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    Small Questions v. 10106

    I know. That's reason I asked. In my opinion, no way Martin would change it 20 years and 5 books later.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    @Rhaenys_Targaryen Thank you! That is the one. I see they removed the part about him being a man grown by every law at 15. I remember @Ran said some translations were based on drafts, not final revised texts. It seems to be my case. Edit: Here's Ran statement.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    @Rhaenys_Targaryen My translated edition says something like this: "Prince Joffrey was just eleven... but Jacaerys, prince of Dragonstone, was on the edge of his fifteenth name day, when according every law of Westeros he'd became a man grown. It was Jace who took the lead then, at the end of the year 129 AC..." Would you mind to take another look? Thanks in advance.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    Is it really said in the english editions of Fire & Blood that Jacaerys Velaryon was considered man grown by every laws of Westeros at the age of 15 (F&B, The Dying of the Dragons: The Red Dragon and the Gold)?
  5. It just occured to me yesterday. I've searched if it has been proposed before and, even thought parts of this theory are all over the internet, I didn't manage to find someone that assembled those elements this way. Premise #1: Lightbringer is a mythical sword forged by the legendary Azor Ahai. Argument #1: "Sorcery is a sword without a hilt". Conclusion #1: Maybe Lightbringer is not an actual sword, but a form of sorcery. Premise #2: "When Azor Ahai plunged Lightbringer "into water to temper the steel it burst asunder." Argument #2: "... when the greenseers tried to bring the hammer of the waters down upon the Neck." Conclusion #2: Assuming CoTF cast this spell upon the Neck during Long Night (we are not told when it did happen), this previously proven functional sorcery (by the "Arm of Dorne" event) was shattered by something (Others' countermagic, presumably). Premise #3: "Azor Ahai captured a lion, to temper the blade by plunging it through the beast's red heart, but once more the steel shattered and split." Arguments #3: "'Him of Many Faces.' [...] 'And many names,' the kindly man had said. 'In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger.'" Conclusion #3: After the failed Hammer, the sorcery was cast directly upon the Others (or upon an individual Other that was duly captured), but, again, it shatters. Premise #4: "'Nissa Nissa [...] bare your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.' She did this thing, why I cannot say [...] her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel [...] the Red Sword of Heroes." Argument #4: "This is bloodmagic, lady. Only death may pay for life." Conclusion #4: Lightbringer, "the red magic of heroes", only works against the Others though life-death bargain / sacrifice of innocents. That's it. Hope it is of any value/help.
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    A quick take on Lightbringer

    @Dorian Martell's son Not at all. You're right. I got confused with the cronology. Aemon was dying during the time he said Daenerys was Azor Ahar. It's that I've been busy musing on why people take his words on Azor Ahai in AFFC, Samwell IV as true that I took hasty conclusions. Sorry. @Rose of Red Lake The text also say: "Sorcery is a sword without a hilt". So I think that, only because we have an analogy made on text, it doesn't make things direct or clear. What you think? Regarding the debate on going, this thread was created to discuss if it's plausible or not that Lightbringer would be some form of sorcery. It seems you're with the 'nays', is that it?
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    A quick take on Lightbringer

    @Rose of Red Lake I say the interpretation you propose is convoluted, not clear. It could be right, but it's not 'pretty clear'. Then, the matter is still open to debate, don't you think? @Dorian Martell's son Thank you. Your position on Lightbringer myth is clearly bullshit-proof. Then, would you mind to answer one more question: what makes you give credit to the speech on prophecies of a "feverish and dying" old maester?
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    A quick take on Lightbringer

    Would you mind to elaborate this part?
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    A quick take on Lightbringer

    @Springwatch Plausible = "I think it will not gonna happen, but it would work with the plot". Possible = "I think there's a chance of happening". In the final part, I was saying "why would they need lightbringer (magical sword/sorcery/dragonfire) to defeat the others, if obsidian does the job just fine?" @Rose of Red Lake What led you to assume so?
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    A quick take on Lightbringer

    @Springwatch Yeah, I know people have thought about that before. However, I think it's more 'plausible' than 'possible'. Since obsidian works just fine against the Others, I don't know why people would have to rely on some other cryptic mystical weapon in order to defeat them. @Megorova I don't who would Azor Ahai Reborn be. However, AAR would have to be more than one person if the interpretation I proposed was somehow correct.
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    Summerhall is central to the series

    I would feel Martin is cheating If the answers for central plots of the main series lies in periferic book. As Dunk & Egg died in Summerhall, I think that this event is their story's climax, not of the people who are under the threat of the Others' comeback. Maybe some elements of what happened in Summerhall will be revealed and will help ASOIAF as a cautionary tale. However, I think GRRM won't reveal all the things regarding the fire in Summerhall, because it'd spoil D&E finale. However, I do expect ASOIAF to end with a lot of tangled knots and unsolved secondary plots. And that those periferic books will help us solve them.
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    longest summer in living memory

    In the Age of Dawn/Heroes, those old men would join the westerosi version of the wild hunt, led by the Others during the regular winters. However, something happened some time after the pact with the Children of the Forest. The wild hunt and winter stayed longer, and the dead were not carried away, but wandered the realms of men (Long Night). Then, after the Others were confined to the Lands of Always Winter, the tradition remained but lost its true meaning. However, beyond the Wall, the Other's wild hunt still happens. Just ask Craster and the folks on Frozen Shore. Textual evidence? Pff...
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    A quick take on Lightbringer

    We don't disagree here.
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    The Others and Wights

    I suspect that wights are magically prevent from rotting, even in warm enviroments. As I replied in another thread:
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    The Others and Wights

    Animals are also wightfied. So the Others could also have turned dead fishes, krakens and whales into wights. I'm not saying that's what Pyke is referring to, though. Maybe he just doesn't know what's in the water and prefered to call them "things".
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    What is the Illyrio Barristan connection?

    When I read it, my first thought was: "unless he already have an heir". A vain and baseless thought, it seems to me. However, since you are doing a great job pulling this together, I thought you could consider it in a way I couldn't.
  17. Any chance they stopped marching at Tumbler's Fall and then sailed down the blackwater to King's Landing, as they did against Stannis in ACOK? I'm aware that in ACOK it was the Tyrells brought the boats, but still sounds as a good reference of massive troops fast transportation during war times.
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    Shadow Maps

    In this forum, people have been interpreting these shadow maps as documents regarding the astronomical observation of moon phases (shadows on the moon). Hence their mention in the same context of myrish lens (i.e. small telescopes) and star charts. Since Westeros has a lunar calendar, moon phases are supposed to be crucial to maesters' accounts.
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    Every time lemons are mentioned in ASOIAF

    But then Doran's plans are not just flawed (which is ok them to be) but also nonsensical (which is not ok). Excuse me. Let me created another thread because I'm all offtopic here.
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    Every time lemons are mentioned in ASOIAF

    But then Doran would know of Aegon. Those are orphans of Illyrio's trust.
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    Every time lemons are mentioned in ASOIAF

    The thing is, there might be another player in Dorne besides the Martells.
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    Every time lemons are mentioned in ASOIAF

    I had never noticed that there were Dornishmen in the Shy Maid.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    I dont know if it'd make you think differently but: F&B, The Heirs of the Dragon - A Question of Succession "... Driftmark (so named for the driftwood that the tides brought daily to its shores)..."
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    Lands of Ice and Fire Maps

    George said in 2014 that map creation was "still on going". That's 2 years after TLOIAF was published.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    @Yaya This one? https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152417-what-led-brandon-to-believe-rhaegar-would-be-at-the-red-keep/
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