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  1. GloubieBoulga

    The Stranger has three heads?

    The trio's figure is intriguing, and I also believe that it's not reserved to dragons, and the kneeling before the queen is interesting too; in the same Idea, the Harpy - Dany's ennemie - has three daughters, but "bastard" daughters if we follow Ser Jorah (ACOK, Daenerys 2): The queen has 3 bastard children, sure, but is she the "stranger" ? Or could the "stranger" be some other character (a "valonqar", for example ?) I have made other observations for the "stranger" : 6 + 1 (there is always one missing) As we can observe a symbolic avatar when Daenerys visits Vaes Tolorro, for exemple (ACOK, Daenerys 1): Number six appears in the very first scene with the Others. And perhaps, we could also pretend - if we follow Craster's wives and accord to them that Others are Craster's sons - that Gilly's son is the missing/stolen (saved ?) seventh. Note also that there is always a lord commander among the King's Guards (and when Jaime comes back for a little while, he is missing his sword's hand). Even Renly's Guard can't be completed.
  2. GloubieBoulga

    Puns and Wordplay

    Ha ha ! I just see now the wordplay well/wall. After all, the Wall is only icy water and might drown people where it melt.
  3. I used to see Septa Mordane as a variation on the "bad stepmother" (instead of Catelyn Stark), with Arya replaying the part of Cinderella. There is much allusions to Cinderella in Arya's story : she has "2 sisters" (Sansa and Jeyne, or Sansa and Myrcella in Sansa's very first chapter, where Jeyne doesn't appear; at Braavos, there are Brusco's 2 daughters, if I remember well), a "fairy godmother" with lady Smallwood giving her a new skirt (after that, she went out with her "prince Gendry", Arya IV ASOS), the mother dead (or absent), a father whom she is the "preferred" daughter ... The tale of the waif in the HOBAW seems to tell also a Cinderella's story. Cinderella's themes are in Arya's arc, but with some differences (Arya is the "ugly" daughter, like the "ugly little duck") and different issues (Arya flees and escapes to find a new life in others places, like Nymeria did in the past) : Arya is a kind of adventurous and dangerous Cinderella. Good stuff, Lady Dacey, which opens many ways to explore !
  4. GloubieBoulga

    Rickon's Role

    I was a bit short when writing : I wanted to say whithout the wolf there is no Rickon Stark (Manderly insists on the wolf as a identity's proof), but with the wolf and the "identity's proof", the game to gain the lordship in the North could be difficult as well for Rickon Stark. The narrative schema could be the exact opposit of Young Griff, pretending being Aegon Targaryen without dragons and possibly gaining easy the IT. I find the perspective interesting. Probably because Theon was the one who executed "Rickon" (and "Bran"). If a living Rickon reappears, Theon can't be guilty for his death.
  5. GloubieBoulga

    Rickon's Role

    At first sight, Rickon is playing on the same theme than young Griff : the hidden heir escaped from the death and the doom of his family who will claim the throne for "him" - in fact for the desire of power/revenge of other people (Varys/Illyrio for Young Griff, and Manderly for Rickon). The difference is that young Griff is probably a false heir and has good chances to gain the IT (but will he be able to keep it ?), but Rickon without the wolf has no sense and could have very few supporters in the North (= people who just don't want the Manderlys as biggest power in the North). Rickon could have a very bad and tragic end if he can't escape this game of throne.
  6. GloubieBoulga

    LF Chewing Mint

    Hi Seams ! I don't see any contradiction in both death and throne : the Iron throne is litteraly deadly and there are some quotes about the danger of becoming king/queen, for exemple : "My niece Myrcella is in Dorne, as it happens. And I have half a mind to make her a queen." Illyrio smiled as his serving men spooned out bowls of black cherries in sweet cream for them both. "What has this poor child done to you that you would wish her dead?" (Tyrion I, ADWD) I'm totally on board with you with the Trios god. But all this symbollic fits also with others meaning that are yet noticed in this thread, I'm thinking particularly to the mint as a manner to hide the lies (the stinky lies) : LF's castle in the Fingers is full of sheep's shit : this miserable castle is LF's real origin and life, the one he tries to hide committing or suggesting crimes. Exactly like Lord Tywin never shited gold and smells awfully after his death (under gold, there is no bitter steel, but bitter shit ) and committed awful crimes (same symbolic with Craster).
  7. GloubieBoulga

