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  1. Lollygag

    Poll: Is Quentyn, Called 'Frog', Still Alive?

    But Disco lives! It's undergoing a revival through Daft Punk, Bruno Mars, Pharrell, Justin Timberlake, the Weeknd and others. The guitarist from Chic plays on Daft Punk's Get Lucky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5EofwRzit0 Another Daft Punk disco call out with the guitarist from Chic. Lose Yourself to (Disco) Dance. Check the disco/Soul Train call outs in the video. There's an unofficial video where it's set to clips of Soul Train with nearly 82 million views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF-kLy44Hls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXv37PFcAQ The Weeknd's Can't Feel My Face is heavy with disco funk riffs and the video has lots of 70s call outs including that disco ball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEI4qSrkPAs Bruno Mars' very disco-y Treasure has an equally disco-y video heavily influenced by the Trammps' Disco Inferno and Earth, Wind and Fire's September and Let's Groove Tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvuNsRccVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrle0x_DHBM Bruno also channels disco heavily (especially KC and the Sunshine Band) in Uptown Funk and credits it with his very 70s video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0
  2. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Dany sees Pyat step out from under the trees and asks if he's been there all along. It likens Pyat to BR, Bran, etc. Dany asking this is a prompt to the reader to ask this same question in a more serious way. Maybe he really is there all of the time. ACOK Daenerys IV "Queen Daenerys must enter alone, or not at all." The warlock Pyat Pree stepped out from under the trees. Has he been there all along? Dany wondered. "Should she turn away now, the doors of wisdom shall be closed to her forevermore." Pyat has blue lips and is implied to live under the trees permanently but is also present in a more real way, though not always so real as a normal person. The Undying are much bluer than Pyat and seem unable to leave, and don't function like Pyat. The Undying strike me as what Pyat will become like Bran will become like BR and the rest. Does the varying blueness indicate the level of connection to the trees like the thoroughness of connection to the roots? Only Pyat's mouth is blue, mouth as a gateway to the trees. But the Undying are all blue as BR is thoroughly run through by roots. Are they actually the trees as BR is nearly so just with a different connection type? ADWD Bran III "Most of him has gone into the tree," explained the singer Meera called Leaf. "He has lived beyond his mortal span, and yet he lingers. For us, for you, for the realms of men. Only a little strength remains in his flesh. He has a thousand eyes and one, but there is much to watch. One day you will know." Dany sees Pyat under the trees, she then walks under the trees again (it's dark) to the door/mouth of the Palace of Dust. Implied is the undergroundness that we see with BR and Bran. She compares it to a face like we see in a weirwood tree. White tree cast its sacrifices into the mouth. The imagery says Dany herself is going into the trees where the Undying live. Dany burns the Palace of Dust but Pyat, outside, burns too. He's always under the trees, and also in the Palace of Dust with the Undying? Looks like a weirnet-type connection outside the roots themselves. I wonder at the presence of sorcery and why the trees look different and sorcery being used to by-pass the physical connection requirement for a psychic one or something (lots of psychic connections in the series: wargs, skinchangers, Others' control over the wights) would be a means to create a different connection which is less of a handicap, at least for a while. Sorcery being used for a not-physical connection to the trees would explain their being black and blue, like a bruise. It would also explain the weirdness of Dany's visions compared to Bran's. Are they sick trees? Wrong trees? Sorcery is known to warp in this world. Practitioners are often describes as squat, short, hinting at a worsening appearance over time. Cersei makes a more literal connection. The Palace of Dust is hardly a picture of strength. AFFC Cersei VIII The old woman's eyes were yellow, and crusted all about with something vile. In Lannisport it was said that she had been young and beautiful when her husband had brought her back from the east with a load of spices, but age and evil had left their marks on her. She was short, squat, and warty, with pebbly greenish jowls. Her teeth were gone and her dugs hung down to her knees. You could smell sickness on her if you stood too close, and when she spoke her breath was strange and strong and foul. "Begone," she told the girls, in a croaking whisper. TWOW Spoiler
