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  1. 23 hours ago, Lluewhyn said:

    Hard to say, because so much of their personalities were shaped by their experiences. If Dany was the older one, she might not have the same drive to "reclaim her birthright" that Viserys did, especially since that means she'll be subservient in status to her baby brother.  In OTL, Dany was pretty apathetic towards returning to Westeros until a specific chain of events pushes her that way. If Dany is 20-something, why is she going to go along with a plan to marry Khal Drogo without an older brother forcing her? If not, would Illyrio really give her the dragon eggs?

    Gender and order of birth will not matter in her case.  She "woke dragons from stone" and will be seen as the real dragon with the right to rule over all men. 

    It is very sad because Viserys never got the chance to see Daenerys hatch those dragons in the middle of the Dothraki Sea.  He would have been the first to kneel and swear his service. 

     


  2. 6 hours ago, Aldarion said:

    Several reasons:

    1) Honor. They are bound by duty, honor and pledge to support the rightful king. That is not so easily broken, especially with people who are not as psychopathic as modern humans are. Why do you think German officers took so long a time to try and kill off Hitler, even after the war turned against Germany? They were sworn - and Hitler played it cleverly by making them swear a pledge of loyalty directly to him, not to German state or people; so they could not use Byzantine justification for overthrowing a ruler ("He is harmful to common good").

    2) Consistency. Targaryens had been ruling for centuries, and Aerys himself was not always mad. Overthrowing a ruler is not easy to justify, overthrowing a dynasty far less so. And Rhaegar himself remained loyal, so they lacked a figurehead to form around.

    3) Hope. As I mentioned, Rhaegar was there. So there was hope that "we just need to survive this insane moron and then we are good". But Rebellion happened and insane moron got replaced by a lazy moron.

    Killing subordinates is not unheard of in a feudal world.  Killing the Starks was not a good reason to rebel. I would think many lords chuckled when they heard what Aerys did to the Starks.  Aerys was not harming the regular folks.  Westeros was stable and many lords were getting fat under his reign. 


  3. 38 minutes ago, frenin said:

    Jaeharys must've been a mage then. 

    @Unit A2 Yeah, tell that to the Dornish, they really benefited from Aegon's "generosity".

    I blame the Dornish for being stubborn.  To be more specific, I blame the Dornish noblemen.  The peasant class would have been so much better off if their lords had to answer to a Targaryen overlord. 


  4. He was generous because:

    1. He could afford to be.
    2. His family was not burdened with many generations of feuds with other lords.  He was guided by revenge.
    3. To expound on #2, he was able to rule without bias because he had little to no history with the High Lords and their houses. 

    Westeros benefitted from having an outsider to conquer them.  It would have gone very badly for the people if one of the High Lords had managed to become dominant.  The people fared better compared to what would have happened had Harren, Argillac, or Torrhen had gotten the upper hand on the others.  A foreigner ruling over them was the best possible outcome for Westeros. 


  5. 31 minutes ago, Arthur Peres said:

    she cleary saw Cersei calling for the death of Lady. 

    This alone should have told Sansa what she needed to know about Cersei and Joffrey.  But no, she had her head filled with King Joffrey and Queen Sansa.  Visions of unearned and undeserved grandeur filled her head.  I will temper this by pointing that there are far worse people in those pages.  Arya and Jon are worse.  I don't hate Sansa but it makes me question the sensibilities of a few members on this forum who believe she is fit material to be queen.  She can marry a landed knight and I think that would be a reasonable and fair ending for Sansa. 


  6. Sansa's betrayal prevented the Starks from escaping King's Landing.  Had Sansa not betrayed the plan, yeah, the Starks would have made it back home and left the mess behind.  You know, people criticize Ned for failing to catch on, but at least he caught on.  It was not too late when his eyes were opened.  He had a reasonable escape plan but he made a mistake when he told the girls.  He should never have told Sansa.  It is a glaring character defect of Sansa's.  Being selfish. 