    LF Chewing Mint

    In occidental imaginery, mint is indeed associated with underworld and death, the opposit of the thyme (I think that in the saga, lemon and orange are playing the part of the thyme) which was the aroma used on the phoenix pyre. Thyme is linked to the sun, the hot and dryness. The mint is linked to the cold, darkness and damp. I think GRRM also used in his own way these symbols (mint//orange-lemon) to tell us some stories about winter and summer, sun and moon, cold and hot, ice and fire, and the origins of their deadly separation and antagonism. As a parallelism Sansa/Arya, you have the kindly man in the HOBAW, who is ordinary chewing orange's rinds.
  8. GloubieBoulga

    The Doom Of Valyria mystery

    Perhaps also, to have a parallelism with Winterfell : a Stark is always needed at Winterfell (and there, after a while without a Stark, in ADWD, you have the snow storm, for example), so a Targaryen could be also needed at Valyria to prevent some fire storm. Ironically, Daenys the Dreamer dreamt of the Doom and convinced her family to flee : it could be funny that she caused the Doom and realized a prophecy thinking that she was just saving her family.
  9. GloubieBoulga

    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    I never noticed the reverse wolf/flow, but I find it's a very nice catch, full of meaning ! I didn't quote what you wrote after that about Jeyne Poole and so on, but I like all this part of your post (and not only because I'm actually convinced that the black pool could be at least the black blood of a sacrified wolf prince, and that Winterfell will end in a litteral overflow - its weirwood burning, the black pool overflowing and the walls collapsing so the "spirit" of the ancient dead "wolf" can finally escape^^)
  10. 1. No. That's Hound's job, and Sandor Clegane is no more the Hound. 2. No.
  11. GloubieBoulga

    Could you have predicted ADWD events?

    I predicted absolutely nothing : I had read all the 5 books totally ignoring the internet and all the stuff with ASOIAF. I was reading the serie without looking for anticipation (I only anticipated Ned's death from the beginning). For ADWD, I remember that I thought "what the fuck ! what a bad and easy scenario this Young Griff/Aegon Targaryen !". I was deceived. After that, I discovered differents forum, and theories about fAegon (what a relief !), and R+L=J, and so on... I had missed quite all the stuff. Only now I'm playing the game of predictions, and I have already changed my mind about many of them.
  12. GloubieBoulga

    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    Thanks for the quote. I don't remember at all when and for what I wrote something like that, but with the time, I think now that there is more than symbolism between Dothrakis and First Men (it's long to explain, but I thought about a migration from west to east, just the reverse of what the official story is telling with Andals; perhaps not a massiv migration, but at least the migration of a leader (a "princess", a "Nymeria"), coming from Westeros, conquering a part of Essos and giving birth to future valyrian dragons or princes dragons (because of her/his blood probably full of "skinchanger's magic" after the Pact with the Children)... a bit like Daenerys, in fact, but Daenerys will probably achieve what this very old leader never achieved, i.e. come back to Westeros and put a real end to the "Long Night", after the probable devastation of Essos) Concerning the numbers, it seems that they have different fonctions and tell different stories : - the trio is telling about human relationship : love and hate relations and also relations between brothers and sisters. So I dare to bet that in the origins of the very long cycle, there were 3 sisters (remind the "rape of the 3 sisters", for example; but we can find the shema of the "3 women/sisters" during the serie with Catelyn/Lyanna/Lysa, or Catelyn/Lysa/Cersei, or Catelyn/Cersei/Lyanna, aso : in this trio, there is always a missing "sister", a dead sister; but GRRM likes also playing with the genders, so I wouldn't be surprised if the trio Doran/Oberyn/Elia was playing the same part : Doran has some similarities with an "old queen" (as a litterar type, I mean), and Oberyn uses as a weapon a spear, which is used in all the saga only by women, especially wildlings women; Oberyn also fathered only girls), and their respectiv children shared love and hate stories. - 9 : is about kingdoms, crowns, weirwood's grove, so I suspect this was the number of the lineages who received the "gift" from the Children (i.e. the ability to skinchange) and these originals lineages had shared the power on Westeros (at least on a very large north part)... and they also probably made wars. Yes, I think so, but probably not for long. Perhaps (but not for sure !) only the time for one king. There is a big litterar example with king Arthur, who is supposed to have unified and ruled a large kingdom, which did not survived to his death. - 7 (in fact, it's 6+1) is about companionship, a group originaly devoted to a leader (imo a female leader). The seventh is very intriguing because very often absent/dead/disappeared/taboo : for example, in the very first prologue, the Others are 6; but in Samwell's chapter from ASOS, there is only 1 Other; other example, the Kingsguard with his leader always missing during the serie : Barristan flying Westeros and joining Daenerys, Jaime prisoner and after that without his hand, and then sent to Riverlands and chosing Brienne against his sister Cersei to protect Sansa Stark : the 2 of them chose a young princess against a queen mother.
  13. GloubieBoulga