  3. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    I'm going with the long list of connections and parallels in the books and not ruling out the possibility yet especially in the face of more info forthcoming. I also choose to acknowledge the difference between the certainty I can have of an event like Ned's head getting chopped off and the level of certainty I can claim of an hallucinogenic vision. I'm not convinced by posters who claim certainty in knowing what's not yet published. I'm also not overlooking how GRRM loves to tell tales only in part and hold back crucial info for later, nor that Qarth is part of this held back info. Cause it's not like he never does that or anything.
  4. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    merely chatting is it possible Eddard is a godly man and the washing of his sword was an act of cleansing his soul as in Eddard does not like passing the sentence and swinging the sword and that it is troubling to him I'm all for multiple meanings. I really love this a lot. Kind of like a baptism or a confession. Perfect for Ned. Def don't think Ned thought of it as a sacrifice. this is kinda iffy for me picking things out of peoples posts can be a hit or miss yeah, that is vague on my part  it's the best I can do for the moment thanks Edit: I didn't pay a lot attention to Dany's adventures therefore I am of the opinion that Dany's hallucinogenic experience with the juice is like Bran's experience with the paste ---- mystically seeing the past, the present and the future. But, having poorly described my ideas, Euron's use of the juice is different than Bran or Dany's experience. By itself, I agree. It's that it fits an overall pattern of sacrifice and that's how things like that tend to work in real life which tilts the scales for me. Sorta like how our modern Christmas tree started out a pagan solstice ritual. Easter eggs are derived from an old fertility/springtime traditions that became juxtaposed with the Resurrection. I consider a lot of Westeros' habits may be telling of things that happened long ago. The Royces' armor with the runes that they seem to have forgotten is a big one. I wonder what they forgot.
  5. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Really can't believe you said that for a number of reasons. There is no proof of possibility for someone who holds "since the author did not specifically mention that x, we can safely say that never x." Especially for this author and this series. And "safely" is not the same as So I'm not going to try to prove the possibility to you when you refuse to see that Dany looks a lot like a sacrifice, that it's strongly hinted that the trees, Pyat, the Palace are connected, that you're certain (again, how?) that the only connection between the weirwoods and bizarro weirwoods is only a literary one (my impression is that most on this forum think the connection goes beyond just literary), can't explain why "resource to be harvested" is mutually exclusive to a sacrifice beyond changing the subject to truthfulness of Jojen paste while ignoring my overall point that it was an example showing that people generally equate them (I don't buy Jojen paste btw)...etc. Nope. nothing in the books about it. If the shade trees required a sacrifice, it would have been mentioned. The blue wine made from the bark is magical. that is it Your original point was no sacrifice was mentioned. I pointed out that Dany was there and it looked an awful lot like a sacrifice. As for not seeing Qarth anymore in the story and there's nothing more to learn about this subject, I again find your certainty misinformed.
  6. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Ok GRRM.
  7. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    I agree too. I disagree on banging the gavel on it being absolutely impossible especially given the parallels between the trees and Dany looking like a sacrifice and what looks a lot like an only death can pay for life swap. It didn't used to be in the books either that Tyrion was a slave in Essos. Yet it happened. "Not in the books" and the heavily implied "never will be in the books" isn't a quality argument unless you're going after something really outlandish like LF is a lizard man from outer space.
  8. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Yeah, I didn't say it was certain. Only that it's possible. Repeatedly now so not sure why you keep portraying certainty as my argument. It's possible, especially as it fits the overall connection between weirwoods and bizarro weirwoods. Are you actually maintaining that it's absolutely impossible? You've not explained how "resource that is harvested" is mutually exclusive to a sacrifice. Was Jojen "harvested" but not sacrificed? Other executions under weirwoods "harvested" but not sacrificed? These sorts of things are often tied to together both in ASOIAF and real life ancient sacrifice cultures. Actually, they often go hand-in-hand in the view of the cultures who practice this. Blood sacrifice = literal harvest. The Aztecs believed their blood sacrifices nourished their gods. GRRM uses a similar structure. The World of Ice and Fire - The Reach: Garth Greenhand A few of the very oldest tales of Garth Greenhand present us with a considerably darker deity, one who demanded blood sacrifice from his worshippers to ensure a bountiful harvest. In some stories the green god dies every autumn when the trees lose their leaves, only to be reborn with the coming of spring. This version of Garth is largely forgotten. https://www.ancient.eu/Aztec_Sacrifice/
  9. Lollygag

