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  1. 3 hours ago, C.T. Phipps said:

    While I'm already questioning whether Darkstar will kill Aegon and or Myrcella, I'm going to move back to House of the Dragon.

    Anyone think after the Dance of the Dragons the show will move to new time periods?


    Maybe the regency, but a show becoming an anthology after about five seasons would be rather unprecedented. If this happens, there'll probably be a new title.

  2. 2 minutes ago, SeanF said:

    The two D's had not the slightest clue about military affairs.  No general at any point in history would have hesitated to make straight for the capital, and to storm it, in the event that no surrender was given.

    Dany has an advantage to be way more humane than most by focusing on the defences and the residence of the commander-in-chief as the sole participant with an aerial advantage, and pretty much did achieve surrender even when she'd lost two dragons and more than half her forcess.

    She has more of an advantage than Aegon the Conqueror ever did too by taking down a recent usurper who just dodged a trial for regicide by purging all the Faith from the city and still apparently being able to spawn some court of lickspittles. There was nothing stopping Dany from taking Drogon to the Red Keep in early Season 7 and going 'alright, surrender or your queen will be dragon dinner'

  3. I honestly see no logical reason why King's Landing would be the 'scouring of the Shire'. Dany will have enough troops to try to curbstomp whoever's on the throne when she get there. The reason why she didn't simply decimate Cersei in Season 7 Episode 2 with all her Dothraki, Unsullied, dragons, vs one city with no mass produced scorpions was Tyrion giving her bad advice as D&D wanted to drag out that conflict. It seems like Benioff and Weiss were the ones who wanted to make the battle for the throne the big final battle.

  4. 13 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

    Hmm who do you think this is about?

    Potential spoiler:

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    There was a rumor on Reddit a few weeks ago that Aegon II is a rapist on the show, but no one ever provided anything to verify that.

    Let’s hope it’s just some guy that Daemon has gelded during his days as Lord Flea Bottom.

    It has to be Alicent, in my opinion, for the 'mother of perpetrator' thing to make sense.

    This is one of Mushroom's most credible accounts:


    The groom was fifteen years of age; a lazy and somewhat sulky boy, Septon Eustace tells us, but possessed of more than healthy appetites, a glutton at table, given to swilling ale and strongwine and pinching and fondling any servant girl who strayed within his reach


    If Mushroom is to believed, he fathered two bastard children the same year as the twins [Jaehaerys and Jaehaera]; a boy on a girl whose maidenhood he won at auction on the Street of Silk and a girl by one of his mother's maidservants.


  5. 2 hours ago, BlackLightning said:

    I disagree.

    Dany could still fly to Asshai on dragonback--especially after paying Qarth a visit. That said, she either needs to do it in Winds or it needs to be written about in Dream.

    GRRM is on the record saying we won't physically see it and seems to be one of those gapscrap things. Quaithe started astral projecting herself to Dany in ADWD which probably provides an elegant solution. Of course, if he's being coy/has changed his mind and she does a quick dragon trip there, that's fine too.

    In any case... I just don't see the quote referring to her having to physically reach Westeros from the east-that-becomes-west, she has no time to launch a campaign like that... simply attaining the knowledge from Asshai, somehow, is all that is necessary.

  6. 6 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

    The ocean on the west side of Westeros is mostly unexplored.  The Farwynds' islands are the farthest known landmass to the west.  Quaithe tells Dany to sail westwards instead of taking a more direct route to Westeros.  If Quaithe is Elissa Farman and she has been to the far western ocean, what did she find and why is it important for Dany to see for herself? 

    'Truth', according to Quaithe herself. Likely the truth that Asshai was the capital of the first dragonlord empire that played a key role in the cause and end of the First Long Night, and are therefore relevant to ending the second one. 

    I don't think taking the western route to Westeros is literal. 'To go west, you must go east' implies the knowledge in the east is important, but then she can take whatever route she likes. Dany will probably go to Asshai via glass candle projection since the series can't fit in her physically going there any more. 

  7. 15 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

    He is from the Dornish Marches, which is on the border between the Stormlands and Dorne, so it's not a big deal.

    We know so little of House Cole that the bio on HBO doesn't really sound odd at all if it's an addition to the character. The Coles aren't mentioned at all before Criston('s father), so perhaps he was a man recently raised to nobility from being a commoner like Janos Slynt. And some marriages between the Stormlands Dornish Marches and Dorne itself to forge peace would absolutely make sense, as well as if Criston's perhaps common-born father was already in a love match with a traveling Dornish woman when raised to nobility, etc.