    Nymeria is poised to return

    I was just reading your post this afternoon, before you asked for my advice, and I vote for a good night more than for a coffee ^^ More seriously, I was wondering if Val being same family/blood than Mallister could bring more sense to the story, and I can't see the "bonus". But after reflexion, you pointed some common points, so if I'm not convinced yet with a real "common bloodfamily", there can be some common symbollic part, and perhaps they can represent some archetypes who are linked (with "archetype", I mean original characters of an original and ancient scenario, which tells the origins of the Stark of Winterfell, of Winterfell castle, of the Wall, and of course of the Others and Long Night). One of the archetypes I have found is a maiden - daughter of a "bear king" - who wanted a Stark's bastard but was married to a legitime (officialy) Stark (of Winterfell) after the death of the bastard. The color brown is associated with the bear (the color black too), for example in the song "the bear and the fair maiden", or in AGOT Eddard II when Robert is compared to a bear and wears brown gloves (there are many other example for the association brown-bear). The grey is for the Starks and the dead kingdom, the shadows and phantoms. It is not a real color in the saga, but the "color" of faded and dead things. So the brown and grey pelt could show Val as the "girl" of a dead king (as archetype, obviously). I see Val as a double of Dalla, I mean they both play same archetype but at different moments of the "original story" and with different possible issues. Dalla's baby saved by Jon make me imagine that there was perhaps in the far past a baby who was killed - just like Cersei orders to kill Robert's children, even if they are babies. So... I can't say much more for the moment, because I never seriously looked at the part played by the Mallisters. The only thing that come to my mind is about the name "Jason", who was a hero of greek mythology, who looked for the golden pelt of a ram and found it. The ram had a name "chrysomallos" (chrysos significate gold, in greek; and "mallos" significate wool; so the name of the ram is the exact sense of "golden pelt"), he had wings and was a symbol of fecondity. So there is perhaps a pun with Jason Mallister (Denys is also a name of greek origin : the original version is Dionysos; Denys is latin and short version, but I'm here talking only for the name, not for the god Dionysos who has his latin "equivalent" as Bacchus). And the ram/goat/lamb/sheep are playing a big part in the saga. And are linked to the bear's theme. Honestly, I can't say if it is totally intentional and calculated by GRRM. I don't know if I have helped, but there were the ideas that came to my mind ! ^^ Edit and Add-on about the hero Jason, who was linked to the sea with his companions, the "Argonauts".
  14. GloubieBoulga

    Puns and Wordplay

    Good catch, and that perfectly goes with the "sex and swordsplay" that @LmL recalled (but it's ASOS, not ACOK ^^)
  15. GloubieBoulga

    Puns and Wordplay

    Yes, eyes and nose gave me a solution, and also the parallelism between Tywin and Craster ^^ But I wonder if we can put exactly on the same line stags, whales, auroch, bulls and pigs and boars. I suspect (but without being certain) that stags or aurochs are regionals variations of the "bear character" as a king (= bear could be a "king" the North, and the stag in the south, for example), when bulls, pigs and boars are the false/fallen/dethroned form for them. But sometimes, we see directly a bear character loosing his throne. And those rams are truly fool bastards ! Ho ! I love the cheshire Cat stuff ! I didn't thought at all about it, but now that's sure, I will consider very attentively the crescent laughing moon. And indeed, we see this kind of moon during the wedding between Ramsay and fArya, and the weirwood is laughing (and perhaps also ready to eat, making the connection with the meat who was originally a sacrified animal for a feast) I'm interrogative about the "horned moon" (I can't recall if this expression exists in my native language) Finally, the wordplay between slaughter and laughter tells us also about feasts of deads/(after) battles
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