    A new look at the puple wedding

    We've had this discussion before and we just don't see Joff the same way at all.
  10. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Don't think the Undying are gods. They look more like BR. The weirwood sacrifices that the North does and what was found at White Tree don't seem like extracting magical properties as you put it so I'm not sure that applies here either. Folks refer to Jojen as being sacrificed for Bran if one believes Jojen paste. Only death can pay for life sacrifices can be characterized as "a resource that x wants". And they wanted her blood too as they were biting her. I'm not sure what's going on here at all. Just pointing out that there actually is something that looks like a sacrifice wrapped up in all of this.
  11. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Ok, last one for now. ACOK Daenerys IV "Queen Daenerys must enter alone, or not at all." The warlock Pyat Pree stepped out from under the trees. Has he been there all along? Dany wondered. "Should she turn away now, the doors of wisdom shall be closed to her forevermore." … It was darker than she would have thought under the black trees, and the way was longer. Though the path seemed to run straight from the street to the door of the palace, Pyat Pree soon turned aside. When she questioned him, the warlock said only, "The front way leads in, but never out again. Heed my words, my queen. The House of the Undying Ones was not made for mortal men. If you value your soul, take care and do just as I tell you." … When they reached the door—a tall oval mouth, set in a wall fashioned in the likeness of a human face—the smallest dwarf Dany had ever seen was waiting on the threshold. He stood no higher than her knee, his faced pinched and pointed, snoutish, but he was dressed in delicate livery of purple and blue, and his tiny pink hands held a silver tray. Upon it rested a slender crystal glass filled with a thick blue liquid: shade of the evening, the wine of warlocks. "Take and drink," urged Pyat Pree. ... When she stopped, she found herself in yet another dank stone chamber . . . but this time the door opposite was round, shaped like an open mouth, and Pyat Pree stood outside in the grass beneath the trees. "Can it be that the Undying are done with you so soon?" he asked in disbelief when he saw her. … When she spilled out into the sun, the bright light made her stumble. Pyat Pree was gibbering in some unknown tongue and hopping from one foot to the other. When Dany looked behind her, she saw thin tendrils of smoke forcing their way through cracks in the ancient stone walls of the Palace of Dust, and rising from between the black tiles of the roof. We keep seeing Pyat repeatedly connected to the trees. Dany passes under the trees to get to the Palace of Dust, and its opening is a lot like the human face of the weirwood and the door with the open mouth reminds of the mouth of the weirwood at White Tree. We see Pyat react as if he had been burned himself when the Palace of Dust burned. Pyat was connected to the trees, the Palace’s opening was like the mouth of the weirwood, so the Palace itself is part of the trees? Was Dany inside the bizarro weirwoods? Maybe the sorcery allows for a shortcut or a way around the physical connection requirement. Pyat tells Dany that the Palace of Dust wasn't made for mortal men and that she should be careful for her soul maybe not unlike BR's state. ADWD Bran III "Most of him has gone into the tree," explained the singer Meera called Leaf. "He has lived beyond his mortal span, and yet he lingers. For us, for you, for the realms of men. Only a little strength remains in his flesh. He has a thousand eyes and one, but there is much to watch. One day you will know." Not made for mortal men. But Dany is mortal yet goes in. BR is a Blackwood bastard and Dany is half Blackwood from being inbred. Bran sees giant bats skeletons in the caves and the Undying want the dragons...
  12. No evidence but I see it suggested in parallels. Arya looks like Lyanna and Gendry like Robert and Gendry seemed to rather like those things about Arya. Basically another case of using current characters to suggest what may have happened in the past. If Robert was truly really drawn to the tomboy qualities, it would explain why he was so hung up on Lyanna and why she was so hard to replace for him.
  13. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    Not sure we have anything about the weirwood requiring sacrifice exactly, but it’s heavily implied. Ned washing his bloody sword in the godswood and having executions by weirwoods looks like a more civilized remnant of an earlier, harsher tradition. Sort of like how the old Kings of Winter used to be harsher and harder than the more recent KitN and Lords of Winterfell. ACOK Jon II (Craster's mother was from White Tree) Whitetree, the village was named on Sam's old maps. Jon did not think it much of a village. Four tumbledown one-room houses of unmortared stone surrounded an empty sheepfold and a well. The houses were roofed with sod, the windows shuttered with ragged pieces of hide. And above them loomed the pale limbs and dark red leaves of a monstrous great weirwood. It was the biggest tree Jon Snow had ever seen, the trunk near eight feet wide, the branches