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  1. Leo of House Cartel

    The Others - A Civilisation or A Created Weapon?

    I'd like to hear more about this idea, seems like a pretty cool take which I've not seen. A COTF splinter cell makes me think of something like the Ifequevron, but I don't find it likely that they were responsible for the creation of the Others.Perhaps the difference between certain the red and green eyed COTF could suggest some kind of cultural differences, but one might expect blue eyes if we are talking about a parent figure for the Cold Shadows. Don't worry, you're speaking my local tinfoilish dialect :-p While foil may be tinny, I do think your idea of the COTF mentally influencing human belief systems is an extremely strong possibility. The Children apparently taught the First Men to believe in the Old Gods, so one imagines they would have quickly recognised the power and influence which religion can hold over humans. In this case, I think its highly plausible they would see the value in creating different deitys for the humans to fear. In terms of more recent activity regarding the COTF and human religions, we know some Wok Nak Dag Gram, such as Leaf, ventured South of Wall during the Targaryen era. This, combined with the abilities of Bloodraven himself, leaves the potential for all sorts of faith based skinchanging, whispering and shenanigans. Nicely put. If all men must die then I wonder what the likes of the Kindly Man or Jaquen would think of the stories surrounding the Others' enthrallment the dead. Terms like "an afront to our beliefs", "abomination" and "heresy" spring to mind. If the Faceless Men were to somehow view compelling enough evidence of a wight, perhaps this could be enough for the House of Black to join the fight against the coming cold. @kissdbyfire In regards to the concepts of the Others' society and culture, what's your opinion on the theorised "laughter" they displayed during the duel with Waymar Royce? Analysing a society's sence of humour can be a great way to understand their overall culture, so I wonder, what it was they found so funny in this situation? Was it "jock" style humour in the sense of "haha, this little dweeby human totally ain't as athletic as me!"? Maybe it was some kind of "obnoxious blacksmith" type-thing where the Cold Shadows regarded Waymar's daft human sword in the same way one of us might look at a dodgy 80s movie which is "so bad, it's good". The Others are described to have a certain "beauty" and "elegance", so perhaps they were laughing because they simply find beauty in death, comedy in tragedy.
  2. Leo of House Cartel

    The Others - A Civilisation or A Created Weapon?

    Hard to pick at the moment, but the Op really gets the imagination going, so I'll offer some random musings. The "genetically engineered by the COTF" take does pose many questions, as the Children have been promoted as so connected natural life, to the point where it can sometimes seem odd that they would create a species which seemingly has such an adverse effect on animal and plant based lifeforms. If the COTF did create the White Walkers to do battle with the First Men, one has to wonder how the little tree people might have debated such a course of action before they made the final decision. If they knew exactly how these genetic constructs would turn out, how would they justify risking the rest of Planetos, just to defeat the FM? Perhaps some Greenseer caught a glimpse of a future where humans had destroyed the natural world anyway, leading the COTF to try and "get them before they get us". Then again, if the White Walkers were created by the Children to be a weapon against the FM, I wonder how much the idea of revenge might have came into play. The First Men are said to have nearly wiped out their plant loving rivals - might it then be possible that the Children wanted to take a kind of Aerys II like "to hell with the city/forest - burn/freeze them all!" approach to dealing with the enemies who had them on the brink of defeat? How many murdered loved ones might it take for a Child Of The Forest to finally snap? If we are talking society or creation, I've often wondered how these "ice demons" might link to, or interact with, the multiple "higher power" figures seen in human society, specifically a theorised "water deity" like the Drowned God. If the Others are aware of humanities various belief systems - which they could be, assuming the "wighting" of a corpse allows the Walkers access to the memories of the deceased - would they have an opinion on the humans worshipping a water god? How might they view the overall connection between water and ice? Hell, if there really is a Drowned God, what might he think of the Others? Might it even be possible that the Ironborn deity somehow created White Shadows, with the intention of conquering the land as he had the deep? Freeze the earth, melt the ice, and flood the world, giving us one great ocean? A bit of a tinfoil laden proposal, and while I don't prescribe to this idea myself, I do believe the Others' connection to certain gods and concepts are worth looking at. Think of a god like He of Many Faces, aka the God of Death. This goes back to the "water or ice coming first " line of thinking, but how might the cold and darkness associated with The Others link to a proposed deity who is said to represent death itself? I'm not sure, but I can't really see the Faceless Men, or their God, being responsible for the creation of the Others. That said, the connection between ice and death is certainly interesting - corpses go cold, after all. While corpses do go cold, the cold itself can also preserve, both the living and the dead. The potential then arrises for the Others themselves being - depending on how you look at it - a more "positive" force. Perhaps they are an example of some mad-scientist-type perverting the course of nature, or perhaps they are an example someone or something g producing a way to "keep death at bay" through the preservative qualities of ice, as well as the Cold Shadows' ability to reanimate corpses. So far we have seen the Others being able to "make the dead walk", so I must ask, how far do we think these abilities go? Can they merely telepathically control "zombies"? Or might the Others also be able to truley breath life into the dead? Where does the reanimation stop and the resurrection begin?
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    Endgame for the Kettleblacks?

