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  1. SiSt

    The whole "Tower of Joy" story is flawed

    I subscribe to Ashara being Jyana Reed, and suppose the two to be already married at the time of the TOJ showdown. Then what Howland did would be to fight Arthur Dayne after informing him of his marriage to Ashara, making them kin. "The perfetct knight" as he´s remembered by Ned would not be a kinslayer, and fight Howland with the intent of killing him. I guess Ned killed Arthur while Howland was fighting him (or possibly vice versa) by making use of his honor and chivalry, making the "win" even more bitter.
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    Belwas shows up in Dany 5 ACOK. Tyrion leaves illyrio by Tyrion 3 in AFFC. I'm ashamed.
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    Illyrio could be masquerading as Belwas? They´re both fat, but light on their feet (ref thread on Illyrio/Varys under the red keep, thanks to @Widowmaker 811 for the idea). We know Illyrio was a fighter from Tyrions pov, and that he longs for the days of his youth. Going as a eunuch is a good move, removes his prominent beard (if that´s even real) though shaving all the time is hard if it isn´t. Having Arstan with him is an effective smoke screen, both for the readers and in-universe. Motivation, controlling/safeguarding/observing Dany. Will have to look for evidence of him pushing his agenda on her, but this is probably pretty flimsy. All in all, this is probably a thing that´s left open, but will never be resolved. Whatevs.
  4. That doesn't mean he enjoys it. He seemingly doesn't enjoy fat Walda much either, merely finds her noises endearing in a comical sense. The skinning is pretty much a family tradition, which he may be keeping up merely to keep his smallfolk afraid of him. I trust Barbrey Dustin. Ramsay is the sadist in the family imo.
  5. I like the first idea. Not much to support it, but the idea of a seemingly figurative name being completely literal is funny, and classic "hidden in plain sight". There is the correlation of dwindling numbers of both weirwoods and cotf, and the very slow birth rate of the cotf, though. Even if correlation does not imply causation.
  6. Really? I can't remember any from the text where Roose seems to act out of sadism or enjoying himself much, if at all. There is his active part in the red wedding, but mostly, he just hangs back and does as little himself as possible. I can't remember him showing any enjoyment from anything, really.
  7. Tywin is genuinely sadistic, vindictive and motivated by pride. Roose is seemingly just completely amoral and emotionless. Not getting a kick out of neither rape, murder or torture. A peaceful land, a quiet people. Not saying this makes Roose any more sympathetic, but Tywin is far worse in at least three respects 1. Making himself out to be honorable and noble, and his actions seemingly defensible. Hypocrite extraordinaire. 2. Sheer numbers. 3. Sadism against his own family.
  8. Easy. As Roose isn't entirely human, it has to be Tywin. I think Tywin anyway.
  9. Thanks! I'm keeping this books-only, as the show has gone way off from the source material.
  10. Not arguing physical time travel, merely a potentially spiritual one. He can spiritually observe the past, and arguably affect the past (depending on your interpretation of his vision of Ned). He can skinchange into humans, ref Hodor. The question is whether his spirit can jump out of the weirwoodnet. BR argues he'll be able to see beyond the eyes of the trees in time, which is basically spiritually leaving the www. Could he then inhabit a body in the past? This would be a one - way street imo, as it's laid out by Varamyr. Possibly, he reaches out to stop one of his ancestors being killed, gets stuck in the body of that person and eventually sacrificed to the Winterfell heart tree for threatening the life of the lord of WF.
  11. That may definitely be the correct interpretation. I'm not arguing that this is something every greenseer can or could do, not that they could do it from any heart tree, only that Bran possibly can from the heart tree in Winterfell. I'm not trying to be definitive here, merely offering one possibility through mechanisms already (arguably) in the text.
  12. Uhm, no, that's not really what's being put forward, but have it your own way of you like.
  13. Yeah, I'm not arguing multiples, just the one time. Multiples would be too fanciful for the story, I think, and completely unnecessary in order to explain the many Brandons. Edit: If there are older threads discussing these things that anyone knows, please let me know. I found nothing through a quick search, but I have no illusions as to this being an original idea.
  14. Bran, the time travelling body snatcher? Disclaimer: I´m no fan of time travel, and I hope this is not how things are going to turn out, but it does fit quite a few things in the text IMO. A little background: We know Bran has a special connection to the Winterfell godswood and heart tree. It´s a place of comfort for him. We also know that he´s more familiar with Winterfell than possibly any other character, knows the rocks, the gargoyles, a secret passage inside the walls etc. He also has a special relationship with the birds, particularly the ravens. The first bolded part has always evoked images of roots digging into the ground and in cracks in rocks to me. Tree imagery and an equation of what he´s doing to what trees do. The second bolded part is evoking a birds-eye-view, or a spirit view of the castle, seeing as no one else can. There are many more relevant quotes to pull out, but I feel the connection of Bran to Winterfell, the godswood and the heart tree is well established and non-controversial, so I´ll skip that part. Fast forward to Bloodraven´s cave. I hardly think BR is looking at every birth in the seven kingdoms, so he knew where to look, specifically to Winterfell and the Starks. We know from Jon´s POV that wargs can recognize each other immediately, so having BR immediately see that Bran is a greenseer is not much of a stretch. Once seen, BR kept following Bran, in his dreams etc, being the most invasive peeping Tom ever, but for a good reason. I think BR knew where to look. That he knew there would be a Stark born as a greenseer destined to become instrumental in the fight against the others. How could he know? There´s of course the whole "weirwoods live outside the stream of time"-thing, but it seems predictive prophecy is a very hazy and difficult subject. Very few (if any) interpret it correctly, the hints are very vague, and the more spceific ones such as the danger to Jon seen by Mel at the wall are not really predictions at all, but read the general vibe of danger to his person, not his imminent death by betrayal. There´s also Jojen, and his knowledge of where he has to take Bran, as well as the predictions he makes for the people of Winterfell following the attack by Theon and the Ironborn. Jojen is correct, so we see that predictions in which Bran is personally involved are indeed correct. Both Jojen and BR are hooked up to the Weirwoodnet, which is the important part here. This will make sense in the end. Off the top of my head I can´t think of any predictive prophecy that has come true, except the ones in Bran´s timeline. Open for suggestions here. Time travel: We know that Bran can travel in time, and more importantly, he can affect the past. At least through the Winterfell heart tree. I take this as Bran affecting the past. He interrupts Ned mid-sentence, and the text flat out says he whispers on the wind, rustles the leaves. The amount of stuff he can do at this point is irrelevant, he´s actually affecting the past, no matter how slightly. More importantly, this is the first time he tries, so he´ll likely get better at it in time. We know from Theon in his last Winterfell POVs that the heart tree is changing its expression from time to time, so Bran is certainly getting better at manipulating the present. There´s also BR saying that changing the past is impossible, as people can´t hear him, BR is limited by his own ability, and Bran has another advantage that BR lacks IMO: As argued above, Ned can hear Bran, even on his first try. You might say that this is "just" due to Bran being a more powerful greenseer, and that may be right, but I believe there may be another explanation. Bran is also, as we know, a very powerful skinchanger. He regularly changes into Hodor and goes along with Meera and Jojen. This is of course an abomination, but Bran is just a kid and has no training, so he can´t really be faulted too much for this. It does demonstrate that he´s powerful, even without training. He does have a special bond to Hodor, and Hodor is "weak minded", but it still speaks to ability IMO. Also, Bran is getting increasingly casual about this, and his powers are growing rapidly. Without restraint, he will keep pushing the envelope. Now to the crux: The wording in the above quote is highly ambiguous. Especially in the last part. The broken boy, the man, Brandon Stark, who´s POV is this, really, who is the one tasting the blood? My suggestion here is that it´s all three, as they´re the same person. Bear with me, timeline below: Bran is born, lives through the five books, ends up north in the cave. At some point in his own future, Bran has to intervene in the past for some reason, and ends up skinchanging into a person in the past. At that point he´s caught and can´t skinchange back out, ref Varamyr, Bran´s not dead, but he won´t be born in another few thousand years, so there´s no way back to the future. All the separate elements here are shown in the text. Spiritual time travel, skinchanging and affecting the past have all happened already. This just turns it up to eleven. Bran then heads to Winterfell, where he likely help in the construction (edit: not saying he's Bran the builder, he only has to be around in time for the first sacrifice to the heart tree), but either willingly or not ends up being sacrificed to the Winterfell heart tree in the ritual we witnessed, giving the tree its face. His blood and spirit goes into the tree, making his memories of the future accessible to the weirnet. This explains a lot of things. Brans affinity with the heart tree, godswood and Winterfell. BR and Jojen being able to accurately predict Brans future, and various events Bran witness first hand. Coldhands saving Sam and Gilly at just the right moment, and getting Bran through the Black Gate with their help. It also gives a possible explanation to how Bran is extra powerful through the Winterfell heart tree, and can affect the past through it, since he was/is already in the tree (the skinchanging part has to happen earlier than this, I know, possible major roadblock). Bran is the Stark in Winterfell. He´s been in the tree since it was founded, and will remain there forever.
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    My Cold Hands Theory: Jon Snow