spreading so far that the entire village was shaded beneath their canopy. The size did not disturb him so much as the face . . . the mouth especially, no simple carved slash, but a jagged hollow large enough to swallow a sheep. Those are not sheep bones, though. Nor is that a sheep's skull in the ashes. ADWD Davos IV "Then a long cruel winter fell," said Ser Bartimus. "The White Knife froze hard, and even the firth was icing up. The winds came howling from the north and drove them slavers inside to huddle round their fires, and whilst they warmed themselves the new king come down on them. Brandon Stark this was, Edrick Snowbeard's great-grandson, him that men called Ice Eyes. He took the Wolf's Den back, stripped the slavers naked, and gave them to the slaves he'd found chained up in the dungeons. It's said they hung their entrails in the branches of the heart tree, as an offering to the gods. The old gods, not these new ones from the south. Your Seven don't know winter, and winter don't know them." TWOW Spoiler The Davos passage shows that they think the sacrifices to the weirwood are to the gods. Dany really does look like a sacrifice here. Blood is linked to heat and fire and life in the books, and Dany says that this is what the Undying want from her. The Undying might be like the gods/greenseers/whatever of the weirwood and if so, it works. It's debatable, though. I'm not overlooking a big sacrifice in connection to all of this though. ACOK Daenerys IV Faster and faster the visions came, one after the other, until it seemed as if the very air had come alive. Shadows whirled and danced inside a tent, boneless and terrible. A little girl ran barefoot toward a big house with a red door. Mirri Maz Duur shrieked in the flames, a dragon bursting from her brow. Behind a silver horse the bloody corpse of a naked man bounced and dragged. A white lion ran through grass taller than a man. Beneath the Mother of Mountains, a line of naked crones crept from a great lake and knelt shivering before her, their grey heads bowed. Ten thousand slaves lifted bloodstained hands as she raced by on her silver, riding like the wind. "Mother!" they cried. "Mother, mother!" They were reaching for her, touching her, tugging at her cloak, the hem of her skirt, her foot, her leg, her breast. They wanted her, needed her, the fire, the life, and Dany gasped and opened her arms to give herself to them . . . But then black wings buffeted her round the head, and a scream of fury cut the indigo air, and suddenly the visions were gone, ripped away, and Dany's gasp turned to horror. The Undying were all around her, blue and cold, whispering as they reached for her, pulling, stroking, tugging at her clothes, touching her with their dry cold hands, twining their fingers through her hair. All the strength had left her limbs. She could not move. Even her heart had ceased to beat. She felt a hand on her bare breast, twisting her nipple. Teeth found the soft skin of her throat. A mouth descended on one eye, licking, sucking, biting . . . Edit: more rambling: BR and Bran strike me as prisoners and so did the Undying. The Undying needed fire, life, what's connected to blood and Bran is speculated to have been given blood. The Undying and BR don't seem that different. BR could be described as Undying. ADWD Bran III One was full of singers, enthroned like Brynden in nests of weirwood roots that wove under and through and around their bodies. Most of them looked dead to him, but as he crossed in front of them their eyes would open and follow the light of his torch, and one of them opened and closed a wrinkled mouth as if he were trying to speak. "Hodor," Bran said to him, and he felt the real Hodor stir down in his pit. Seated on his throne of roots in the great cavern, half-corpse and half-tree, Lord Brynden seemed less a man than some ghastly statue made of twisted wood, old bone, and rotted wool. The only thing that looked alive in the pale ruin that was his face was his one red eye, burning like the last coal in a dead fire, surrounded by twisted roots and tatters of leathery white skin hanging off a yellowed skull. A spray of dark red leaves sprouted from his skull, and grey mushrooms spotted his brow. A little skin remained, stretched across his face, tight and hard as white leather, but even that was fraying, and here and there the brown and yellow bone beneath was poking through. ACOK Daenerys IV She is not breathing. Dany listened to the silence. None of them are breathing, and they do not move, and those eyes see nothing. Could it be that the Undying Ones were dead? Her answer was a whisper as thin as a mouse's whisker. . . . we live . . . live . . . live . . . it sounded. Myriad other voices whispered echoes. . . . and know . . . know . . . know . . . know . . . ... Through the indigo murk, she could make out the wizened features of the Undying One to her right, an old old man, wrinkled and hairless. His flesh was a ripe violet-blue, his lips and nails bluer still, so dark they were almost black. Even the whites of his eyes were blue. They stared unseeing at the ancient woman on the opposite side of the table, whose gown of pale silk had rotted on her body. One withered breast was left bare in the Qartheen manner, to show a pointed blue nipple hard as leather.
  14. Lollygag

