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    ASOIAF becoming a GOOD VS BAD story

    Thank you Kyll. Ing., the post is about ASOIAF, not LOTR...we can allow ourselves to be superficial when talking about LOTR if it helps making a point about ASOIAF.
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    ASOIAF becoming a GOOD VS BAD story

    Thank you very much forr al the replies! there are some interesting considerations for sure...but let me clarify a few things. When I say that LOTR charachters are black/white i do not mean that they are FLAT (they are not, and I loved the book by the way), but that ultimately you have Elfs (super cool, super smart and attractive, besides), Men (like us), Dwarfs (a little like your grumpy, hairy great-aunt) who are threatened by Orcs (ugly, smelly, stupid, cruel) led by an EVIL/Satanic lord. The whole book builds up to the final showdown, to the GOOD vs EVIL BATTLE that settles everything, and I would like to know how many of you were actually rooting for Sauron, in the end. ASOIAF has been - so far - a story of conflicts for power in which you had good reasons to support more than one party involved, if you wanted to. And then you have the Others. As of now, the only concrete consequences of their presence is to force the wildlings to find a way to cross the wall; the rest of the world seems rather unaffected by their existence. However, the clues we have from the books suggest that their role will become greater and greater. If not, this would be quite anti-climatic. If they do have a huge role in the next books, the risk is IMO that their arrival will pretty much reset the current equilibrium and alliances and change the book into: ok, let's put our armies together and fight the battle of Men VS Others. Ok, not everyone will join in (as Dwarfes and Elves in LOTR), but in the end that conflict will be the ultimate cause of the new equilibrium in Westeroes/Essos. IF this happens: - most of what happened so far is relevant only to decide who is going to fight the Others and his strenght at that time - most of what happens after the battle will be decided within the arc the battle itself - it will be really hard to root for the Others, even though Men aere selfish and greedy, and do not respect trees and animals enough -- OK but do we deserve to be exterminated for that? See Great Flood So all that was build until now will have a moderate relevance in the end, and we will be reading about a great battle where we all (almost all) agree who should win, that will be the ultimate cause of the story ending. That said, I TRUST Mr. GRRM will do a great job and I look forward to read it. Kyll.Ing. your prediction of not homogeneous Others could be indeed an interesting path!
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    ASOIAF becoming a GOOD VS BAD story

    So you are expecting an invasion and resolution in the very last chapters? It could be...sometimes I have the impression that the announced invasion is kept on hold by GM because he has still to make up his mind clearly on what to do with them...just my impression, however...
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    ASOIAF becoming a GOOD VS BAD story

    This is true, to some extent, but still we would see everybody teaming-up to fight the super-enemy...and then, supposing they win, going back to same old conflicts? It seems to be that the optimum would be to have the incumbernt Others having a bigger and bigger impact on characters' choices...but never quite invading Westeros!
  5. The success of ASOIAF novels has been IMO greatly due to the "grayness" of their charatcters. As GM said himself: It is certainly a genuine, legitimate topic as the core of fantasy, but I think the battle between Good and Evil is waged within the individual human hearts. We all have good in us and we all have evil in us, and we may do a wonderful good act on Tuesday and a horrible, selfish, bad act on Wednesday, and to me, that’s the great human drama of fiction. I believe in gray characters, as I’ve said before. We all have good and evil in us and there are very few pure paragons and there are very few orcs. A villain is a hero of the other side, as someone said once, and I think there’s a great deal of truth to that, and that’s the interesting thing. In the case of war, that kind of situation, so I think some of that is definitely what I’m aiming at. However, all the novels are building up to a finale where there are some obviously BAD/BLACK agents - i.e. the Others - who are PURE EVIL coming down to destroy the world of men, who may be better or worse but once assessed against the Others, are clearly the GOOD guys most of us is going to root for. Aren't you afraid that ultimately the last novels will lose all of their nuances and cleverly described inner morality concerns, only to become just a great battle of BAD GUYS vs HUMANITY? How is GM going to manage the situation the books have been building up to in a way that's not obvious and caricatural? Don't you think this will be the greatest challenge while writing the next books?