    Yeah, I guess these two points would reduce the chances of Littlefinger trying to organise some kind of jailbreak, as it might be a bit too much legwork to arrange the Kettleblacks escape from separate prisons held by competing factions. If Osmund is already considered dead weight then he's almost certainly screwed.
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    New POVS?

    I don't doubt it, but Bran seems primed to develop such immense abilities that there is something to be said for having Meera as a POV so as to help give a more relatable perspective to the supernatural events unfolding in the far North. If Bran does indeed "Jack into the matrix" and gain access to all the knowledge held within the Weirwood net, there's a high probability it will change his personality to the point that his actions and motivations become something totally beyond human. In this event, I'd like to read Meera's thoughts and fears on about what's happening. I also really enjoyed the atmosphere which was built from seeing Meera and Jojens reactions to Bran and his plight. We would still get all that from Bran's POVs, but I think eventualy adding a few Reed chapters (not too many) would help enhance the tension and horror aspects of things. I wonder if we will actually get a few weirwood based Bran flashbacks where Howland is prominently featured? The Neck could be great for the swamp itself, as well as the natural predators such as lizard lions, crocodiles and other large carnivores, all of which could perhaps act as a form of defense against any wights that the Others might send into the area. As you said, the heat and water found in the Neck could also be a great natural detergent to the White Walkers. I've wondered about the whole Hodor/Bran-Meera thing. Such behaviour would surely be frowned upon by many skinchangers, so I wonder how Bloodraven would react. Also, do you think Osha would work as a POV? Even if just as a prologue/epilogue? It could be good to get a solid account of Shaggydog and Rickon's behaviour and growth since they last appeared.
  5. Leo of House Cartel

    Endgame for the Kettleblacks?

    Why do you think Littlefinger will order Brune to kill Oswell? I'd imagine old Kettleblack wouldn't bee too happy if Littlefinger refused to try help the man's sons be released, but would his rage really result in a situation where LF felt the need to have him killed? There is a great chance Oswell might be just as cruel as his boys, leaving them to rot while he continues to reap whatever rewards his association with Petyr brings. Then again, if the three young, able bodied, tough guy sons are no longer able to serve a purpose in the Red Keep, perhaps there is no need for Lord Baelish to keep the dodgy old father around. I'd be interested to see if LF actually could get them out of the Red Keep dungeons. Perhaps he has a few jailers in his pocket who could help. The question is, why would he want to? The Kettleblacks seem to have served their immediate purpose in that they gave Baelish access to Cersei, while also helping add to the Queen Regent's downfall. With them now being imprisoned, LF might begin to consider the possibility that the brothers will rat him out to Cersei.
  6. Leo of House Cartel

    New POVS?

    Mance would be a very entertaining choice. It would be great to hear his memories of things like his uniting of the various Wilding clans, as well as learning Moore about his situation with Mel. The battle of Winterfell from the perspective of the former Wilding boss could be very tasty indeed. I think Meera could be pretty useful as a POV, as she would give us a second opinion on the whole Last Greenseer situation. Meera would be able to give us her perspective on the general importance placed upon Bran, as well as allowing us another pair of eyes with which to explore the cave and bare witness to whatever transformation Bran goes through. In terms of the big Howland Reed reveal, I can't ever see George making him a POV, so his daughter having a few chapters of her own could be very helpful in terms of allowing the reader get to know the Lord of Greywater better, as well as expanding our knowledge of Crannogi culture in general. While Meera having her own chapters might work better after Howland debuts, so as not to potentially give away anything to o juicy, it would be insightful to hear what it was like growing up in the Swamp. What kind of parents were Howland and the oddly named Jyana? How did Lord Reed first explain to his kids about their mission with Bran? I feel Meera could be a great window through which we could take a look at the Reed family and the people of The Neck, and help paint a clearer picture of their ways and wants.
  7. Leo of House Cartel

    New POVS?

