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  1. On 2/28/2019 at 3:23 PM, Gramse said:

    Ponder the idea that the Others have a man on the "inside" south of the wall. By inside I mean a person in the enemy camp clearing way for them in subtle ways and perhaps even gives them information.

    What would this person do?

    1. Perhaps he would try to weaken the North in some ways, since this is the region closest to The Wall and most likely to help them if The Others should attack.

    2. Perhaps he would want to weaken or make the northern lords dislike The Wall and the men there. He would try to make people "forget" about the wall.

    3. One would most likely want to create wars and food to weaken mankind.

    4. Most certainly would such a "man" would do everything in his power to stop Stannis and "the red witch" with her fire magic. As fire is effective against wights and perhaps the fire magic also.

     

    As a matter of fact, there is such a person doing exactly this thing. 

    It is a person who got his job after his predecessor left for the wall and joined a white tree. And the man who replaced him is a necromancer. Odd, isn't it? 

    He is described as a wizard or similar numerous times and he is associated with blue magic and blue flames when he lost his manhood. He is of course Varys the... Spider. We have all been deceived, there is a missing word in his "name", it should read Varys the ICE spider. 

    I wrote a longer article about it here:

     

    Varys tried to save King Aerys from his enemies.  He supports the Targaryen restoration which is for the best of humanity.  If the Others have an inside man then it's more like an inside family.  The Starks have significant connections to the White Walkers and may share the same bloodline.  A Stark must always be in Winterfell to await the coming of their gods.  The frozen corpses of the kings of winter lie in state while they wait for the White Walkers to return and give them life again.  Although they forgot to read the fine print about coming back as ice zombies.


  2. 8 minutes ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

    While I'm sure he likes Dany, I dont think affection will stop him from thwarting a pureblood Targaryen restoration. I think the infertility issues would end the line permanently anyway, because to be historically accurate, a dynasty based on incest shouldn't last that long. I doubt he is in favor of puritanical beliefs about exceptional humans or that he is a blood purity supremacist at heart. The bastard system is a form of blood purity and I doubt he believes that's a good system either. I doubt he believes that one group of humans is actually superior and the most beautiful and the most extraordinary and better than other humans. I doubt the legacy of "we are above the law" and "fire and blood" is the moral of the story. I doubt he really cares if the blood of Valyria got watered down. And I get the sense that he favors Jon, the half-breed and not Dany, for endgame ruler anyway.

     

     

     

     

    I doubt the author favors Jon as a ruler.  Jon is an idiot who thoroughly fucked up at the wall.  He can't manage a few thousand underlings.  He sure as hell won't be able to manage a kingdom.


  3. 11 hours ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

    Nobles in our world too believed to be inherently better than peasants but it wasn't sanctioned by the church and same is in Westeros. Jaehaerys needed reason to elevate Targaryens to higher status than other nobles.

    Correct.  He needed to highlight the difference between them and the common man.  And he had a lot of good points.  After all, they came from a culture that practiced sibling marriages.  That culture pre-date the seven.  They ride dragons.  Something the common man can't do.  They look different.  


  4. On 2/27/2018 at 8:56 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

     

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    Thanks for the thoughtful replies to my original topic. I have done some more reading and came up with additional ideas on this topic.  Apologies because we have gone to the side of the road and veered to the left of the topic.  But this is still about Dany so I feel it's fine to proceed.  So those old men with the swords of fire.  They were Azor Ahai and the vision doesn't paint a picture of men who were in their primes and the tattered clothes probably meant they had not changed for a long time.  What could make kings wear faded and worn clothing?  The more I think on this and the more I read people's comments the more I refine my original ideas.  The clothes are faded because they were living through the long night!  Lack of food, spare clothing, gaunt, pale.  All point to people who lost civilization.  And their bespoke tailors!  

    So if Azor Ahai won, why did the long night last so long?  Answer: He didn't win.  History is often wrong so why not legends.  Those Azor Ahais could not turn back the darkness.  They had to wait it out until the long night passed.  This is consistent with Nan's story of a night that lasted for a lifetime.  They also killed their wives. Due to insanity or maybe just like in Nan's story of the mother's smothering their babies to spare them from suffering.  Dany smothered Drogo to spare him from suffering.  

    I don't have much to base this on except the post "Targaryen Madness Is An Exaggeration" and 'Will Jon Snow Go Mad?" posts.  I believe those kings went mad.  They were the ancestors of the Targaryens and they were all Azor Ahai.  They went mad.  Male Targaryens are susceptible to madness.  Think about this.  Madness can't be common among the 40 ruling families of old Valyria.  So just maybe it's not a Valyrian thing, it's a Targaryen family curse.  Call it genetics.  Whatever the case may be, many male Targaryens go mad.  

    What is their interest in our young hero?  They were cheering Dany on like a squad of retired male cheerleaders.  Run, run away from the darkness.  Wake, wake the dragon.  They were encouraging Dany because she is the only hope to defeat the long night.  Why?  Because she's the first female Azor Ahai.  She's not susceptible to madness.   Azor Ahai is now female and she has three dragons.  She is the Prince Who Was Promised.  The prophecy used the word "prince" and it has been explained because dragons are gender neutral.  But we have to remember, the prophesied person comes before the dragons.  The word choice is not "prince' because dragons are gender neutral but because all the other Azor Ahais before were male.  But this time around is different and this is the game changer that everyone has been waiting for.  AA is born a female this time and instead of a magic sword she has three dragons!  English is not my strongest point so I am not getting my ideas across as well as I would like.  But I believe those old guys were AAs of ancient times, they lost the battle for the long night, they murdered their wives because they went insane, they only had swords to fight with, they have been waiting all this time for the Prince Who Was Promised, they needed a female AA to avoid the madness, they needed a female to hatch dragons, and that female Azor Ahai is Daenerys.

