that which Bran had. Which is very little. I would suggest you think more about what is presented to you. Crittical thinking is a valuable asset in storytelling. As is the unreliable narrator.
  11. Lord Stannis-The True King

    If Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie,

    I am open to this discussion. All the info I have discussed is present in the TV Show (I actually haven't read the books). How is Robert's Rebellion being undermined? And more specifically, how do you interpret these facts differently to arrive and your "interpretation". No sarcasm here, I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. P.S. - I'm glad you've finially decided to respond to me. I was very disappointed that you decided not to converse in the Danny vs Stannis thread.
  12. Lord Stannis-The True King

    If Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie,

    The lie is that Rhaegar Kidnapped and raped Lyanna? How is that a lie? To lie one must know the truth and purposefully decieve. No one knew any different and there were very good reasons to think she was kidnapped. Have you even read this thread? This has all been discussed before. The poor dialog choice I refer to is the use of the world "lie" in this context. The only lie present is Rhaegar's lie of omition when he just ran off with another woman. Everyone else was just reacting to the situation. I'm just going to quote myself here. "First off, the rebellion was not based on a lie. Lyanna disappeared. She was engaged to Robert and she disappeared with Rhaegar. Her brother went to King's landing and demanded the King release Lyanna. He was arrested. His father came to King's landing at the King's command and they were both burnt alive in the throne room without trial. The King then commanded Jon Aryn to surrender both Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark for execution. What the fuck are people supposed to think!!!!! Robert didn't lie. He had very good reason to believe Rhagar kidnapped his fiance'. Compound that with the Mad King burning people alive for no reason and threatening the populus and you have a rebellion. Futhermore, in digging deeper you will find that the Rebellion was not only a long time coming, but a natural reaction to perpetuated abuse at the hands of Targarians monarchs. Put simply, the problem with Targarian rule is systemic. Their incestuous practices breed madness. It's a diseased bloodline. They are either willfully sadistic or woefully incompetent in letting the incest practice pervail and subjecting their people to even the possibility of an insane monarch (and there have been many "Each time a Targarian is born the gods flip a coin"). If these King's were good Kings they would have safeguarded their people's future by outlawing the practice. They either liked the idea or didn't care enough to stop it. Either way they failed. Moreover, they lost their right to the throne when the people became strong enough to push back and say "No more!". No more needless massaceres. No more innocent lives put at risk. Robert was not a great King but he freed the people from tyranny. He kept them safe and happy for 20 years. Stannis sacrificed everything he had to save the people. His life, his family's life, his army and his House. He was selfless. All Rhagar could think of is his love. Not realizing at all the political ruin it would bring. His duty was to the kingdom as a whole, to the people, his wife and his children. And Jon Snow? He's making the same mistakes his ancestors did!!! He just fucked his Aunt!!!! If he were to take the throne. He MIGHT be a good King (I don't think so, but that's another argument all together). But even if he was can you say the same for his children? Or that he himself won't succomb to madness? Aries II wasn't always crazy. Who knows when or if it could present it's self. The Kingdom could be at the mercy of another madman in twenty years. No. The Targarians lost any claim they had. The true King bears the name Baratheon."
  13. Lord Stannis-The True King

    If Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie,

    Then where is the "lie"? Who "lied" and about what? It's just poor dialog. It implies intent and ownership of intent when there is none to be had. There was a clear chain of events that led to the Rebellion and nowhere in there is a "lie". There is just obfuscation perpetrated by the Targarians.
  14. Lord Stannis-The True King

    Who will get to rule Dorne and the Reach in the end?

    I've been asking myself the same question. One of the shows biggest mistakes was killing off the Martell's. To put it frankly, Dorne might just be fucked. They will need to either instate a new Royal family (that will likely start a civil war) or find another Martell bastard (preferable one not complicit in the murder of the Prince). But, even with the second option you're likely to have much competition. Given how Dorne treats their bastards and the public acceptance of liberal sex practices, there are likely many Martell bastards waiting for a chance to grab power. This could also lead to a civil war. There really are no happy outcomes for Dorne, short of finding a hidden member of the Royal house. They deserved so much better than this.
  15. Lord Stannis-The True King

    What is the role of Gendry?

    Agreed. It would be poetic Justice. Robert's revenge from beyond the grave. The child Cersei never wanted. The true King taking back the throne she stole.
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