    Shade of the evening.

    I very much agree with this. Maybe this will set off the same bells for you as it did me. Here, you have Qaathi, woods walkers who are CotF-like, a hero-king named Huzhor Amai (like Azor Ahai), and it chains to the Dothraki. The trees fit right into this. Heard somewhere that there's no Qarth chapter in the TWOIAF because it'd be too spoilery. A lot of people are aggravated about Dany spending time with the Dothraki, but I think they might know some things related to the Others, CotF, the trees, etc., through this history. Probably would need to find it at Dosh Khaleen. I think the Dothraki are starting to look tied into the story of the Others and the CotF at a deeper level that we have yet to see and no longer see them as just being muscle men for Dany. Wonder if the crones (wise women types) of Dosh Khaleen would follow Dany/Stallion that Mounts the World to Westeros? I'm not sure about the trees specifically, but I think there's maybe clues to be found in these part of TWOIAF regarding this. The first place I'd look is maybe is how the Tall Men were like the Zoqora, but very dark and sorcerers. Maybe that dark coloring was from the Zoqora using sorcery and they turned dark and this affected the trees too? Dunno. I'll end the stream-of-consciousness rambling now. The World of Ice and Fire - Beyond the Free Cities: The Grasslands In the southeast the proud city-states of the Qaathi arose; in the forests to the north, along the shores of the Shivering Sea, were the domains of the woods walkers, a diminutive folk whom many maesters believe to have been kin to the children of the forest; between them could be found the hill kingdoms of the Cymmeri, the long-legged Gipps with their wicker shields and lime-stiffened hair, and the brown-skinned pale-haired Zoqora, who rode to war in chariots. Westeros remembers their conquerors as the Sarnori, for at its height their great kingdom included all the lands watered by the Sarne and its vassals, and the three great lakes that were all that remained of the shrinking Silver Sea. They called themselves the Tall Men (in their own tongue the Tagaez Fen). Long of limb and brown of skin they were, like the Zoqora, though their hair and eyes were black as night. Warriors, sorcerers, and scholars, they traced their descent to the hero king they called Huzhor Amai (the Amazing), born of the last of the Fisher Queens, who took to wife the daughters of the greatest lords and kings of the Gipps, the Cymmeri, and the Zoqora, binding all three peoples to his rule. His Zoqora wife drove his chariot, it is said, his Cymer wife made his armor (for her people were the first to work iron), and he wore about his shoulders a great cloak made from the pelt of a king of the Hairy Men. … This is not the place to chronicle the events of the years and wars that followed, as the great cities of the Kingdoms of Sarnor fell piecemeal to the Dothraki. Those who wish a more detailed account are directed to Bello's The End of the Tall Men, Maester Illister's Horse Tribes, Being a Study of the Nomads of the Eastern Plains of Essos, the eastern chapters and appendices of Maester Joseth's Battles and Sieges of the Century of Blood, and Vaggoro's definitive Ruined Cities, Stolen Gods. The World of Ice and Fire - Beyond the Free Cities: Ib All that ended two hundred years ago with the coming of the Dothraki. The horselords had hitherto shunned the forests of the northern coasts; some say this was because of their reverence for the vanished wood walkers, others because they feared their powers. Whatever the truth, the Dothraki did not fear the men of Ib. Khal after khal began to make incursions into Ibbenese territories, overrunning the farms and fields and holdfasts of the hairy men with fire and steel, putting the males to the sword whilst carrying off their wives into slavery.
  15. Lollygag