    In any case, book!Criston was raised to the Kingsguard for martial reasons. The Coles in general seemed beneath notice as a vassal of a vassal of a great house.

  8. Some theories are that, if Huzor Amai lived later, he was trying to emulate the legacy of Azor Ahai or a multitude of mythological ancestors, by claiming descent from the Fisher Queens and being said to marry the daughters of the most important three tribes of Central Essos.

    Another theory (that is not mutually exclusive) is that there is some linguistic connection. Bringing up Great Empire of the Dawn theory, Azor Ahai is often speculated to be from the proto-Valyrian or proto-Asshai'i culture (Azor Ahai does sound similar to Asshai itself!) And so there's a theory that the Sarnori were descendants of a tribe or clan who fled west after the Long Night and adopted the symbolism of the Fisher Queens and indigenous Central Essosi peoples. Some fans believe that the Sarnori may share an ancestral culture with the Dothraki and Jogos Nhai, with the Dothraki said in-verse to have come over the Bone Mountains, and the Jogos Nhai still living there. In any case, they may have all been part of the same realm, or stem from an ancestral culture.

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    Alyssa Velaryon, the daughter of the king's master of ships and lord admiral; though she was a Targaryen upon her mother's side, this made her only a cousin. But when the tradition looked to continue yet again, matters came to a sudden head.

    So this is an outright mistake that never came from Martin then?

  10. 11 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

    First, it must strike us as very unlikely that there was an actual anti-dragon conspiracy while Vaegon Targaryen was an archmaester, and while a Hightower Hand and a Hightower queen were in KL, having dragonriding (grand-)children.

    The maesters might be sneaky and all, but it is pretty hard to buy that they would dare to conspire against the Hightower-Targaryens under their very noses.

    On the contrary, reading Fire & Blood solidified my opinion that a conspiracy likely happened (due to what is omitted or seems outright strange with the explanation the Citadel gives us via Gyldayn) and that Vaegon was a part of it when described as a sour, rude, dragonless man who seemed to have no love for his family. (I don't think that Vaegon was an active participant in the conspiracy. He was likely kept in the dark about the true nature of what the maesters were doing, but a dragonless Targaryen archmaester would certainly be a useful tool for the Citadel to influence the dragonriders in a more direct and personal way).

    Moreover, I believe the maesters would consider the Hightowers their puppets. In Jaehaerys's old age, a Hightower is appointed as Hand just after a Targaryen archmaester proposes a Great Council overseen by the maesters... it's all a little too tidy for my liking. Otto and Alicent likely believed they would have a mutually beneficial relationship due to Oldtown's patronage, but the maesters likely saw them as puppets -- or at least at first, got the Hightowers in to be an easier vessel for their own political ambitions. I don't think they'd catch onto the conspiracy because their goal was gently nudging the course of history into a prolonged dragon war between two fairly large and balanced sides. As Barbrey Dustin says, how often is it that other people call into question 'who are the masters, and who are the servants'?

    That being said, as I stated above, I do think the Shepherd was genuine and as an individual did not have any connection to the Citadel.

  11. 12 hours ago, C.T. Phipps said:

    I wonder if the Shepherd was an agent of the Citadel to try to destroy the dragons and thus kill magic.

    I don't think the Shepherd was an agent of the Citadel directly... but rather was the sort of product of the war that the maesters had been looking for. I do believe that the maesters wanted to start a dragon war that could kill most dragons and allow the rest to be poisoned without drawing much suspicion to themselves, but the Shepherd is genuine and seems to be the result of the people coming to the conclusion that the dragons were too dangerous to live... just as the Citadel had planned.

    Though pointing to him being a member of the Faith, I do somewhat like the larger theory that the Citadel had long sown the seeds of skepticism and prejudice against magic by centralizing the Faith at Oldtown and subtly influencing its dogma for millennia as the sort of anti-Bene Gesserit of Westeros, and turning it into one of the most anti-magic religions in the known world.

  12. 5 hours ago, StarksInTheNorth said:

    Hopefully it alleviates your concerns if I point out that 2/3 the named characters in the first GOT trailer were dead by the end of the season (only Jon survived). It didn't name the Lannisters, Starks, Dany, Drogo, and Viserys only got "the Targaryen girl and her horselord husband," and the only children in the show were Bran, Theon in the background, and the back of Arya's head.

