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  1. KarlDanski

    Jon was born a bastard and remains a bastard.

    You're a funny guy, Purple. I like you. That's why I'm going to kill you last.
  2. KarlDanski

    Which is your favourite Westerosi House and why?

    First Men houses. If by region, I would choose Stark, Blackwood, Royce, Westerling, Tarly, Goodbrother, Dayne, and Caron. Out of all, I'm a Stark.
  3. KarlDanski

    Do Unsullied always train ?

    Some go to brothels
  4. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    50 Shades of Rhaegar: Tower of Joy Edition
  5. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Yes. What we've been "told". There are two sides of a coin. Some like Robert view Rhaegar as evil while others like Jon Connington worship him. We saw the goods, and bads of Robert in the books/show, but we've only had quotes to describe Rhaegar. He could of become a tyrannical leader like his father, could of become Jahaerys reborn, or could become a mix. Rhaegar could of raped Lyanna but also equally of tricked her or love her. We do know he believed in a need for 3 heads of a dragon, and went to Dorne with her. Despite it not being with malice intent (or was it?), taking Lyanna led to a war that killed thousands, killed his wife, and children, but also himself, and Lyanna. Roberts only evil doings were not punishing Gregor/Amory for killing Aegon/Rhaenys, and slapping Cersei. Cersei wasnt a saint either, but shouldnt of been slapped. The whole thing to start this whole bad marriage? Accidentally calling Cersei "Lyanna". Her response to that accident? Refusing to birth a Baratheon heir, cuckolding him, givibg birth to her brothers children, and placing them on the throne. Abuse victim or not, we have only one case of Robert hitting her.
  6. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    How old was Robert around the rebellion? 15? 16? I bet 75% of the male population in the world would drink and have sex if given the opportunity. We as human beings are dynamic and can change, even moreso in our teens. Would Robert hit Lyanna? Maybe, maybe not. Would he of stopped drinking and whoring if Lyanna asked? Maybe, maybe not. We dont know any more about Roberts possible changes as Rhaegars beliefs and treatment of Lyanna. We do know that Robert and Cerseis marriage was an unhappy one, and both did wrong, Robert hit Cersei, Cersei fucked her brother, Robert whored, Cersei whored, Robert hit her more, Cersei killed him. Neither are innocent, and both have faults.
  7. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    This is a "medieval" world, by what she is doing, she is embarrassing the King infront of his hand, and going against his orders. In the modern world, its unacceptable, and she didnt deserve it for the comment, but back then, that was questioning a kings authority. In hindsight, some people support Robert hitting her as she did far worse crimes against him, but the book text also says that Robert rarely hit her. Also, considering Robert worshipped the very ground Lyanna stood on unlike Cersei which was a loveless political marriage, I doubt he would hit her, because it would make Ned hate him. BTW, killing the husband is probably worse than a few slaps for a character most agree is bad or evil.
  8. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Could you find me the conversation of when he slapped her? If it's the same as the TV show, then I know what you talking about. I'm not saying that she deserved it, but I'm not saying she is the innocent one. The previous events before the slap were she made Robert order Lady's death, and lied about the circumstances of Ned Starks men being killed by Jaime. She doesn't care for Tyrion, but still. Like I said before, didn't deserve it, but wasn't innocent. I doubt he would of slapped Lyanna, even if she did voice her opinion, the lack of evidence to support him hitting Lyanna is nothing, and the marriage between Cersei and Robert started off bad, they were both unhappy while Robert would be happy with Lyanna, while Lyanna being happy has is difficult to predict.
  9. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Violence may not have place in a "relationship" if you can call Robert and Cersei's marriage, but neither does incest, cuckolding, killing your husband, not stopping your husbands best friend from being killed etc. And for what started this bad marriage? Robert drunkenly calling Cersei "Lyanna". We also have no evidence to support if Robert would of hit Lyanna had they be married. Sure he had a bastard previously, and probably many more before the end of the war, but we don't know if he would of become true to Lyanna as he imagines himself. Hell, had they been married, they might of hit off great as you can imagine they would like the same things like horses, hunting etc, but this is all speculation. BTW, I'm not saying that Robert was a good king, or a moral person, he was completely devoid of sympathy to the deaths of "Aegon", Rhaenys, and Elia, calling them dragonspawn. He was a drunk, whore, and led his kingdom into debt, but he's still not as bad as some Targaryen kings, but he wasn't as good as some either.
  10. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Rhaegar: Aegon. What better name for a king? Elia: Will you make a song for him? Rhaegar: He has a song. He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire. There must be one more. The dragon has three heads. Rhaegar was obsessed at least somewhat about the Azor Ahai prophecy. His asphyxiation on 3 heads of a dragon proves so, if we're to understand that Lyanna was suppose to birth a third dragon, then that means that he was willing to take anothers wife, impregnate her, and lead to a war. You can't say Rhaegar was a all-around cool guy, but say Robert wasn't, they were both good guys to their friends. Ned Stark, and Jon Connington are too examples of life long friends the two were able to have. You don't gain the loyalty of others like Robert did by being what you think he is. By saying Robert doesn't get things done, you forget to mention getting the rebellion done, the Ironborn rebellion done, and killing Rhaegar. Rhaegar should of did his duty to his house, and not have taken Lyanna Stark, and started a war. He should of did his duty by staying with Elia Martell, but he didn't, because he was obsessed with a prophecy of him needing 3 heads of a dragon.
  11. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    They both have their faults. Robert was a drunk man-whore who put his realm in debt, and Rhaegar kidnapped/took a bethrothed woman, and led to a war.
  12. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    As Barristan Selmy said in the show, "Robert was a good man and a good warrior, but a terrible king." Robert was a forgiving man (too forgiving sometimes) who was good to his friends, and accepted surrender like he did with Barristan Selmy. He fought at the head of most battles like a "good" king should unlike Rhaegar who hid for most of the war, and came back to fight Robert in the last battle. However, he was a terrible king, he was a drunkard who was too loose with whores, and he helped the throne get into debt, he would of a been a better Lord or Master of War on a Small Council or such. You could use the same format for Rhaegar that Barristan used for Robert, "Rhaegar was a good man, a decent warrior, but a terrible idealist." I didn't know a word to use for idealist, but Rhaegar assumed he would be able to get away with stealing/taking/seducing/running away with another mans bethrothed, hide away for most of the war without even giving a hint of Lyanna's condition or such, come back during the final war when his side's been losing battle after battle, and try to turn the war. He may of been a good man to his friends like Robert, and a decent warrior (comparable to people like Ned, Stannis, Sandor etc, not great, but decent), but his actions were terrible, and cost thousands of lives.
  13. KarlDanski

    Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert

    Being King did not suit Robert, he would be a fantastic warrior, and decent commander, but he was not meant to sit a throne, and command a kingdom. True, he's a drunk, and womanizer, but this is the medieval era type thinking which was the norm. I'd prefer a womanizer, and drunk than a person who led to thousands of people dying. Robert BTW did love Lyanna, she just didn't love him, and he saw the outside, not the inside. We don't know if Rhaegar was truly in love with Lyanna, he very well could be a crazy prince obsessed with a prophecy, until we get to that point in the books, we don't know. BTW, a very competent, and intelligent ruler wouldn't become a adulterer, and plunge his soon to be kingdom in a war that left him, his wife, his children, his "love", his father, his mother dead, his best friend banished, his other best friend dead, and the Targaryen control of the 7 kingdoms vanishing. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes of complete love and infallancy that Jon Connington views Rhaegar, and the complete loathe, and hatred that Robert Baratheon views Rhaegar. Also, calling Robert a, "drunken womanizing moron", is true, but you can also call Rhaegar a, "prophesy obsessed adulterering moron". It works both ways, both Rhaegar, and Robert have flaws, but positives too.
  14. KarlDanski

    Jon was born a bastard and remains a bastard.

    Oh, don't take my mathematical approach as fact, I was just using the same format the topic maker was using. He very well could be Dayne/Stark, Stark/Targaryen, Stark/Whatever, no matter what his other family is, he's first and foremost a Stark, and I doubt he would take the IT if offered, he barely accepted the mantle of Lord Commander. Royal or not, all it takes is a legitimization, and he's golden, and legitimization can either be done through favor of a monarch or by force which is what Robert did and what Renly attempted.
  15. KarlDanski

    Jon was born a bastard and remains a bastard.

    Rhaegar Targaryen + Lyanna Stark + Wedding on the Isles of Faces which is near Harrenhal, and the Targaryens have a history of polygamy = Royal Heir to the Iron Throne who is assumed to be a bastard son of Ned Stark
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