    While any POV based around the Leech Lord would be fun, a Roose Bolton POV covering the Battle of Winterfell could be absolutely outrageous. Replace Meera with whichever POV dies in the battles of Winterfell or Mereen. While it'd probably work better if she didn't reveal/know too much about Howland and his grand plans, I think a few Meera chapters could be a lot of fun, and a great way to flesh out a cool character who is both highly significant to the plot and popular with the fan base.
  8. Leo of House Cartel

    Endgame for the Kettleblacks?

    @Lollygag Interesting analysis as always. The connections between LF/Harrenhal/Kettleblacks and Bravos you listed are all cool and I wonder where this all leads. In terms of the name "Kettleblack" if viewed through a Harrenhal inspired lense, it works nicely as a hint towards Black Harrens Hubris - considering how Balerion's fires famously turned the castle into a giant black furnace during the Conquest. I wonder how Jon Snow's election victory at Castle Black - featuring a black bird flying out of a Kettle - might also have some parallels to Harenhal, Oswell and Co. Mormont's raven emerging from the dark cook pot brings to mind the sigil ravens of the former Harenhal ruling houses, Lothston and Whent. As you mentioned earlier, Oswell Whent has certain Kettleblack qualities to him and vice versa, so there could be something there. I have to wonder how the Harenhal, Baratheon and LF connections with the Kettleblacks you mentioned might also relate to the awesome recent post by @three-eyed monkey regarding Robert Strong possibly being an actual shadow of the Mountain (check it out if you guys haven't already, a genuinely thought provoking, entertaining read) Could the name "Kettleblack" perhaps be looked at as a metaphor for "shadow womb"? Kettles and wombs are each a form of gestation zone, where the respective contents (foetuses or food/drink) go through a development process. When thinking of the black blood and shadow oozing from Lady Mel, I can't help but think of the words "Kettleblack". Consider the subtle parallels between Qyburn, Lady Mel and the Kettleblack brothers.We have the above "shadow womb" angle which fits with both Mel and the potential shadow binding being done by Qyburn. Another point is that the Red Queen, Qyburn and the KB bros are all alike in the nature of their rapid rises to prominence. Each came out of seemingly nowhere and find themselves in the inner circles of various "royal" figures - Qyburn and the KBs with Cersei/Mel with Stannis. There is also the fact that all three parties first appear in the three locations associated with Aegon the Conquerer - Harenhal, Dragonstone and King's Landing. Let's also consider the draining, negative affect which a night of sex with Lady Mel or the Kettleblack brothers has been shown to cause. Mel needed Stannis' seed for her shadow baby, the aftermath of which caused the King to begin to look like a haggard, gaunt "shadow" of himself. Meanwhile, Osmund and his siblings have been sleeping with Queen, and Cersei's public confession of the fact has left her public reputation in a similar state to the Mannis' appearance. We know the Kettleblacks have some other similarities to the shadow connected Baratheon boys, such as the their mutual status as trios, appearance, Stormlander status, questionable personalities and bedding of the Cersei. Two of Oswells's sons are also currently awaiting death by Robert Strong, he who is named for Robert Baratheon as well a potentially being a similar product of shadow binding to Stannis and Melisande's baby/Renly's murderer. Ser Robert has also pretty much taken the Kettleblack trio's role as Cersei's main protector. A sworn sword can also be looked at as "shadowing" whoever they are sworn to protect. The dark haired KBs could also visually be compared to shadows. Robert's handler Qyburn seems to be in charge of the Red Keep dungeons in which the hooked nosed Stormlanders are being held, which is interesting in itself, and makes one wonder just how the mad scientist could use the KBs to his advantage, be it through cutting a deal or cutting open a body. @Lollygag I'm not sure where this Kettleblack/shadow womb idea could lead, but another way to take it could be "hidden/shaded child", which fits with your remarks about Old Kettleblack's employer, LF, collecting various bastards. Also, if Cersei has indeed fallen pregnant by one of the Kettleblacks, as many have postulated, one could also refer to the contents of her womb being "black", considering the KB name and social status, as well as the potential hair colour of the kid and the fact she would probably try and keep it a secret. Perhaps her heavy drinking and gigantic stress could even cause her to miscarry (a situation several others have also pondered), which would no doubt draw some kind of "black womb" based, whispered insults if any of her enemies found out.
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    Endgame for the Kettleblacks?

