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    Capable Northern Commanders.

    Hello all, first time poster here, but by all means don't be gentle. Papa likes to play rough I've been lurking on these forums for quite a while now, but I've yet to come across a topic highlighting my query below (if there has been a topic like this then I sincerely apologize). Who else could've commanded Robb's levies at the Green Fork, aside from Roose Bolton? AFAIK, Bolton was the best suited for such a task, due to his cautiousness and calculating behavior. Even so, I think it might've have been more prudent for Robb to keep Roose close to his side, especially during Robb's campaigns in the Riverlands and the Westerlands. I'm not saying that Robb should not have trusted Roose with his armies, but wouldn't it have been better if the kid had had ol' Roose by his side to lend him some invaluable advice on warfare? He fought in Robert's Rebellion alongside Ned, and I'm sure that he has military experience in spades. In addition to this, wasn't it Ned himself who once told Robb that he did not trust Roose all that much? Seems to me here that the Young Wolf should've kept his friends close, but his enemies closer. Now, when I voiced out my opinion to my friends, avid readers of the ASOIAF saga as well, they told me that Robb was pretty much left with no other choice. In short, he was fucked. Pardon my French. When you come to think of it, leaving Roose at the Green Fork was one of Robb's soundest decisions. Heck, how was the kid gonna know that Roose would betray him somewhere down the road? We believed Bolton to be true until the Red Wedding, and we had access to all the POVs. I mean, who else could've filled in The Roose's shoes? It would have to be someone responsible and sensible, someone who was not too eager to shower himself in glory, at the risk of losing all of Robb's men at the Green Fork in some stupid assault against the Lannisters or whatever. If you don't believe that Roose was the best suited for the job, then let's go over the list of candidates together:- 1) Greatjon Umber Arguably Robb Stark's biggest dick rider and fanboy, and one of his most fearsome warriors too. I don't doubt his abilities in inspiring his men to fight, but he's a goddamn oaf when it comes to military strategy, placing him against Tywin Lannister of all people would have been nothing short of suicide for Robb's levies. In terms of brightness, Catelyn Stark might've been a 3 watt, but this big fucker here is a wet match in a dark cave. 2) Wyman Manderly The richest Stark bannerman, and probably the one with the best toys, but something tells me that the Northern soldiers at the Green Fork would have preferred to shove their own swords up their bungholes that listen to a man who only slightly outweighs an entire African village. Wyman Manderly can barely ride a horse, and I doubt if either one of his equally corpulent sons could make a difference. 3) Rickard Karstark The one closest in terms of blood to the Young Wolf, but you wouldn't know it by the way he insisted on bending over Robb Stark's plans and fucking them in the arsehole. This dickhead is so stupid, he makes phone operators seem smart by comparison. No, fuck that, he makes GREATJON UMBER look like Hannibal of freakin' Carthage. Yes, we get it, he lost his two sons, but tons of other people have lost their children to wars. This fuckface should've been grateful to the gods for sparing him Harrion Karstark and his daughter Alys at home, and if he had half the wits Hodor had, he would've have been more focused on rescuing his heir and getting back home to save his daughter from the clutches of his sleazy, dirtbag Uncle Arnold. Sure, beheading him was a stupid decision on Robb's part, but this dickhead more than deserved it for what he did to those two kids. 4) The Glover Brothers Catelyn suggested to Robb to let Robett Glover, or either one of his other bannermen to command Robb's armies as they marched south. Thank God he did not. So far throughout the Wot5K, all Robett had ever accomplished for the Starks was getting duped by Roose Bolton in a foolhardy attempt to ravage Duskendale with the help of Benfred Tallhart, and lose his brother's stronghold in the North to a bunch of ironmen. He even had to rely on Arya, in the guise of a dirty peasant, to free him from the cells of Harrenhal. And he barely even thanked her for doing so. Galbart Glover on the other hand, must be a really heartless motherfucker of something like that. I mean, to just leave your holdings to be defiled by the ironmen, and then not even bothering to return north to try and help your sister-in-law and her kids? Sure, Robb gave him some ultra-secret mission to accomplish with Howland Reed or whatever, but that was before he died, and before the Lannisters effectively won the goddamned war. Some 'Master of Deepwood Motte' you turned out to be, Galbart. I doubt if he could even raid a squirrel nest, let alone the entire south. 5) Lord Dustin Deceased. Widow hates Ned Stark . 6) Lord Hornwood Daryn Hornwood was but a boy before the Kingslayer killed him at the Battle of the Whispering Wood. 7) Howland Reed This mofo's so mysterious, he might not even be alive. 8) Mormont Women Don't mean to be a sexist here, but they're women, and as much as we all love our Northmen, I'm pretty sure that equality was still a foreign thing for them to grasp. 9) Other Lords (Tallhart, Locke, Flint, Norrey etc.) Doubt if they were even that important, or if any of them were notable fighters and captains. Now I'm beyond positive that the Stark fanboys would all but crucify me for my bias against all the Northern Lords, but listen to this why don't you? The Lannisters had Addam Marbrand, Strongboar, Forley Prester, and even the Mountain who all made good leaders and commanders. The Tyrells had Randyll Tarly, and the Arryns had Bronze Yohn Royce. Even the damn Martells had notable bannermen like Anders Yronwood, and their overall contribution so far to GRRM'S story (aside from the Arianne POVS) has been just about as pointless as Charlie Sheen telling the guy on his dick that they're both asleep and dreaming. I could go on with the Mallisters and Blackwoods for the Tullys, but I think you get my drift. Did George intentinally make all the Northern Lords useless and overly-reliant on Roose's advice in Robb's absence? Or are they simply hiding the really astute Northerners from us in Howland Reed's asscrack? Anyway, I look forward to hearing from the rest of you guys. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English ain't my first language