    A castle made of snow

    The only way back to the Eyrie that I can think of is Dany’s dragons which brings another possible candidate for a giant onto the scene. I agree with those who think Dany and Tyrion will come back to Westeros through the Vale after leaving Braavos. Guessing Arya will be along (dragon stuff in her arc, only Stark to no yet have a positive connection to Tyrion, and as a FM, skinchanger, and Stark, is an ideal kill switch should Dany go off the rails or lose control of the other two dragons).* I don’t think Sansa will kill or contribute to Tyrion’s death, though. Just interesting to play with. *Ok, I just think about everyone will end up in the Vale. Think Jaime and Brienne, maybe Stoneheart, will end up there. See the Hound there, too. Likely very, very wrong.
  16. Clarifying in regards to TWOIAF... TWOIAF, D&E, F&B are optional reading, meaning ASOIAF isn't being written with the expectation or requirement that these be read. And a vast majority of readers are casual readers and won't read the more obscure info or spend waayyy too much time on fan forums. So to base too much info on this content when it doesn't have a place in ASOIAF is going to make the readers confused unless it's reintroduced later into ASOIAF proper via TWOW or ADOS. http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2018/04/25/fire-blood-on-the-way/ Red changes mine.
  17. If you don't like the stereotype and reputation that the Lannisters as a whole have all through the world of Westeros and in the fandom, take it up with GRRM, not me. I didn't write the books. It's there whether you like it or not and it's all over the place as we see from the Starks, Tullys, Baratheons, Tyrells, Martells...probably easier to list who actually thinks well of them. Start a different thread if you think they were given a raw deal. I'm done.
  18. Lollygag

    A new look at the puple wedding

    This is up to interpretation, but I see the killing of Joff as really being pushed by the Tyrells. Had deal-breaker written all over it. Joff abuses Marg inevitably + the protective KG Loras who's very impulsive = that's really not going to go well. Loras being a hot tamale was a big thing. Marg has some control over Joff, but why risk it all when Tommen's right there, young, malleable, impressionable and infinitely more pleasant? A perfect fit for Marg's benevolent queen gig? That's the deal I'd make if I was an ambitious Tyrell ok with killing my way to the top.
  19. So you just decided to ignore my previous posts where I stated that I'm well aware of the exceptions why they need to be there. I disagree that the Lannisters are going to be described overall as kind and generous by the Westerosi in ASOIAF, or by a vast majority of the readers. Hence why I treat this as one hint about Lynesse. I'm not going to recount to you all of the times that Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, Tyrells, Martells, etc, go on about how they hate them for exactly the qualities I mentioned.
  20. Bolded 1: The bulk of the readers aren't reading TWOIAF, D&E, F&B, and nor are they spending time in forums like these, so you get on shaky ground on anything when your info relies too much on these sources over the books proper. And dig into the gold/greed and sometimes cave thing a bit more (LOTR, myths in general, dragons hoard gold in caves...). It's all over the place and not just in ASOIAF. No one needed it to be explained when U2 wrote in New Year's Day And so we are told this is the golden age And gold is the reason for the wars we wage Bolded 2: No. I said I was addressing a pattern where we see the Lannisters - overall - being linked to power and greed/ambition. I know very well that each generation seems to have a glaring exception in Tytos, Kevan, Jaime and Tommen, because as I said, it doesn't make sense to write everyone with the same checklist of traits. Bolded 3: My view of power is much less rigid and the books give a very nuanced view overall. As I showed by using the example of Lynesse. My point was Lynesse has power, as in autonomy. Lynesse doesn't have power in the Westeros way and she wouldn't achieve that sort of power in that way. The Sailor's Wife operates in much the same way and she has a daughter named Lanna. Power isn't just the rigid view castles and politics and we aren't supposed to view it this way either in this series as it shows various form of power beyond that of the Lord and his castle. It's not just wanting to rule the world. Take a closer look at those examples of yours and ask yourself if they're really smart moves for power and ask what kind of power the character really wants. If you don't see the difference between the Lannisters and the other families in this regard, I don't know what to tell ya. But go ahead and keep on holding up the broad view of the Lannisters as a great example of weakness and generosity outside of Tywin and Cersei and overlooking the whole gold/cave/power thing. If you want to discuss it further, start a new topic and tag me. This is getting waaay off. To my original point, I think we saw a Lannisport Lannister through Lynesse (Lioness of the gold-spun hair) on her mother's side.
  21. Greed and power: the Lannisters literally live in a gold mine. Crap writing to connect a family to the largest source of gold in that world and not link them to greed and power as that connection's impossible not to make. Their money and power is part of the family history going back to their origin. It doesn't make sense and would be bad writing to give every single character of a family the exact same checklist of traits. It's not realistic. Gotta take a broad view of these sort of things and the broad view of the family links them to this. And not just Tywin and Cersei. Tyrion relished his position as Hand in a very dark way and in ADWD, we see Tyrion begin to take a much darker view of power. Then there was Joff who was in a category by himself. Tygett and Gerion competed with Tywin but couldn't win. Genna's the one who wears the pants in her family. Lancel gains power via his alignment with the HS. Wouldn't be surprised at all if we see Tyrek reappear in the same vein as he was very upset with his powerlessness in his marriage to a baby. Disregard for tradition and protocol is even more pervasive in some form. Lynesse fits right in.
  22. Lannisters and Lynesse are the only characters described as having spun-gold hair. Her name sounds like Lioness. She met Jorah at a tourney at Lannisport. She has that wife/whore thing that's so common with Lannisters. Jorah couldn't keep her happy financially. There's the Lannister greed for power as she has managed to gain a lot of power for herself as a whore combined with the Lannister disregard for tradition and protocol. It would fit like an old shoe if Lynesse's mother was a Lannisport Lannister.
  23. Lollygag