    Hey everyone. I'd like to know what you think the future has in store for the ever charming Kettleblacks lads, Osmund, Osfryd and Osney, as well as their dodgy old dad, Oswell. Currently languishing in the dungeons of the Red Keep, having been revealed to have all had sexual relations with the Queen regent. as well as one of them being declared guilty of killing the high septon, the three brothers await some form of death by either Robert Strong or Illyn Payne. With their father seemingly safe and sound serving Littlefinger in the Vale, one wonders what the old man's opinion on his son's imprisonment might be?
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    Prediction: Jon will become a direwolf

    While I do expect around two TWOW chapters with Jon trapped in the mind of Ghost, each perhaps lasting a week or two timeline wise, I don't think it will be a permanent situation. I am open to the idea of Jon getting his regular body back and eventually second lifing Ghost after possibly dying in the War for the Dawn, but as of yet I still think there are too many avenues to explore with human Jon. Perhaps Jon's dead body will be stored down in the cold cellars beneath Castle Black while Mel/whatever healer attends to his remains. The temperature down there might be good for stopping any potential decomposition. We got a glimpse of the cold storage systems and the "wormways" in ADWD; foreshadowing, perhaps?
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    Which minor houses do you want to see more of?

    Man, I would also like to see more of the houses you listed. What's the deal with that purple Dondarrion lightning fable? Need to know more. Lightning is a badass sigil in general, and the house's main representative, the zombie rebel Beric, has so many questions surrounding him that I don't know where to start. It would be cool to meet a new Dondarrion in TWOW, and find out more on the family opinions on the "Lightning Lord". I feel we will get a good amount of Blackwood coverage in TWOW. With several interesting new historical figures established in F&B, as well as the ever lingering "Bloodraven's relatives/weird weirwood tree in the yard" dynamic, I feel like George is priming us for something exciting involving the denizens of Raventree Hall. Of course, the main question I have about this exiled Northern family is whether or not they have the ability to skinchange or experience green dreams. The enigmatic Daynes are such genuine crowd pleasers - most readers are fascinated by their lore, myself included. The mystique surrounding their meteor sword, pale stone island castle, purple eyes and silver hair is so tantalising. Most mentioned family members also seem to have their own interesting traits; was Vorian Dayne's "Sword of The Evening" title simply related to Nymeria's victory/Vorian's future in the Night's Watch, or was it like a inverse version of the SOTM station, reserved for darker, less noble Daynes? What did Davos Dayne do to earn the hand of Nymeria? How about Samwell Dayne? Was he called Starfire simply because he tried to burn the Starry Sept during his sack of Oldtown? Or was the handle somehow more related to the Daynes' sword? What was the reason for said invasion and might Oldtown hold any lasting grudges? It's these kind of questions, as well as all the Arthur/Ashara stuff, that makes the Daynes one of my favourites. I fully expect a visit to one of the Dayne keeps in the future books, as well as some cool stuff involving Darkstar and Edric in TWOW. As far as the Whents (and Lothstons too) are concerned I've always been interested in all the bat related stuff. Really hope that tale about Mad Danelle controlling giant bats was true, and that the ability was passed on to the Whents. The big Howland reveal will surely give us more info on the Reeds, the question is whether or not GRRM will make us wait till ADOS. I'd like to see a few other minor houses get more coverage, like the Farwynds, Marbrands, Celtigars, Saans and Royces.
  12. I'm currently of the toying with the idea that Howland Reed, under the guise of TKOTLT, might have went to Harrenhal and made Lyanna aware of certain prophetic information regarding the Others/COTF/PTWP, info which might have further backed up any such future talk from Rhaegar. Whatever the Crannogman learned at the Isle of Faces obviously left a lasting impression on the man, to the point he would turn the events into a tale for his children. Reed's decision - apparently motivated by the "magical" Green Men" - to head to the tourney that Rhaegar would publicly disrespect his wife by crowning Lyanna as QOL&B, seems awfully convenient. I'm not sure what Howland would have to say to make Lyanna believe him, but we have to remember the power of the weirwood net, and how Greenseers like BR or Bran have been shown to project images into other peoples minds. In the roughly year long period that followed the Harrenhal tourney, I assume the Prince of Dragonstone would have spent a long time preaching to Lyanna about the nature of the Prince That Was Promised. Said prophecy seems to be a Targaryen story, but one could imagine the Northern girl perhaps connecting such events with her own family's tales of the Long Night. Should Lyanna has drawn such a comparison, I think there's a solid chance she would have grown invested in Rhaegar's ambitions, maybe even to the point of falling for him. The inhumanly beautiful Dragon Prince, a skilled warrior, mind and musician who wants to save the world from the evil ice monsters - sounds like he could be quite the catch to a 14 year old, doesn't he? Having grown up around family members who were constantly warning her about the dangers of an impending winter, there's a possibility that Stark would be more likely to believe such tales of prophecy and magic. In regards to the OP. If Lyanna did indeed become a PTWP die hard, I could imagine her maybe feeling a sense of pride/duty regarding the Rhaegar situation. This is all speculation, to be fair, but I reckon on her deathbed she might have regretted all the bloodshed and misery caused by RR, but could also have been comforted by the knowledge that she had just birthed the child who would surely grow to defend humanity from the forces of the cold.