    Oh, I don't have concerns really. The writers consider the four principal characters of Season 1 to be Viserys, Daemon, Rhaenyra and Alicent, and they introduced three of them by name, explaining their relationships too. Alicent wasn't mentioned because, again, spoiler culture, but we got a hint of her role anyway with the "duty to marry again" line. So definitely a better use of cinematic language than GoT and its trailers.

  13. I thought the characters were introduced well when introducing them for the very first time, panning over Viserys, Daemon, and Rhaenyra when they were introduced. It's not quite clear who Alicent is, I suppose, but there's a lot of spoilers relating to who she is.

    I think spoiler culture is affecting the Daemon v Rhaenyra angle, which won't last that much after episode one. While Corlys may doubt Otto, I think that Rhaenys's angle is more 'Rhaenyra's succession will cause problems' as an objective assessment. 

    I don't think I really saw the 'new order' thing as a platitude. If anything, it seems to either be a sign of Rhaenyra's naive optimism in her youth; or perhaps her self-centeredness. From how Alicent's been spoken about in promos as such, I don't think they'll make it quite as simple as her being an unambiguously good protagonist, even if (as natural) the Blacks will likely be presented in a more positive light.

    The dialogue in other places is prosaic without being pretentious, like Viserys talking about his dream. I also loved Rhaenys talking to Alicent, and Otto and Alicent too. I also don't see much of an issue with focusing on the most dramatic moments during the trailer - we've seen Alicent and Rhaenyra's moments of initial friendship elsewhere, and I can't really remember an original GoT trailer that focused on people happily talking to one another. The tournament, for instance, is an example of a courtly celebration too. The civil war hasn't kicked off, but neither had it in GoT Season 1, where 'Who will sit the Iron Throne' was still a big part of the marketing.

  14. Two articles from HBO, one with a slideshow of promotional pictures and another with descriptions of what the show is about and some interviews with the actors.

    We also are seeing some new pictures of Jaehaerys I, Aemma Arryn, and what seems to be Ryam Redwyne and the High Septon of Jaehaerys I at the Council of Harrenhal.



  15. If Daenerys came back, it likely would not be a Jon Snow spin-off anymore, but a sequel show or a Season 9. 

    Now, I doubt Emilia Clarke would come back due to how hurt she had been by what the show did to her character after all the years she put into it. If she wanted her own spin-off for reasons that Kit Harington might, I'd actually be interested to see that... maybe have her be resurrected and then learn the dark magics of a true Valyrian dragonlord, or even become Great Empress of the Dawn in the east and learn of Asshai'i magics... and/or try to atone for what she has done and find solace at the house with the red door.

  16. 15 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

    Does that mean that they will skip the blacks vs greens thing?

    Well, I assume this is right in episode 1 as she was wearing that dress when the lords were swearing their oaths, so the split should not exist yet. There are promotional pictures of older Alicent and Rhaenyra wearing green vs black and red, though

  17. 10 hours ago, The Dragon Demands said:

    We still have no information whatsoever on what the in-universe explanation for the Velaryons being mixed race is ( I myself would have a character give a single line at one point, something like "the low ranking families out in the overseas colonies at the fringes of the Valyrian empire just weren't as strict about blood purity as the ruling families in the capital", then shrug it off. If you're going to make a change, bother to establish it in dialogue. I would consider that a functional explanation. But they might go with a silly or self-contradictory explanation. We have to see )

    I guessed it was that Corlys's mother was foreign, which would fit with his travels to faraway places, his brother Vaemond being darker than his children, etc. Perhaps it's not being mentioned due to the separate planned Sea Snake show that could have its own take on Corlys depending on the pitch. 

    Otherwise it is something that I'd be absolutely fine with just being the "Velaryon look". In some ways it's true to the Tullys being eternally auburn-haired, the Florents being eternally big-eared, and the Daynes being eternally violet-eyed despite many many generations of intermarriage with other families.

  18. On 6/23/2022 at 12:28 AM, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

    I don't know how to feel about this look. Sure, it looks cool, but it almost seems like she is in Lannister colours.

    It's actually pretty cool when you look at the fashion details for Young Rhaenyra's dress in the trailer. Her necklace has a large dragon and smaller images of a rose, lion, trout, stag, direwolf, kraken, falcon, and sun, so they seem to be going for the idea that she is representing all of Westeros rather than House Targaryen specifically.

