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  1. I agree 100%. agree with all 3 sentences. I disagree here. It's quite possible that we, the readers, do not know all the information that the Westeros public know. It would be quite the conceit to think otherwise. Just because a topic hasn't been discussed or thought of yet by a POV character(s) doesn't mean they don't know about it. So it's possible that information from the app, which has not been verified by the text of the main series, is actually true. To be fair, given GRRM's writing style of subterfuge and unreliable narrators, even new information from the app may not actually be true but, as you say, may represent what the westeros public believe to be true. We simply don't know yet, and even at the end of books we may not "know" all the answers to the questions and mysteries that GRRM has littered throughout this story. That is an excellent question! The Stark family tree in TWOIAF does show Jon as Ned's bastard, although it lists the mother as Unknown. I wonder if Ran could comment on whether the family tree he saw lists Jon as Ned's bastard and the name of Jon's mother. I suspect not.
  2. yes, we definitely need the next novel or two! One small point, whether the family tree is canon or semi-canon is irrelevant to this discussion (it was relevant in the wiki thread because of the need to cite it in the wiki). Canon, to my understanding, does not mean true or false. i think canon refers to work written by the author. It is canon that Cat tells Ned that Lysa tells her that the Lannister had Jon Arya killed. We later learn that Lysa killed Jon Aryn at Littlefinger's direction. Both are canon, I believe, but it is untrue that the Lannister killed Jon. Likewise TWOIAF contains mainy family trees, making them canon, but not necessarily true...I think.
  3. Except for a few things 1) the in-world Stark family tree found in ASOIAF does not show when or where anybody died, 2) Ran's description of the Stark family tree he saw sounds like that family tree is reference for George only, i.e. NOT in-world
  4. Actually, the appendix to ADWD lists Joffrey, Tommen and Mrycella as children of Robert and Cersie. I just checked.
  5. I think I found where Ran talked about the Stark family tree showing that Lyanna died at the TOJ. See the attached link. I hope I did it right, i'm crappy at linking. it's entry 985. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/34958-the-asoiaf-wiki-thread/?p=7061843
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