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  1. TheThreeEyedCow

    Varys the Sorcerer

    I hadn't considered Varys to be a sorcerer, no. He is a type of magician. And I understand why George would use similar words when describing him to a reader. But if he had anything at all similar to what Mel has, then he would of been able to prevent LF from accelerating the Lannister downfall. And he wouldn't of needed to take Kevan down the way he did. Just IMO.
  2. TheThreeEyedCow

    Why doesn’t Dorne have a navy?

    For 300 years, Dorne has been part of one whole kingdom. It's the regions within that kingdom that were most likely going to attack them. The South already has the Redwyne fleet to the west and the Crown has it's fleets a little to the north. An attack on Dorne would be an attack on the 7K and within range of the existing navies. When we look at Dorne and the Martels, I don't see any evidence that there's an emphasis on protecting the small-folk. The Dornish, and The Martels by extension seem happy enough to allow an aggressor in. Their response is to play hide and seek and use guerrilla tactics. It sort of defines them. Those two things combined make a navy seem like an unnecessary expense. Unless you're a peasant living in Sunspear or some coastal village. And nobody really gives a shit about those people and their lives.
  3. TheThreeEyedCow

    The Red Wedding Was Justified.

    I didn't say Tywin killed anyone. In fact, I said he didn't kill a few ppl. And I would say that at a wedding, one is one too many. The soldiers were celebrating a wedding with allies. ....I'm trying to be polite and insinuate that certain individuals may condone Tywin's plan, but the mass readership has never been able to. I wouldn't want to cast aspersions. There are a few reasons why someone would admire the RW. Some people are contrarians who cannot bring themselves to agree with a majority. And as mentioned further up-stream, some people come here to post their thinly veiled hatred of the Starks. In a world of Anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers, one can never be too sure who they're talking to. I left it ambiguous. Sure. But not at any cost. Some would resort to killing children. Some wouldn't. And this is the crux of the argument. Not the what, but the how. The methods used by Walder Frey were cowardly and pathetic. Not just in the eyes of us readers, but in the eyes of in-book characters who are products of their society. If you're at war. And there is an enemy out there looking for you, and they catch you asleep. You will wake with a blade in your belly if at all. Armies are known to do this. It's not difficult to differentiate this from a wedding feast. Where men are suppose to let their guard down. They were celebrating with allies. "Victory is more important than honour"... I don't know how you can be so blind. The RW worked in the short-run. But do you truly believe that it is over? Can you truly call it a victory? It merely spun the wheel once more. Twofk rages on, Stannis still lives. The North is still in a rebellion. The Freys are losing kin left right and centre. A contingent of their army has been ordered to march out into the Wolfswood to fight an enemy hellbent on their destruction at the behest of a man who's renown for sending other peoples men to their deaths to preserve himself. Against an enemy who can walk atop the very snow that the Freys have to wade through. The Boltons will treat the Freys no better than the Starks did. If anything, Walder can expect nothing but misery from his Bolton alliance. And the Lannisters are screwed. Walder Frey's alliance is about to unravel because there is no loyalty. And that bit of bloody vengeance he took out on the kitn will haunt his family for a very long time. The Starks, and their 'honour' is made into a sort of joke. But winter will change that. Loyalty will be the difference between life and death. It wasn't clever though. It was cowardly. If we had a dispute. And I invited you to my home to discuss and make terms. And then, after offering you a sandwich, I came up behind you with a bread-knife, would you truly think I had 'outsmarted' you? Would anyone? If there was any merit to what you were saying, then why do the Frey's lie about it? In the Merman's court, the three Freys, Jared, Symond and Rhaegar attest that Rob and his men turned into wolves. That Rob and his men had the mark of the beast upon them. They also said that Rob killed Wendel Manderly.... It's not even a clever lie. The clever thing to do would of been to just shut their gates. Tell Rob that he had broken their alliance. Let the Northmen be either smashed by The Mountain or spend their days attempting to retake their home and then try to deal with winter, wildlings and eventually the others. The problem would of solved itself. Especially considering that the North will be dependent on the south for food during winter. Needless to say, the North wouldn't be getting any relief. Or simply arrest Rob the second he stepped foot into the Twins. It was for the IT to decide the fate of the rebel, not Walder nor Roose. And this is why I think Tywin is the really clever one, here. He played them all against each other knowing that Walder would be salivating at the prospect of revenge and more marriages. Tywin could shunt all of the North's anger and outrage onto the Frey's. But Walder, being the vengeful and ambitious man he is played his part. And won his family enmity. I'm willing to predict that in time, people will forget about the feud between Lannister and Stark. But the RW won't be forgotten. People will make songs of it.
  4. TheThreeEyedCow