  7. On 10/12/2019 at 11:34 PM, Quoth the raven, said:

    A wellknown youtuber has proposed that they are new born bastards that got disposed of on the other side of the wall.  This is the great sin of the lord's right to have the first sex with all peasant brides.  These offsprings of noblemen are coming back to put forth claims on the lands of their fathers. 

    Mine proposed that these are the descendants of the Stark NK.  The Others and the Starks are two brances from the same tree.  Craster as well because the Others tolerate his presence on their side of the wall.

     

    Preston Jacobs and the Bastard Gate theory.  The amount of babies killed are high.  It wasn't only the lords who were guilty of producing bastards like it's a factory assembly line.  Men who got women pregnant out of wedlock and the women themselves with honor to protect were getting rid of unwanted children. 


  8. The 13th commander was corrupted by love.  Jon got corrupted by the love he secretly holds for Arya.  I don't necessarily think he will become the new NK but he will betray the purpose of the watch and side with the White Walkers.  Jon is very similar to Arya.  He has revenge on his mind.  Jon will follow the path of Lady Stoneheart.  Living in a broken body and staying alive only to punish the people who fought against his family. 


  9. On 9/25/2019 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Newhouse said:

    There's the dead direwolf.  

    There's Lyanna.  

    There's Lyanna in a crypt with some opposition.

    There's the man with the wolf's head in the House of the Undying that looks at Dany, pleading for sympathy.

    There's Bran and Rickard appearing to be dead without dying and then Shaggydog getting killed soon after.

     

    The Starks will become kings of the north again but not in the way they hoped for.  The Starks will rule over a dead land covered by ice.  They will die and may get a second chance as wolves. 

    1 hour ago, Daniel Newhouse said:

    Lyanna died in a bed of blood holding onto the ashes of a blue rose.  I suspect the blue rose represents her, the last of the original Stark line.  

     

    Bran, the Stark child with the most foresight is uneasy about Lyanna's tomb in the crypt of Winterfell.

    I forgot, Lady gets beheaded.

    The blue rose comes from a bard in disguise who steals the maidenhead of a wolf girl.  Bael did it long ago.  Mance did it to Lyanna and produced Jon Snow. 


  10. On 9/9/2019 at 7:31 PM, Andrew Yang for President said:

    On the matter of right and wrong.  I can see why what another considers right that another would consider wrong.  A tiger who must eat meat to live can't be faulted for hunting.  It's what the creator made them to do to survive.  The little dik-dik who the tiger preys on doesn't see it this way.  The tiger is the villain to the little dik dik.  We have to look at the matter from a narrow lens in order to decide the matter of right and wrong.  

     

    On 9/9/2019 at 7:31 PM, Andrew Yang for President said:

    It was justified to Walder.  He's the patriarch of a rich and large clan.  He had a lot to lose.  The Starks couldn't keep themselves in order.  Robb porks Jeyne, falls in love, and breaks his oath to the Freys.  And this after the Freys have bled for him.  Catelyn gives away an extremely important hostage for the very small chance of getting her girls back.  She bought Jaime's promise to send her girls back.  How that must have looked to their bannermen.  Stupid move.  Robb had the nerve to come back asking for another deal because he was desperate to survive the war his mother started.   Walder took advantage because he needed to remove the taint of rebellion and reestablish good relations with the real ruler in King's Landing, not this king in the north who humiliated the Freys.  

    I can agree with the second paragraph.  The Starks put the Freys in a terrible position.  For what, for one boy.  Walder was forced to make a choice that carried a lot of risks, but the reward for that made the risk worthwhile to him.  The Freys better than honored their end of the deal.  The Starks refused to honor theirs.  Walder Frey now faced the possibility of losing a lot.  He must make himself useful to the Lannisters else they could take away his holdings.  Houses Frey and Bolton together can't hope to win against the Starks.  Trickery had to be employed.  It was a nasty trick but when you do the math it makes sense.  Walder could fight the Starks in battle, and lose.  It was better to trick them and play on their desperation to get his services again.  Many more people would have died if Walder had chosen to fight the Starks in battle.  The red wedding kept the death toll to as low as it could be to get the job done.  The only innocent casualty is Aegon Frey.  Many innocents would have died if the Freys had foght the Starks fairly.  Winning is the most important.  It wasn't honorable but if you think on it, there is no honor in defeat either.  Defeat can mean the death of his family. 