  13. I guess one could also ask the question of how Robert's weight gain, self respect and general inability to rule himself was affected by the death of Lyanna and marriage to Cersei, as well as how his choices regarding his physical health might have played into his mental well being. Before claiming the IT, Robert was a thickly muscled warrior who was known for both his skill at arms and the love he had for combat. Standing about 6'4, the future King seemed to have a herculean physique, and knew how to use it, both on the battlefield and in the bed chamber. He also shared his brother Renly's handsome facial features, with Robert's famously deep blue eyes engulfing those who looked upon them. A vibrant personality, who loved to party as much as he loved to fight, one can imagine many soldiers, nobles and small folk alike would consider Lord of Storm's End a lot of fun to be around. With his outgoing nature, wealth, lordship, looks and fighting prowess, he had a the type of gifts that drew people to his company. All of these traits are the things Westerosi people take great pride in, therefore, with so many others being impressed by him, Robert must have been pretty proud of himself. The famously honourable Eddard Stark seems like the very opposite type of personality who would be best friends with someone like Robert, yet evidently the Quiet Wolf saw something good in the young Baratheon, as both men grew closer to each other than they ever were to their biological brothers. Ned and Bob seemed to love their time as wards in the Vale, and both saw Jon Arryn as a father figure. Eventually becoming Lord of Storm's End, while also being betrothed to someone he apparently had genuine feelings for, Robert's marriage to Lyanna would have brought Houses Stark and Baratheon closer, furthering his bond with Ned's kin. The future certainly would have looked bright for this young Lord, he was happy. Of course, all was not meant to be. Flash forward to 298AC and Lyanna was dead, while Robert was drinking and eating his sorrow away, hadn't seen his best friend for years, was stuck in a loveless marriage, surrounded by schemers and looking nothing like the Knight who slew Rhaegar at the Trident. These are some pretty big changes for anyone to go through, and while we don't know how much Baratheon ever discussed his problems with Jon Arryn, it's safe to say he wouldn't have had many people he could actually have an real heart to heart conversation with. When your physical and mental health are at a place you don't want them to be, it's very unhealthy to deal with such problems alone. We know Robert still took a lot of pride in his old abilities in later life, judging by his shenanigans regarding entering the melee. Slow, drunk, out of practice and too heavy to fit into his armour, the King was still adamant on entering the battle royal; a multi entrant, last man standing contest that would have been waged in front of half the court. Even though most other competitors in the melee might have "gone easy" on him, on account of his Kingship, Baratheon's willingness to put himself at such potential risk of harm/embarrassment, clearly shows his desire for a return to times gone by, to a time when he would have entered that melee and likely destroyed the competition, whereas now he wouldn't stand a chance against most skilled opponents. That Robert (only half jokingly) also tells Ned his idea of abdicating the Throne and travelling to Essos to become a sellsword shows more of his preference for his old ways. While medieval combat like that of Westeros is clearly barbaric, there as certainly something spiritual about the martial arts. Robert clearly loved the thrill of battle, and was damn good at it. Over the years his weight gain and addiction to the booze would have stripped him of much of what made him a talented warrior, his speed, reflexes, will and even some of his strength. His position as King and mostly peaceful reign also meant he had no battles to take part in, with his last proper campaign being his attack on Pyke during the Greyjoy rebellion. With no wars to wage and a growing list of unhealthy traits, it's not likely that the morbidly obese Baratheon spent much time in the practise yard either; repetition and muscle memory being two other key factors in any fighter's ability. Think how depressed this would have made him. Imagine being a lifelong, world class pianist, who, through some poor choice of their own, damaged their hands to the point of not being able to play any more. Now, imagine having to go through this while being stuck in a toxic marriage, one you can't really end because of the power your wife's family holds. Robert was clearly depressed, and his own sense of self respect must have played a part. We don't know exactly when Robert's weight gain/descent into full on alcoholism started, but it was certainly during his marriage to Cersei, at some point after the Greyjoy rebellion. Whispering the name of Lyanna during the bedding ceremony showed he had more feelings for his deceased former fiance than he did for his new wife, something that would cause great resentment in Cersei, and helped add bricks to the wall that would grow between them. The Queen herself cared more about Jaime/the memory of Rhaegar than she did the King, and is just a cruel person in general. While we don't know if Robert had an inkling about either, this dynamic clearly added to all around miserable marriage, and helped further the King's descent. Would things be different if Robert had married someone else? I think so. While we can't entirely blame Cersei for all of of Bob's prickish tendencies, as evidenced by his whoring during RR, had he married someone who actually wanted to make a go of things, the King may have eventually found happiness. Perhaps he would grow to love them, even have had kids who he showed real affection for, properly raising them to be worthy heirs and honourable individuals, the kind who would make Jon Arryn proud. This new betrothed would obviously have to be cool with Robert's whoring, drinking and lust for battle and love of Lyanna's memory, as well as actually liking Robert's personality and being someone he could grow fond of. Take someone like Asha Greyjoy, for example. While the aspiring Queen of the Iron Islands probably wouldn't appreciate the man who Robert became towards his death, if her opinions on Erik Ironmaker are anything to go by, a warrior like herself might have been pretty into 20 year old Robert's"true form" - the muscular, handsome hardman who could back up his big mouth and drink with the best of them. A relationship with a bride of similar traits could have been good for Robert, perhaps in time he would even grow to fall for them, and finally put his depression over Lyanna to rest. If the power of love was strong enough to help Robert to ruin himself over his memory of Lyanna, who's to say the love he might feel for someone well suited to him wouldn't be strong enough to make him into the best version of himself. Had such events occurred, it's possible the big man wouldn't have had that gap in his heart that he felt he had to fill with whores, hams and hooch.
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    A middle lane view of Rhaegar and Elia