    Pardon for Rickard Karstark

    I've already danced a dance similar to this just a few weeks ago. All I'm going to say is this, Cat had no right to abduct Tyrion and take him to the Vale. It was the second most stupid thing she did in the series. But what Karstark did was far more stupid. He gave the king no choice.
  5. TheThreeEyedCow

    The Red Wedding Was Justified.

    Tywin Lannister talks out of his ass. He didn't kill a few people over dinner. It was a massacre, at a wedding. And nobody, apart from individuals such as yourself can respect or condone this strategy. The Westerossi respect brave fighters. That's what they like to see. It's bloodshed, but there's some honour in meeting your foe with steel in hand. They also like to feel safe when visiting one another's castles and the guest right is the solitary pillar which holds this value aloft. To see both values being perverted this way is disturbing to the Westerossi. It's shameful and cowardly. The one clever bit of the RW was the way that Tywin managed to shift the entire focus of Northern hostility away from House Lannister and squarely onto The Freys.
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    Neck Will be the New Wall

    So in this vision where the Neck becomes the new Wall, has the climate changed significantly? As in, does the North now resemble the land of Always Winter? Their physiology suggests that they can only exist where it's dark and very, very cold.
  7. TheThreeEyedCow

    Dany and child murder

    ...which is fair enough. But tbh, the first part of my reply was more to do with slaves in the U.S.A. And how I don't think it's something you can go like for like over. I wandered back to Dany at the end just to stay on topic. I don't doubt that Dany will erase the place from the map. Cleansed by fire, if you like. It's a whole different way to free the slaves but it also tears out the root of slavery. And it's fits her Targ identity to do it that way. And her story needs to fit into a book with a ton of other characters...
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    Dany and child murder

    A guy flies through space with his telepathic cats looking for work. His ship is some kind of bio weapon that creates all manner of creatures, designed to fit the specifications of a planets needs. Or, I should say, the needs of it's human inhabitants. Definitely worth a read.
  9. TheThreeEyedCow

    Dany and child murder

    You know, I'm not so sure. If violence is the only course of action open to you then you re-create the rule of might is right. Turning slavers into slaves would only be bloody vengeance. You'd be saying "slavery is fine, so long as we're not the ones being enslaved." There must be examples of a better way to follow. How does a greater society develop into something more if it's focus is to turn tables instead of building new ones? What I see is an example of someone dead-set to change things in the here and now. Within their own lifetime. Which is natural. But I think it's one of the biggest flaws in mankind. If Dany actually had something tangible to offer freed men, instead of merely offering it as an empty token, she may of seen something different happening in Mereen. If she gradually emancipated the slaves through law and legislation she may of built a new city over time. Instead, she goes all Stannis Baratheon on them and just slams the door. And promptly gives them cause to fight her. Viable alternatives can be just as effective as threats of violence. If I want your money, I could wave my knife at you and demand it. Alternatively, I could whittle you a nice back-scratcher and earn your money that way. It'd be a harder path. It'd take longer. But it's better for everyone. Violence was necessary to conquer the city. She couldn't do a damn thing outside of it's walls. But the abolition of slavery is a much greater effort imo. Their entire culture was built around it. It was never just going to go away. Hence I don't think it's unlikely that she'll eventually return, see it's rotten core, and burn it to the ground. Everything she wants to do has to happen within her own lifetime. And she doesn't have the time to babysit them.
  10. TheThreeEyedCow