  11. On 8/29/2019 at 6:23 PM, nyser1 said:

    There is a Northern throne. Plus the country has been at civil war. A leader or leaders of great region(s) certainly are in a position to make a play.

    For the north, maybe.  For the whole of Westeros, no.  The team of Petyr and Sansa won't make it that big. 


  12. @victornewman Blue Velvet is on Prime right now.  

    One of his best lines:

    Don't be a good neighbor to her.

    I'll send you a love letter straight from my heart, f***er.

    You know what a love letter is?

    It's a bullet from fuckin' gun, f***er.

    You receive a letter from me, you are f**ked forever, f**k.

    Understand, f**k?

    I'll send you straight to hell, f**k!

     

     

     


  13. Sansa doesn't have a pathway to the throne.  Sansa and Harry could become lord and lady of the vale.  He could influence them to back him for the throne.  Maybe he thinks Braavos might side with him.  That would not be enough ordinarily but the recent war tooks its toll on everyone.  


  14. On 8/16/2019 at 8:10 PM, kissdbyfire said:

    Only that’s not a very good argument. Yes, wanting to save (f)Arya from Ramsay definitely plays a part and is a motivator. But first, that’s just as it should be. Anyone who knows of a child - any child - that a sadistic nutjob psycho is raping and torturing repeatedly and does nothing is a world-class PoS. Let’s also remember that said sadistic nutjob psycho is the son of the man who basically killed all your loved ones. Second, Jon wants to take out Ramsay; saving Arya is the cherry on top. And the author made that very clear and easy for the reader to understand, because he gave us Jon’s words, Jon’s actions, and even more importantly, Jon’s thoughts on the matter. 

    It's a great argument.  Nobody said leadership is easy.  The principles and rules of the watch have always said one must forget the past in order to begin a new life at the wall.  Recruits have to forget old allegiances and let go of their previous loyalties in order for the watch to do its job of defending everyone.  The defense would fail at its job if it only defended the families it liked.  It is reasonable to expect a recruit to train with another boy who came from a family who had fought his own.  Both boys will be expected to put their new family, the Nightswatch, above any little remaining feelings for their old family or else the watch can never become a team.  Jon was expected to forget his loyalties to the Stark and to do what is needed in order to defend Westeros.  Starting a war with Ramsay was the wrong move to make.  


  15. 3 hours ago, Ckram said:

    Regarding the KG's journey, I'm backed by canon and semi-canon sources. Which even contradict the theory that Lyanna was being taken prisoner by Aerys.

    Not really.  There is nothing at all to prove that those guys were hanging out at the tower.  Ned's fever dream does not in any way prove those men had been at the tower for a long time.  

     


  16. The factions in the story are too preoccupied with the pursuit of their own agendas to look at the looming doom's day that is the White Walkers.  It's not only the fault of one side.  Jon Snow is also to be blamed for this.  The kingdom is too busy fighting over the throne.  Which is bad.  Jon is too busy with taking his sister away from Ramsay and saving Mance Rayderfrom the chopping block.  All of the people involved are too distracted.  


  17. Just now, Angel Eyes said:

    You don’t think so? She’s petty enough to murder Melara for wanting to have Jaime, and you don’t think that she wouldn’t have Harlan killed and make it not look suspicious? Just ask the second High Septon about that. And she also tried to have Tyrion killed in battle. Point is, she’s willing to kill people for getting between her and Jaime, smart enough to make it look like an accident (until Osney Kettleblack revealed the truth), and willing to try and get her relatives killed.

    The palace was surrounded by loyal people during her youth.  It won't be easy to bribe somebody to kill a white cloak.  She was only a teenage girl then.  


