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  1. Yes, that map is definitely fanmade.
  2. 1. Probably not in the future, just one past reveal, if any. 2. N/A 3. In the first 50 years of Westerosi history, probably tolerated just because there were dragonlords were in charge of the continent. Maybe culturally it was even less controversial; incest taboos tend to be more severe than polygamy taboos in the real world due to psychological components, and indeed, Westeros has more of a history with bedwarmers and second wives, still practised somewhat in the Iron Islands and beyond the Wall. If it happened at the time of Robert's Rebellion: well, for most actual inhabitants of Westeros, they may be able to accept it. People like Dunk accept incest from the Targaryens being higher than normal men, and you could sell polygamy to them in the same way. Now, the people who will be in more in line with their legal history, lords and septons, is another issue. They'd have more reasons to tell Rhaegar "no" if he suddenly revealed he had a second wife... but might makes right, I am just going to say "it would depend on the circumstances," but it would likely be a thorn in his side in a best case scenario, Dorne would really see it as an insult, I imagine. 4. Another "it depends on the circumstances," answer and is likely down to the Faith's endorsement. The HS doesn't seem the sort to want to make any special exceptions, but might be shrewd enough to know how to play the political game and make some Aegon I parallel. But in any case, I really don't think this is likely to happen in the story itself. 5. She could probably get away with it, might makes right, and she's got three dragons, which is just enough to get past Westeros's sexism. 6. Given the crumbling status of the world, it's not out of the question. I don't believe Stannis would ever consider the possibility, and if Euron continues his bloody conquest, no-one is going to bat an eyelid about how many salt wives he has. Such a scenario would require massive cultural and social upheaval. Actually I think it might work the other way in Dorne. There is no stigma attached to having a paramour and bastardy, so in that case, multiple marriages become kind of pointless when a ruler can really just have paramours if they're into multiple people.
  3. On polygamy: yes, I consider it the most likely option as Lyanna and Rhaegar's marital status. However, I also agree that it was something that was not practised by even Targaryens at that point. Would Rhaegar care about that, though? Probably not, he was fixated enough on prophecy that he didn't care about Elia's health. And given that Tyrion could find a drunken septon to marry him and Tysha, someone out there is going to marry Rhaegar and Lyanna without asking any further questions. This makes Jon an ambiguous heir. Was the marriage valid? Depends who you ask: people will say yes if someone wants to make that claim by force, and no if someone else is actively trying to dispute that claim. It would mean there is no one "true heir", which I think jives with Martin's statements that are critical of some true lost heir archetype, and feeds into the "power resides where men believe it resides" concept.
  4. I've never understood the claim that "not remembering" in that context means "not thinking" at all. Even if Rhaegar wasn't the biological father of his nephew/adopted son, I'd find it pretty hard to believe that the guy who, without a doubt, kidnapped your sister shortly before her death would never ever cross your mind. Or the dead crown prince who was a pretty big player in the war. All in all it is a pretty trivial quote that has been milked to death so that naysayers can use it to represent their own theories.
  5. Well, I meant a situation where Edric Storm died, as long as he is alive he'd make a far better candidate than Mya.
  6. Mya has that sort of ambiguous status where she is publicly known about but not officially acknowledged. She'd probably be viewed as more official than Gendry being pulled out of nowhere, but thanks to her gender, I'd say it's unlikely unless Lys is torched.
  7. I agree that this appears quite contrary to what one would expect. ASoIaF has one of the largest fan communities in modern fantasy, and fans are constantly publishing new analyses all over the web, or indeed in academic circles. Aside from Tolkien I am not sure which series would actually be popular if ASoIaF apparently has zero interest. Not going to discuss show spoilers this side of the forum, but it's no secret that it was a disappointment to many, and as a result has sort of become a cultural embarrassment. However, it seems like your issues started long before the eighth season, which just sounds very strange. It was a cultural phenomenon, perhaps the last of its kind in getting off the ground as the "big show" that could become water cooler conversation before the rise of streaming services. It sounds like if people are taking a course on modern fantasy and have zero interest in even discussing ASoIaF, then they are all taking it to pass a semester.
  8. Edric Storm seems the best candidate by far. Openly acknowledged as Robert's child unlike Gendry (who may always be seen as a pretender by some), and safely tucked away in Lys (unless Dany brings dragonfire to the place, but I don't think she'll have time). Stannis just doesn't seem like the type of man who would bend the knee to another monarch. I believe his fate is death, but if not, he would probably choose to take the black rather than give up his claim. Addam and Alyn Velaryon did adopt the old house name after being legitimised, however. And we don't know that there was ever a formal act of Orys being made legitimate: if anything, being Aegon's bastard brother is framed as a highly credible rumour rather than fact. So it is possible, if not overwhelmingly likely.
