James West

On 12/28/2021 at 2:29 PM, Odej said:

Reading some posts about Jon Snow's attitudes as Lord Commander I realized that many people don't agree with Jon killing Janos Slynt and that made me curious. I always thought Jon's attitude was correct. Janos disrespected and disobeyed him publicly, letting his behavior go unpunished would make Jon weak in front of his subordinates. In an environment like the Wall, how to respect a leader whom an underling can curse and disobey him without serious consequences? Especially considering how many men who serve on the Wall were thieves, rapists and murderers.

 What do you guys think of Jon's decision?

Jon was 100% wrong.  Janos did not do anything that deserved a death sentence.  Time in confinement was the more appropriate sentence.  Jon's lack of leadership talent resulted in an unjust sentence. 

On 12/28/2021 at 4:47 PM, Trigger Warning said:

No in that it’s the duty of his office but maybe if he wouldn’t be as quick to take the same hardline against others under his command. 

It's the duty of his office to execute Mance Rayder.  Jon was using double-standards and that never ends in justice.  There is no way to excuse Jon.  He was a crap lord commander.  

1 hour ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:

 Baelor Breakspear said that "clemency was best when dealing with an honorable foe. If a defeated man believes he will be pardoned, he may lay down his sword and bend the knee. Elsewise he will fight on to the death, and slay more loyal men and innocents". 

I think that this is pretty sound logic and if anyone here saying that Jon was wrong to kill Slynt could demonstrate that Slynt was an 'honorable foe' or that Jon had reason to believe that Slynt could have become loyal with incentives that Jon was able to grant then maybe there's an argument to be made that Jon was wrong.

Lacking honor, Bloodraven's assertion  "That when you pardon rebels, you only plant the seeds of the next rebellion." bears out every time.

Quotes pinched from a post by @King17

Jon and Janos were not foes.  They are Brothers of the Night's Watch.  Both men were stubborn for holding onto the past.  But the greater burden is on Jon to make the relationship work because he is the Lord Commander.  He should have been thinking about what was best for the N W and the realm instead of what he feels for Janos.  There is no way to give Jon a pass.  He was wrong.  Factor in his refusal to punish Mance Rayder and an injustice really took place.  

Janos was not a rebel.  That bitter label hits closer to Jon.  Jon has broken more N W rules.  It wasn't Janos who was breaking rules right and left.  Which Jon has been doing since he got to the wall.  

Jon was not only wrong to murder Janos Slynt, he acted unjustly.  The murder of Janos Slynt was very inappropriate.  Jon was a failure at the wall because he lacked ethics.  I can see why Bowen Marsh felt the need to remove Jon.

Daenerys Targaryen will have the most complete armed forces in the world.  The Dothraki will represent the cavalry.  They are the best riders in the world.  Her Unsullied are the best foot soldiers.  A substantial navy will be necessary to bring the armed forces of the Light to Westeros.  She will have command of land, sea, and air.  They can blockade every city they wish.  Westeros is already on its knees.  The people can thank the Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters, Martells, and Littlefinger for their misery.  The people will turn against their lords. 

Dany's childhood was like Egg's.  They were both seen as the unlikely and yet they became rulers.  She flew under the radar because most assumed her brothers would rule.  The crones assumed a son would rule over all of the khalasars.  Rhaegar assumed his son will be the promised one.  They were mistaken.  Dany is the fulfillment of the Azor Ahai prophecy.  The return of the dragons from petrified eggs is Martin's version of Arthur pulling a sword from a stone.  Dany pulled dragons from stone.  Egg himself was an egg that failed to hatch.  Rhaegar's Egg (Aegon) also failed to hatch.  Dany is a female Aegon.  To quote Tyrion "she is Aegon the Conqueror with tits."  She walked into the fire and the dragons came back out with her.  Aegon V and Rhaegar failed.  Dany succeeded because she is AA.  Arthur was the only one who can pull the sword, Dany was the only one who can bring back the dragons from stone.  

On 4/5/2020 at 12:14 PM, Wm Portnoy said:

I see a gender reversal going on with the kings in the hallway and Daenerys.  Dragons are not bound by gender.  That may be the advantage for Daenerys. 

"He told me the moon was an egg, Khaleesi.  Once there were two moons in the sky, but one wandered too close to the sun and cracked from the heat.  A thousand thousand dragons poured forth and drank the fire of the sun.  That is why dragons breathe flame.  One day, the other moon will kiss the sun too, and it will crack and the dragons will return."  [Doreah]

"Moon is no egg.  Moon is god, woman wife of the sun." [Irri]

In this case, Khal Drogo was the one who got too close to Daenerys and got burned.  Fire consumes after all.  His death brought Drogon, Viserion, and Rhaegal.  Daenerys represent the Sun, the Maiden Made Of Light.  Khal Drogo was the Moon.  It is easy to see why Qaithe wants her to go to Asshai.  She can bring the sun back to that darkened city. 

 

Doreah's words were soon proven true.  The poor woman died soon after the birth of the dragons but at least she had the privilege and the honor of being there for the miracle.  She lived long enough to see her Khaleesi become Azor Ahai.