    A castle made of snow

    There's also the weirwood doors and throne.
  24. Lollygag

    A castle made of snow

    GRRM often leaves clues in proximity if one reads closely. Just a few pages before the castle made of snow in the preceding Jon chapter: ASOS Jon XII He wanted it, Jon knew then. He wanted it as much as he had ever wanted anything. I have always wanted it, he thought, guiltily. May the gods forgive me. It was a hunger inside him, sharp as a dragonglass blade. A hunger . . . he could feel it. It was food he needed, prey, a red deer that stank of fear or a great elk proud and defiant. He needed to kill and fill his belly with fresh meat and hot dark blood. His mouth began to water with the thought. It was a long moment before he understood what was happening. When he did, he bolted to his feet. "Ghost?" He turned toward the wood, and there he came, padding silently out of the green dusk, the breath coming warm and white from his open jaws. "Ghost!" he shouted, and the direwolf broke into a run. He was leaner than he had been, but bigger as well, and the only sound he made was the soft crunch of dead leaves beneath his paws. When he reached Jon he leapt, and they wrestled amidst brown grass and long shadows as the stars came out above them. "Gods, wolf, where have you been?" Jon said when Ghost stopped worrying at his forearm. "I thought you'd died on me, like Robb and Ygritte and all the rest. I've had no sense of you, not since I climbed the Wall, not even in dreams." The direwolf had no answer, but he licked Jon's face with a tongue like a wet rasp, and his eyes caught the last light and shone like two great red suns. Red eyes, Jon realized, but not like Melisandre's. He had a weirwood's eyes. Red eyes, red mouth, white fur. Blood and bone, like a heart tree. He belongs to the old gods, this one. And he alone of all the direwolves was white. Six pups they'd found in the late summer snows, him and Robb; five that were grey and black and brown, for the five Starks, and one white, as white as Snow. He had his answer then. This is only time in the books that Jon connects his name with actual snow and we're told to equate snow to Snow. We flip a few pages and Sansa comes across snow and mentions that it falls in "ghostly silence". She’s in white fur calling to mind Ghost. Sansa has red hair and white skin/fur and thinks about the old gods. Like Jon, she's also thinking about Winterfell quite intensely. Again like Jon, she brings up the importance of the heart tree. I really like the Eyrie connection though. Just don't see how it could happen. It's strongly connected to ice and snow elsewhere, too.
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