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  1. Most of the dialogue was so meta that I kept hearing Jeremy from CinemaSins saying, "Jon (wondering that there was still a Night's Watch) would be excellent at TV Sins...the Great Council (laughing off suddenly-stupid Sam's proposed democracy) would be excellent at TV Sins..." and so on. And Tyrion pointing out that we cheered Dany on for all the horrible things she did to horrible people as if it weren't written that way and accompanied by triumphant music... As if it wasn't bad enough that they turned Edmure into utter nebbish back in the bits of the story where he was relevant in any way, they dust him off and drag him out to make himself ridiculous just to give Sansa the opportunity to get one last snark before wrapping. Yara remains so devoted to Dany as to call for Jon's head for no reason other than to give Arya the opportunity to get one last threat in before wrapping. Jon, who walked around absolutely horrified by what Dany did for an episode and a half is STILL LOYAL TO HIS QUEEN AND NEEDS TO BE TALKED INTO BETRAYING HER (and even then "you'll always be my queen"). I am convinced that for whatever reason, d&d just really, really hated Jon's character (much like they loved Sansa's), and went out of their way, really every opportunity they had throughout the show, but especially once they ran out of books to make him unjustifiably stupid and ineffective. In what world, this one included, does a guy with a demonstrable claim on the throne (never mind the best claim) kill the sitting monarch (who happens to be a batshit insane tyrant with the idea that killing everyone = liberty) get taken prisoner and eventually exiled to placate the foreign army of the former tyrant? WTF happened at the end for Jon? Because it looked like he resumed his Lord Commandership (since that hairy cloak somehow became the symbol of the LC around season 6, I guess in the absence of Mormont's raven) and went north with the Free Folk. Which is it? Also, even though Jon himself did ask (and everyone else here), why is there still a NW? What kind of answer is "there will always be a place for bastards and broken things"? What on earth is the point of their vows now? And...Sam is wearing his NW uni at the Great Council...but he's there representing Horn Hill? And then becomes Grand Maester? Just...what? If the NW is still a thing, he should still be in it. And whether it's NW or GM, no Horn Hill and no wife and children, which I guess explains why they didn't really explain that? And the utter hair on naming that book ASOIAF... They build tension by basically sandbagging on behalf of the side that is going to totally dominate everything the next episode. They create suspense by giving no indication whatsoever of what is actually going to happen. They "foreshadow" by either making a character tell us exactly what's coming in an entirely different context, or dropping in a couple non sequiturs apropos of nothing. Based on their horrible Inside the Episodes* and commentaries throughout the course of the show, it's evident their interpretations of the hearts of all the main characters aren't based either on the novels or even the show they've been running all this time. And if the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives, why go through all that just to break up the band forever? So much ugh. * @kissdbyfire - I think maybe they didn't bother, because there's nothing left for them to misdirect us about.
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    Why did Benjen take the black?

    Agree with @SFDanny on most points—particularly that it was Benjen’s decision, whatever it was based on. I’m not altogether sure he really blamed Ned for things, though. Even if Ned had wholeheartedly argued that Robert was a hard-drinking bastard-making machine, we don’t have much reason to believe Rickard would have opted against the match because the Bob would make a lousy husband, and Benjen probably understood that was most likely not unrelated to why Ned just tried to look on the bright side about it. That said, Benjen was still young and may very well have blamed the entire betrothal on Ned, which isn’t entirely without merit. But my guess is that the reason he could not stand to wait a bit longer than was absolutely necessary to leave the mantle of Required Stark in Winterfell to Ned and baby Robb has to do with Jon. I think he surely knew whose son that was; he knew his sister—and he knew his brother. So: 1. Ned told him the truth about Jon, and Benjen couldn’t stand seeing his sister’s baby raised as a bastard (with extra-added resentment from Catelyn) to keep him safe from a man she never wanted to marry, or 2. Ned wouldn’t tell him the truth either, so on top of having to play along with Jon being Ned’s bastard, his own brother was lying to him about it. I don’t really think Ned did lie to Benjen, though. No evidence, just a feeling.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    This, too. It seems like she must know him well enough at that point to have known exactly what his response would be. I think maybe she was confirming it, but who knows what she had in mind. Later on Stannis tells Davos that, while she knows he doesn't serve her god, she also knows that he serves Stannis, so she apparently values his loyalty over his conversion, and she obviously respects his honesty. And much later on, in her chapter, she turns out to have some ordinary human sympathy for him and all he's lost. Mel is a complicated cat.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    In SoS, Davos III, Melisandre says: Davos is locked in a cell in the dungeon at the moment. To me it sounds like she is operating on the assumption that soon enough he will be at liberty to pay her a visit, but Davos does not pick that up at all. It doesn't seem like she offering him a get-out-of-jail card if he does the shadow-baby-making deed, and I don't think he really took it that way, either, but is that what's going on?
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    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    FWIW, between tagging along with Summer for dinner on any number of occasions, and revisiting a sacrifice to the Winterfell heart tree, Bran certainly knows what blood tastes like. Following up @Clegane'sPup comment about Bran's description of mutable flavors of the weirwood paste not including (or alluding to) blood, if it didn't taste like blood, it wasn't blood. Also, there was no attempt to disguise it or blend it; Bran did not note that the red veins tasted any different than the white paste, which suggests it did not. That could all be magic, but it could also just be that weirwood seed paste and weirwood sap taste about the same: bitter, then better, then sweet, then honey, new-fallen snow, pepper, cinnamon, and his last kiss from Cat (the pepper seems kind of out of place, but who am I to judge?). But not blood. And I really don't think that witnessing an execution-as-sacrifice and tasting the blood absorbed by the tree is quite cognate enough to constitute foreshadowing to not witnessing Jojen being killed on the downlow and not tasting his blood when it's actually fed to him. I'm a no to Jojen-paste.
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    The Others emerging from the weirwoods