    So, apropos the speculation that Bran is a time travelling greenseer, the above quote stuck out to me, especially the "I saw your birth" -part. How could he know where to look? If Brandon/Bran is the one being sacrificed in front of the heart tree by the white haired woman, his blood and his memory of who he will be/was is already in the weirnet, and accessible for the greenseers. It really solves an issue with prophecy, since the information of Bran being a stark, going north, meeting BR and a being a greenseer is already in the Weir Wide Web. This would explain why Bran is so powerful, and seemingly takes a very short while to exceed BR in power, especially in his ability to affect the past, however subtly, while making Ned notice him by the Winterfell heart tree. As he's been sacrificed to that specific tree already/will be in his own future. He's already in the tree. (He'll also get his legs back, fixed, but not thanks to BR.) How would he do it? Like he does with Hodor, of course. Abomination. This means there's no physical time travel, but a spiritual one, which is already well established in the series. Bran is our primary window into the old stories of the North, through the tales of Old Nan, and his interest in them would certainly make even more sense in this light. Is he Bran the builder? Night's King? Azor Ahai? The last hero? Who's to say, it would need more work, such as figuring out the timing of the founding of Winterfell and how that coincides with the long night. Likely it coincides with the founding of Winterfell and the sacrifice is the first given to this heart tree, and how it got its face. There are many references to how well Bran knows Winterfell in his second chapter, where the language suggests a similarity between his bare feet and the roots of a tree, how he feels the soil, the rocks, how he knows a secret passage etc. Obviously this needs more work, but I feel there are many pieces that fit, probably a lot more than the ones mentioned here. More than I really like, to be honest. Edit: Diversion from op, could be a separate thread, but I bet this has been discussed to death previously. Anyone know?