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  1. 1 hour ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

    And after rearming the Faith and helping the Sparrows who are fanatics and zealots and her private war against the Tyrells, Cersei's dumbest move has to be her insulting and pissing the Iron Bank off by defering the payments on the loans from the IB to build a new expansive royal fleet just because she doesn't trust the Redwyne Fleet, and then reject and humiliate their envoy Noho Dimittis.

    Of course the Iron Bank would retaliate by calling outstanding debts from all over Westeros and refusing all new loans, causing economic chaos, and by supporting Stannis.

    And of course the other banks from Essos wouldn't answer the crown's pleads for new loans, they aren't going to lend any money anymore to the ones foolish and untrustworthy enough to refuse to pay and insult the most powerful and dangerous bank in the world who has ties with the Faceless Men. 

    One could list all Cersei's plans in AFFC and we couldn't get an agreement which one was the worst. Do you remember the convoluted plot to kill Jon Snow?

     

  2. Vargo Hoat slobbery language question:

    When Jaime sets to rescue Brienne, there is a line I don't understand

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    "Thay out of thith, Kingthlayer, unleth you'd like another thump." He waved a wine cup. "Your thee-mooth bit oth my ear. Thmall wonder her father will not ranthom thuch a freak."

    thee-mooth....

    What the heck is that. I'm not a native speaker and I've pronouncing that sentences in all possible forms like an idiot and still cannot make sense of this.

    thee-mooth. thee-mooth.  thee-mooth

    Please help!

     

  3. On 3/4/2019 at 2:41 AM, Lord Varys said:

     

    I think I've discussed that rather in-depth with Ran sometime ago (which was mainly about the question whether Mance is still Stannis' man or rather Jon's now that Stannis has handed him over to him in the guise of Rattleshirt). I maintain that Stannis must know, and that his knowledge of that is also the reason why he makes a gift of Rattleshirt to Jon. He wants the man close to Jon who, in a sense, convinced him to spare Mance's life, because he came to the conclusion Mance knows stuff about the Others that is going to help them in the future.

    There is also very little reason to assume that Stannis would suffer scum like Rattleshirt at his councils, not even as a quiet attendant. Stannis does not like to surround himself with morons. He may have done that to please Mel, but surely he must have realized that Rattleshirt is suddenly completely different than he used to be assuming him being at those councils actually had a function - meaning that 'Rattleshirt' advised them on wildlings and other things.

    I fully agree. It would be very out of character to have Rattleshirt in his councils, even he spared his life. Who is Rattleshirt? he is not only scum, but a nobody scum. He is not highly regarded even among the Free Folk.

     

    On 3/4/2019 at 2:41 AM, Lord Varys said:

    The idea that Mel would actually deceive Stannis about something as, well, important such as this and then later basically undo the glamor and allow Mance to go down south in his real shape is, quite frankly, very weird if we assume that Stannis does not know. He is likely not going to be very pleased where he to find out that Mel (and at least Godry Farring) betrayed him. Also, 'Mance' seems to imply that a number of people were involved in the deception when Godry cuts him off. His last word is 'they'. It would be very odd if Stannis himself wasn't a part of this 'they'.

    If he was, then Stannis is even less in control of his own court and people than all the heavy symbolism about the queen's men and the hold Melisandre has over him implies.

    There is another piece of evidence that more people knew about the switch. When we start ADWD we learn that Val tried to escape, attempted to kill his guardians and finally begged Stannis to spare Mance's life, even promising to wed a "kneeler". When Stannis burns "Mance", she stays besides him quietly and acts meekly afterwards, never attempting to escape again and she keeps faith overall. The implications are obvious. Val was in the known.  She may have even told Tormund that Mance is alive, explaining his lack of surprise during the reading of the Pink Letter.

    Of course, Mel may have convinced Val and still keep the thing out of Stannis knowledge, but with so many people knowing stuff, things get dangerous.

     

    On 3/4/2019 at 2:41 AM, Lord Varys said:

    But there are hints that Stannis might indeed not know. 'Mance' only curses Melisandre and not Stannis when he curses in his cage, Mel is actually relieved when Jon puts 'Mance' out of his misery, unlike Stannis (but perhaps Mel never told Stannis how strongly she would feel the fire while upholding the glamor), but this is really inconclusive.

    It is possible that Stannis approved and Mel did the dirty work, so "Mance" didn't know anything, which is actually implied in the scene.

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