    Dany and child murder

    Very dark, I suspect. I don't blame Brynden B Fish for thinking that way. We need only look into her toolbox to see that it's all hammers - blunt instruments to wreak havoc. By land (Dothraki) by sea (IB) and by air (dragons). And then when we look at her objectives, what else can she do other than wage war on anyone who defies her? Her experience of 'playing the game' in Mereen is an overwhelmingly negative one. I think the fate of Mereen depends on what Dany see's when she returns to it. If the city goes to hell, she might just finish it off/ make an example of it. Dragons plant no trees. Strongly agree with that last part. For many, the ends justify the means. But I see it more as Dany embracing what she is instead of struggling with it. A conqueror. I had to google Timur. And I do see the potential for her to become a similar figure in the eyes of some. She wants to be Rhaegar (who doesn't?) but Timur may well be a more accurate comparison by the end of the story. It reminds me of Jaime when he thinks back on who he wanted to be and compares that to who he is now. It's annoying. Her mentors have all been pretty useless and have failed her to the point where she can only revert to type. The story needs to provide her with someone who isn't an utter creep. A someone who doesn't have ulterior motives.
  11. TheThreeEyedCow

    So who is The Harpy?

    Those are some good points and the parallels between Theon and the Unsullied seem to fit. I'm just having another read through. I'm getting to the end of GOT so I'll be keeping this in mind going forwards. I agree that Dany didn't think things all the way through re the freeing of slaves and the "liberation" of Mereen. And the idea that 'The Harpy' is actually Dany herself is very tantalising. As you said, with the whip, slave army, and pyramid... it's a question of perspective. Thanks for sharing.
  12. TheThreeEyedCow

    Dany and child murder

    Yes, every character is a shade of grey. But I think that these characters darken and lighten. Depending on what GRRM throws at them. I didn't watch The Abomination, but I understand they turned her into a moustache twirling villain. I don't think GRRM wants to turn Dany into a villain. No more than he wanted to kill Rob Stark and Grey Wind and Catelyn. But I do think that given the story so far, he will show us what he believes to be the true cost of power. Fire and Blood. Unless Dany is going to cook up some black pudding for her people, it can only mean that she will use what she has at her disposal to win. Dragons and potentially Dothraki and Iron Born. And if the best council she has is a telepathic witch and a vengeful dwarf, what hope has she of choosing another path? All signs point to her turning to a very dark shade of grey imo.
  13. TheThreeEyedCow

    Dany and child murder

    1st. Tokar's are worn by the wealthy. So it's not unfair to assume that any person wearing one has a big hand in slavery. 2nd. I don't think that there is a definitive answer to that. Slavery is a huge part of their culture. People are born into it. Dany had to smash them to get them to cease. In my opinion, 12 is young enough to of not actively purchased a human being at auction. Though they would of benefited from slavery they may not of had a chance to propagate it. 3rd. Yes and yes. You don't get to the top of the pyramid with all of your principles intact. 4th. Iirc, she's looking upon a sixteen year old and realising that this person is essentially a child. Not that much different to a 12 year old. It's never going to be an exact science. I have a thirteen year-old brother who hasn't been through puberty yet. I went through it at 12. 5th. Yep. Mirri rose up in defiance of Drogo and Dany and I suppose the Dothraki as a whole. Dany really is in the middle of all of this. And if it hadn't of cost Dany her love and her child, then I believe Dany would of supported her actions. As another poster said early on, killing a child isn't too different than killing an adult. I think that the North may be somewhat different considering they have harsh winters to weather and so rely on keeping children safe so as to re-emerge on the other side of winter with plenty of people to start again. It's a question of practicality - not ethics. Even so, it's a good way of having readers warm to certain characters. And despite the inevitable hypocrisy of starting a war and expecting children to go unharmed, it is preferable to those who kill indiscriminately such as Tywin and Gregor Clegane. It's a grey area and true to form, GRRM has given us varying shades of grey. I worry that Dany will turn darker and darker the more she's pushed. It's her potential that frightens me. If she flips, the whole world will too. Fire & blood.
  14. TheThreeEyedCow

    Davos Seaworth as Admiral of a war fleet

    No. Davos is no admiral. We have no evidence of that. And it's hard to see Stannis giving this position away when arguably he himself is the best candidate to command a fleet of ships. In fairness to Davos, he could probably command a fleet to move from a to b. He clearly has knowledge of seafaring from his time as a smuggler. But commanding a war fleet from the deck and taking them into battle would be a whole bunch of other skills. Plus, he's Stannis' Hand. I don't think a king would send his hand to do this. If Stannis had need of an admiral then I would like to see Asha take up that position. But that ain't gonna happen.
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    Poll. Is Bran ever leaving the cave?