  9. No, or at least, I hope not. Their story is that they are a genuine populist movement that rose up because of the destruction, pillaging, looting, and death in the Riverlands. They are one of the best examples so far about how the average Westerosi person reacts to the grand political intrigue set up by the noble houses. It would feel quite cheap if it was revealed that the whole thing was just a Hightower scheme. The Hightowers might have had traditional power over the Faith, but the text makes it clear that this is a new regime, not particularly welcomed by the septons and septas that the Hightowers would probably be propping up.
  10. The supposed "bit of a history" is not alluded to when either Jorah or Maege speak about her. It could just be as simple as is in the story; that he agreed to the marriage as Jorah's boon for the tourney and naming her Queen of Love & Beauty. And as for Leyla: then why doesn't she have any children listed in the appendix? They'd be from another house, but Denyse Redwyne's son is listed under the Hightowers. Since we know absolutely nothing about the situation it seems that assuming multiple daughters were "soiled" would be a hasty conclusion. Jon Cupps could be some influential advisor to Lord Hightower which explains it; or perhaps it was simply a pure love match in the vein of Doran and Mellario that Leyton agreed to, in the case that he is not the most shrewd politician in Westeros.
  11. Well, the ADWD visions are one thing, but Dany physically met Quaithe in ACOK. Dany meets her as an emissary and the other characters don't react as if she is talking to thin air. Nor do they say, "who are you?" when she acts as a representative of Qarth. We don't know how powerful the glass candles are, but it seems unlikely that her abilities are so intricate that she can project herself as a figure who is a notable figure in Qarth. Or that Malora is travelling back and forth between Oldtown and Qarth. Occam's razor would mean Quaithe was actually in Qarth. And that she and Malora are not the same person.
  12. I think there are a few too many POVs as is, and Martin has said he won't be any. I think a lot of them will be "streamlined" down too, via death. Frankly, I think the list of POVs is very good as is. We don't need the perspective of the masterminds of ambiguous motive, and I think the one POV of an experienced magic-user (Melisandre) gave us enough insight as is. However, I do agree that Osha would be a brilliant addition. We are likely going to see her through the lens of Davos, but she'd be great nonetheless. As for Slaver's Bay, I know I'm letting the show influence me, but Missandei has always fascinated me. It would be a child's POV, but of a highly intelligent child and roughly the same age as Arya anyway.
  13. A realistic feudal Westeros would involve things like the Faith owning temporal land, lords owning multiple titles, little exclaves of the various regions across the realm, a variety of titles... it would be interesting, but I see why Martin didn't do it. A lot of readers already find Westerosi politics as confusing as is. It doesn't seem very Martinesque to go for the early modern age reform of legal powers of petty lords or what-have-you. Brutal, autocratic lords like Tywin are deconstructed, while there is a romanticism of how Ned lets his own servants sit at the high table, or how common children play side-by-side with nobles in the Water Gardens. I think that's more of Martin's ideal than building the modern nation state as some expect. And I think we might be in store for a return to a much more primordial "high fantasy" time at the end of the novels, too.
  14. I think the Hightowers intentionally have a bit of mystery about them; Leyton is supposedly very reclusive and has tucked himself away with his mad daughter. I think we'll see more of them when Euron begins to take more of the Reach, and certainly in the next Sam chapters. As for Lynesse: she's a fifth born daughter, so agreeing to a marriage to a mediocre-yet-not-terrible northern lord after he chivalrously won a tourney doesn't seem too much of a stretch. Especially if Leyton's oddball nature means he's not really concerned with the realpolitik of matchmaking. Besides, his eldest daughter is an old maid and his third-born daughter seemingly has a marriage to a complete nobody. (What is House Cupps, anyway?) So I don't think Lynesse is necessarily "soiled goods," she's been mentioned multiple times and there are no such rumours about her.
  15. That's true, but then there's the question of where Bran might specifically be except somewhere beyond the wall. As for Howland, well, he is mysterious enough that he might intuitively know something more is up. But he doesn't have telepathy and the Reeds aren't sending him any ravens; all he knows is that they were there during the grisly capture of Winterfell by the ironborn.
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