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/145805-targaryen-madness-is-an-exaggeration/

    Nice.  The dragons will change the game this time around.  They won't be able to force the weather to change back to summer but they can burn away the wights and their masters.  Most of the people in westeros will still die because winter kills.  Martin already warned us about that.  But having the dragons will save enough people to repopulate after the winter passes.


  5. I don't know about villains but they made the kingdom worse.  The kingdom would have been better off if Aerys had won the war and beheaded all of the Baratheons, Starks, and Arryns.  Or burn them.  Whichever he preferred.  Jon Arryn's math is messed up.  He started a rebellion that killed many to protect two men.  That should have been a clue as to what kind of leader he would be.  He allowed Robert to bankrupt the country.  Lf was screwing his wife underneath his nose.  Cersei was cuckolding the king under his watch.  That's not an improvement over Aerys.  Aerys burned people.  Duh, so does Stannis.  The Targaryens fought among themselves for power.  Duh, so do the Baratheons.  Look to Renly and Stannis.  Aerys punished some innocents along with the guilty at Duskendale.  Well, Robert sent an assassin after an innocent, young girl.  Whose throne he stole.  Ned protested but in the end was going to let it happen.  They were worse than Aerys.


  6. On 2/27/2018 at 8:56 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

     

    1.  

    Thanks for the thoughtful replies to my original topic. I have done some more reading and came up with additional ideas on this topic.  Apologies because we have gone to the side of the road and veered to the left of the topic.  But this is still about Dany so I feel it's fine to proceed.  So those old men with the swords of fire.  They were Azor Ahai and the vision doesn't paint a picture of men who were in their primes and the tattered clothes probably meant they had not changed for a long time.  What could make kings wear faded and worn clothing?  The more I think on this and the more I read people's comments the more I refine my original ideas.  The clothes are faded because they were living through the long night!  Lack of food, spare clothing, gaunt, pale.  All point to people who lost civilization.  And their bespoke tailors!  

    So if Azor Ahai won, why did the long night last so long?  Answer: He didn't win.  History is often wrong so why not legends.  Those Azor Ahais could not turn back the darkness.  They had to wait it out until the long night passed.  This is consistent with Nan's story of a night that lasted for a lifetime.  They also killed their wives. Due to insanity or maybe just like in Nan's story of the mother's smothering their babies to spare them from suffering.  Dany smothered Drogo to spare him from suffering.  

    I don't have much to base this on except the post "Targaryen Madness Is An Exaggeration" and 'Will Jon Snow Go Mad?" posts.  I believe those kings went mad.  They were the ancestors of the Targaryens and they were all Azor Ahai.  They went mad.  Male Targaryens are susceptible to madness.  Think about this.  Madness can't be common among the 40 ruling families of old Valyria.  So just maybe it's not a Valyrian thing, it's a Targaryen family curse.  Call it genetics.  Whatever the case may be, many male Targaryens go mad.  

    What is their interest in our young hero?  They were cheering Dany on like a squad of retired male cheerleaders.  Run, run away from the darkness.  Wake, wake the dragon.  They were encouraging Dany because she is the only hope to defeat the long night.  Why?  Because she's the first female Azor Ahai.  She's not susceptible to madness.   Azor Ahai is now female and she has three dragons.  She is the Prince Who Was Promised.  The prophecy used the word "prince" and it has been explained because dragons are gender neutral.  But we have to remember, the prophesied person comes before the dragons.  The word choice is not "prince' because dragons are gender neutral but because all the other Azor Ahais before were male.  But this time around is different and this is the game changer that everyone has been waiting for.  AA is born a female this time and instead of a magic sword she has three dragons!  English is not my strongest point so I am not getting my ideas across as well as I would like.  But I believe those old guys were AAs of ancient times, they lost the battle for the long night, they murdered their wives because they went insane, they only had swords to fight with, they have been waiting all this time for the Prince Who Was Promised, they needed a female AA to avoid the madness, they needed a female to hatch dragons, and that female Azor Ahai is Daenerys.

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/145805-targaryen-madness-is-an-exaggeration/

    The prophecy of Azor Ahai comes from the east.  I don't know why Mellisandre ever thought it was Stannis.  I don't think George Martin is a nihilist who will turn the world back to prehistoric times.  Dany (Azor Ahai) will find a way to help her people endure the long winter.  If the myth is true that the first long night was caused by the blood betrayal then it is reasonable to assume that the way to end it is to set things right.  By right, I mean to satisfy the Lion of the Night (the moon).  The Lion of the Night and the Maiden Made of Light (the sun) punished man for the blood betrayal.  The Maiden Made of Light (the sun) his her face, thus causing the long night.  The Lion of the Night (the moon) sent his white walkers to punish man.  That's how the myth goes.  If Dany is the reincarnation of their daughter, the Amethyst Empress, then her mere birth should satisfy the Lion of the Night, appease his anger and make him (the moon, the symbol for the night) go away.  The rebirth of her daughter may be enough to please the Maiden Made of Light (the sun) and draw her back into the world. 

    I don't think warring against the white walkers is the answer.  Quite possibly, Dany will have to avenge the blood betrayal and seek out the reincarnation of her brother and kill him.  I'm fine with that. 

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