  18. On 7/1/2019 at 7:12 PM, Tyrion1991 said:

    I never got Danys reasoning behind this.

    In Clash Jorah says that his former wife Lynesse who he loved dearly looks like Dany. Now, most people, would join the dots and think that this is plain simple lust. Tyrion jibes Jorah about this in ADWD “like with like is that the way of it? Guess you’ll take a nice she bear.” Jorah wants his old wife back and Dany just happens to look like her. But instead Dany immediately and without any pause thinks that “he loves me as he loves her”. Which is a massive leap and it then becomes a point that Dany brings up almost whenever she thinks of Jorah. 

    To take the most recent and prominent example in ADWD from her last chapter:

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    ”My Bear, she thought, my old sweet bear, who loved me and betrayed me. She had missed him so. She wanted to see his ugly face, to wrap her arms around him and press herself against his chest, but she knew if she turned around Ser Jorah would be gone. 

    “Iam dreaming” she said. “A waking dream, a walking dream. Iam alone and lost.”

    Lost because you lingered, in a place you were never meant to be, murmured Ser Jorah as softly as the wind. Alone, because you sent me from your side.

    ”You betrayed me. You informed on me, for gold.”

    For home. Home was all I ever wanted.

    ”And me. You wanted me.” Dany had seen it in his eyes.

    I did, the grass whispered, sadly.

    ”You kissed me. I never said you could, but you did. You sold me to my enemies, but you meant it when you kissed me”

     

    Yes Dany really is arguing with a ghost that Jorah loves her.

    Now I think the last bits probably the most telling about Danys state of mind where she insists that “you meant it when you kissed me”. Because it means Dany isn’t referring to just lust or a platonic bond or some parental affection when she talks of love. When she says that Jorah loves it’s her placing value on that romantic attachment.

    Am I missing something here? Iam not sure why George is so keen to stress this. If the point of Jorah is that he should get over his unhealthy obsession and entitlement with this beautiful woman who he’s lusting over; then why have Dany view it in a positive light at all? Seems kind of redundant.

    If George wanted to say that Dany missed her friend then there are a lot of ways to express that. Not, waxing lyrical on true love. Why does Dany care exactly?

    The only thing I can think is that although Dany doesn’t have any romantic feelings towards Jorah she still takes an enormous amount of reassurance from it. So she wants to believe that this guy truly loves her because it gave her some comfort having Jorah be so beholden to her. Perhaps the best example I can think of is how she is so shocked Jorah could love and betray her; totalling ignoring his point that this was before he came to love her. For Dany this is never a valid point because it doesn’t fit her narrative that’s she’s built around Jorah. Once she learns he loves her she basically defines him by that character trait. This is why she feels the need to argue with the Ghost when it says that he only cared about home and that “I did” love her. Dany again disputes both these points because she doesn’t want to believe them. So I think she has an idealised image of Jorah in her head that doesn’t have any resemblance to his actual character. Perhaps it just means she doesn’t know him at all?

    There are two sides to Dany.  Dany, the teenager and Dany, the ruler.  The teenager is keen on picking up subtle emotions.  She knows Jorah loves her.  The ruler knows she must punish Jorah and did.  Jorah was spying on the Targaryens but he has never done anything to harm them.  He was informing on them but when the time came to choose, he chose her over his home.  I think Dany the teenager knows this but the ruler side knows he must be punished.  Jorah has saved her life often.  That qualifies as proof of loyalty for most people but the ruler side is tough. The two sides reached a compromise and banished him instead of sentencing him to death.  Jorah loves her but that love wasn't there at the beginning.  He is being seen partly for what he was and what he is now.  


  19. On 7/9/2019 at 5:25 AM, Anti-Stark said:

    I don't think they will go extinct.  Jon and Arya will both die and their spirits will live as direwolves.  So yes they will breed as direwolves.  Jon and Arya will mate.  Arya will whelp a litter of direwolves to form their pack.  

    The wolves will come again.  Literally.  

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