    Maybe because it's just exerpted here--I mean, I see the statement--but I am not seeing that LmL means the trees themselves are conduits, either. If he does, I suppose I just disagree. Looks to me like their armor has the ability to take on the appearance of natural surroundings (just about exactly like the elven cloaks Galadriel gave to the Fellowship), and that the Others move under cover of shadow in the forest, which is no surprise as they don't like light. I really don't see anything to indicate they somehow travel through the weirnet. However, if it turns out to be the case that they do, the magic in the Wall, as has been noted upthread, whether it's from the Children or tied to the faithfulness of the men of the Watch or both or something else altogether, appears so far to prevent them from passing (including by teletreetation).
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    The Others emerging from the weirwoods

    I don't think that's meant to suggest literally exiting from the trees themselves, but rather from the forest the trees are in.
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    King Tommen

    I quite like the idea of Cersei creating her own Tommen-monster and hoisting herself with her own petard , but I don't think that's what she was doing there. I think her only interest was in punishing him so thoroughly and utterly for crossing her that he would never dare do it again. He is royal (officially), so he has a whipping boy to be punished in his stead, and that probably makes it even worse for Tommen, and she knows it. He is a sweet, fairly sensitive boy who cares about pets and people and his wife (read: people who are not Cersei alone), so this is the equivalent of beating the idea that he's in charge out of him, and it's bad enough that it even makes Boros cringe. I doubt she actually cares enough about Tommen as anything but a means to rule to be at all concerned with what he personally enjoys, and, by the same token, I doubt she ever paid attention to exactly what Joffrey did for fun ("some mischief with a cat" for example).
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    King Tommen

    I think Cersei herself will be the one to devour him (hopefully not literally, but at the same time she's bemoaning his "weakness", she is also absolutely squashing any attempt he makes to exert his own will with hideous psychological abuse).
  10. I think I would tell Mycah's father to make a point of needing Mycah to stick around and help cut steaks that day at the Trident.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Maybe the Brotherhood got him when they got Septon Utt? (I'd like to believe Zollo was the Dothraki that Nymeria killed in Arya's wolf dream, but she recalled his name was Iggo, and she doesn't describe him or any of the Dothraki mummers as fat, so that would be wishful thinking on my part.)
  12. Considering that even after having her father and basically everyone she knows murdered, being press-ganged into Baelish's whorehouse, where she was whipped and "trained to please men," dressed up in Stark colors and sold off to the Boltons to marry Ramsay, she still made a point of throwing shade on Arya and taking credit for inventing "Horseface," I feel such a meeting wouldn't be as productive as it could be if Jeyne weren't still fundamentally the person who tells Arya about the Hound cutting her friend into so many pieces they had to return Mycah in a sack. Probably it won't help Jeyne that by then, she will most likely be missing part of her nose while Arya will be starting to develop the "wild beauty" her aunt was known for, although it might help Arya keep from slipping into the old inferiority. Honestly, I sort of picture a reunion between those two being mostly Jeyne being hysterical and unintelligible and Arya wondering why she ever cared what this girl thought about her, but ultimately trying to help her feel safe, and then going off to find out for herself WTactualF was going on in Winterfell.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    @Loose Bolt @The Wondering Wolf Great catches. Definitely some post-conquest rivalry, then.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Maybe that's actually why Orys took Argella's sigil and words for his house, but kept his own name instead of adopting hers--to kind of put a sock in potentially lingering bad feelings for the Durrandons.
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