  19. According to show!Littlefinger, he thought that Stannis would win. So if he wasn't lying (it's never clarified what he was thinking, because nothing really adds up), he would be marrying Sansa into the family Stannis was fighting against and hoping that Stannis would reward her instead of simply taking her straight to him. At the very least, Sansa outright accepted this explanation.

    Roose also says in 601 that he's expecting a Lannister invasion (due to marrying Ramsay to an accomplice to regicide) and was thus prepared for a possible two front war and whatever exceedingly small amount of allies he would have after the House upon the Iron Throne stripped him of his rule over the north after less than two years.

    Willingly or unwillingly, it doesn't add up however you slice it. At the end of the day it only benefitted their love of edgelord Ramsay by giving the character a forced marriage with a character we'd known since the beginning of the story.

  20. 23 hours ago, Angel Eyes said:

    I made a typo.

    What I mean is that Daeron the Drunk was adapted out in Maester Aemon's conversation with Jon in Season 1, and he plays a small but pivotal role in the first Dunk and Egg book.

    I really don't think future projects will be all that worried about retconning small hiccups from GoT like this. Even Benioff and Weiss didn't care too much about continuity with the stuff they outright made up, and now we are in the post D&D era of the televised 'verse' too.

  21. 15 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

    I don't want to defend GRRM too much, but I'm not sure how much leverage and veto power he has within HBO. I assume he didn't have much veto power even during GoT, since he wasn't able to stop them from changing Jeyne Westerling's character, plus many other things.

    The way the rights were sold meant that I believe he'd need to sign off on at least the basic premise of any new idea, as I don't think HBO got rights to absolutely everything (D&D got the rights to adaptation, shopped around, and HBO picked them). There's been reports that he shut down ideas of Robert's Rebellion as a pitch as he believed it was supposed to be told through the main story, not as its own story.

    That being said, HBO could do something sly where they made Martin sign off on one idea in order to adapt another that he'd really wanted, like HOTD. I don't think that's true, though - as Ran said on the previous thread, he has had respect for the young actors like Kit. I also do think that some genuine enthusiasm seemed to shine through on Not A Blog.

  22. So if Kit Harington approached me and asked me for my ideas on a Jon Snow sequel, I guess I'd get back to him with 

    - Jon has been a liaison between the free folk, the Wall, and the North, and meets Val, prominent leader among the wildlings, who is as fierce as Ygritte and as regal as Dany (I'm not a huge fan of Val's personality from the books, but someone could definitely give her depth!). Eventually, they hear of new crises, covering some beyond-the-Wall problem that didn't make it into the show.

    - A good original hook would be e.g. Varamyr terrorizing people, seeing things like Thistle's death on screen. Jon eventually goes after him and starts uncovering his own skinchanger/warg powers that weren't really explored aside from the weird focus on Ghost when Mel was resurrecting him.

    - Jon has more visions, involving Rose Leslie as Ygritte. Eventually they lead him to uncovering more groups of Craster-like cultists. And then, at the temple of the White Walkers, he eventually finds the Night's Queen, a woman halfway between the White Walkers and humans, who can talk, and she says that 'oh, the so-called 'Night King' was just a weakened creation of mine'. She's not just an anti-Mel in being an ice witch instead of a fire witch, but a sort of anti-Dany as a Mother of Others instead of a Mother of Dragons (perhaps even being a pale blonde like her?) acting as a vehicle for Jon to explore his guilt.

    This is the point I ask GRRM for more details on what happens to Jon later, what happens in his version of the Long Night, and about the history of Westerosi magic, because I'm not super into the magical heresy stuff but it would probably be the driving force behind the plot, even if the real focus is Jon as a character. 

  23. 2 hours ago, EggBlue said:

    I still think this Snow show is not a good idea... I think you simply can't base a foundation on wreckage and show Jon Snow is already too damaged as a character .  (I'm not talking about character's choices , I'm talking about how the character was written to be a bland personality-less treacherous vanilla by the end )

    The one redeeming factor for me is that Kit Harington is at this point unshackled from the way that D&D wrote Jon for the past four seasons. Obviously he can't 'undo' their writing at such, but putting the character in his own hands, guided by a team of talented writers could at least give him the sort of depth that no character in the original show achieved by the end - at least in the most optimistic scenario.

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