    Yeah dude, these are such intriguing points. The nature of paramours in Dorne really does make me wonder if Elia might have been quite relaxed regarding the Lyanna situation. Lewyn Martell was said to have a secret lover, while the Red Viper certainly had many public paramours. Might be that Elia evn had one of her own. While Elia has been somewhat painted as a willowy, fragile person steeped in tragedy, there's certainly a high chance she shares a drop of that "Dornish Spice" seen by pretty much every one of her relatives (perhaps with the exception of Quentyn). Elia would have grown up reading stories of Nymeria, perhaps meaning she would indeed have gained some respect for the wolf girl's will. One should also consider how Elia's own opinion of her "Dragon Blood" might influence her outlook towards Lyanna. Doran and Quentyn both seem to be well read on the tales of the first Danaerys' wedding to Maron Martell. Both Prince's repeatedly bring up their own Targaryen DNA, and seem to be extremely proud of it. I do wonder if this pride extended to Elia. Perhaps she would have considered the Lyanna situation to be merely a modern version of Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya. Elia's Targaryen heritage could also mean she was just as into fulfilling the PTWP prophecy as her husband seemed to be.
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    Does Asoiaf Have a True Protagonist? *SPOILERS*

    Dany, Tyrion and Jon. While one/all three could eventually become villains/antagonists, as it stands I feel GRRM has clearly written these three to be the main heroes/protagonists of the tale.
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