    YES - I think he will leave the cave and soon. If ppl are going to mention the abomination isn't it also worth considering that GRRM would of relayed the plot points in broad strokes? Plus, it mushed certain characters together into one. Bran becoming King might not be Bran himself. He's a wargy greenseer. So he could be the king by occupying someone else? Because it's difficult imagining a kingdom like Westeros supporting a claim by an eerie little cripple boy. We keep hearing of caves and lakes beneath the surface. We hear of the Wildlings - Gendel and Gorne and their journey's through the caves. So it seems reasonable that the one POV character we have beyond the wall would make best use of it. It's in GRRM's MO to insert strange, subterranean creatures into his worlds so I expect to see something or someone down there too. And with all that's happening on the surface; unbearable cold, army of whites, it just seems inevitable that other characters will also seek shelter in these caves. Then there's the WF crypts that go deep into the earth. What gives me pause for thought is the potential for the wall coming down. As in, the magic barrier will fall and that may enable Bran to do everything remotely. But I ultimately feel certain that Bran is destined to return to WF. Once the Bolton's are dealt with obvs. And he will arrive via the tunnels and the crypts. If things lined up nicely, then I'd favour a scenario where Bran arrived before the Boltons were ousted. This way, it could be Bran himself who evicts the Boltons. In a not too dissimilar fashion to Lann the clever who's exploits allegedly won him Casterly Rock. Only instead of tricks and whispers, Bran would use warging to turn people against one-another. It'd be neat. But it's not likely given the time and space between them. George like showing us how these big impressive castles can be penetrated in different ways, even when fully garrisoned.
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    So who is The Harpy?

    Go on...
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    Could Dany conquer Dorne with a Dothraki horde?

    The supply lines would be a nightmare. And under constant harassment. There's only two viable ways in. Compare that to the abundance of accessible coastline in the north. Or the practically non existent borders of the Riverlands. The Dornish would let you make headway inland just to cut you off when you're not looking. The Dornish wouldn't hold castles and forts to the last man. They leave them to be occupied and then make life for the inhabitants unbearable. In-fact, for the average person who isn't accustomed to their heat, life in general is pretty unbearable as it is. I think it is possible to conquer them. But you'd need an ally within it's borders. That's sort of how Nymeria did it. She buddied up to the Martells. Maybe one day there'll be a conqueror who's bloody minded enough to throw wave after wave at them and eventually break them down. But that's stupid. And it would just be asking for another power to see you distracted and make their move on your lands. The best way for Dany to take Dorne would be to ally with the Yrnwoods and/or the Daynes. If not the Martells themselves, of course.
  18. TheThreeEyedCow

    Your Sigil, Your Words, Your Fealty, and the Name of Your Keep.

    House: Cakeordeath Sygil: A white skull on a black field. A slice of Lemon cake between it's teeth. Words: "It's tea time" Lands: South of the Mander. North of the Honeywine. Beside the Rose Road. Seat: Caketon Ceremonial weapon: A valyrian steel butter knife with matching spoons and forks. Blood: Everyone is banging everyone. God: Depends on who's looking. History: Notoriously absent from almost every war. The house Cakeordeath have their scrumptious cakes to thank for keeping them in good stead. The late Luthor Tyrell once remarked, "craven they may be. But that was the best bit of cake I've had in ages."
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    Bowen's next decision

    Bowens next move is to promptly crap his pants as a group of hostile and very confused FreeFolk begin to ask, "and why should we follow you?" Cus.... they're like that. If by some miracle the FreeFolk don't instantly respond aggressively, then Bowen is going to have to either put on another election or assume command. Neither seem possible. The latter due in no small part to the aforementioned scenario where-by the freefolk question the worth of their newly, self appointed leader. The former due to enormous task of physically bringing men back to CB. As for the Boltons... if that pink letter is real then he hasn't a hope in seven hells of fulfilling his side of the bargain. He's not in possession of half the people mentioned. And the Queens men aren't going to hand over the heir to SE. Bowen has blundered. I hope Ghost eats him.
  20. TheThreeEyedCow

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    Same! Oh yes. Leaving her behind at RR would be part of that. And it is interesting to think on how Cat would of reacted in the wake of it all. I suppose it would be irony. And it would mean that she had to live with it albeit until Tywin kicks the door down. And who knows. She may of gone all vengeful LS without having to die. That said. It would risk The Mountain getting his hands on her. And she doesn't deserve that.
  21. TheThreeEyedCow

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    Nothing, he can lay siege to wherever he wants. That's literally what happens in war. But, there'd be a conversation. There'd be pause for thought. If the Blackfish held Jaime after the RW had taken place. I'm certain that the Blackfish would of mounted the head of Tywin's heir upon the walls of RR. And I think Tywin would know that. The Blackfish is a entirely different opponent than the young, Rob Stark. He wouldn't treat him the same way as he did 'the boy king'. It may well be a lot of 'if's' but that's literally all I have! Very little in aSoIaF is clear cut. Never black and white or definitive. There's a chance. And that's enough for me. I think there'd be greater symbolism in leaving Cat behind at her families castle. That's my opinion. It's a form of exile where her misjudgement has cost her her place amongst them. The gods forbid any kind of capital punishment. I think that this punishment would be felt and it wouldn't spill a drop of blood.
  22. TheThreeEyedCow

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    Those are good points, well made. Definitely something to think on as I approach another read of aSoS. Sobering. I get very zoomed in with Rob Stark and I can't help myself trying to figure out how he could of made it back north in one piece. I don't think, nor have I ever stated that the capture of Jaime could win the war for the Starks. Nor would it buy clemency. I merely believe it would of changed the outcome of the event at the twins. Maybe Tywin didn't give two squirts about Jaime. But I do favour the idea that he simply called their bluff. Knowing all to well the 'honor' of the Starks and that the idea of one of Ned's kin doing something despicable, just wasn't a likely eventuality. As for that last part. I think that's either a jab at me or an attempt at humour. *shrugs* Either way I do stand firm on the belief that for the crime of defying her king and son, Catelyn got off lightly. The death of her husband etc wasn't part of that transaction. Suffering doesn't buy you impunity. Grief doesn't excuse treachery. These things should be weighed separately or else the law would always be an utter mess. A tangle of emotional conjecture with no clear outcome. We as readers understand Cat's motives. I'm not putting her on trial for being beside herself with stress and worry. We're put into her head. We hear every thought. And yet, when I reach that pivotal moment in the series I think, no no no. Cat! You're defying your son. The man you need to support. This wasn't your decision to make. And it cannot be undone. Even if it weren't Jaime as a hostage, it would be a huge disservice to Rob. One that put's Rob in a worse situation in every conceivable way.
  23. TheThreeEyedCow

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    And you think her crime fits that punishment? Because I really, really don't.
  24. TheThreeEyedCow

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    Cut the RW entirely? Perhaps not. But it could of bought Rob's life. Maybe Cat's too. I agree vengeance was coming regardless. But you must agree that vengeance can come in many different forms? There a ways to humble a person. In my opinion, the RW played out the way it did for the sole reason that there would be no recourse from the other side. It appears to me that Cat basically went unpunished. And I can't stress enough how highly I regard JL's importance as a hostage. As for a fitting punishment. I have to admit that I wrestle with that on every read. The closest I've come is resigning myself (given that she's his mother) to the idea that he should of left her at RR. In my eyes, she couldn't be a Stark. She was and always would be a Tully. A fish out of water. The Starks are a hard people. They need to be that way. And what Rob did was so soft that it pains me whenever I have to read those chapters.
  25. TheThreeEyedCow

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    Good point. I suppose he had time to ruminate on things and so could not of acted in haste. I'm just stuck on how he didn't choose to act like a king. And instead acted as Catelyn's boy.