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  1. The Sunland Lord

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    That's because you originally proposed tongue-cutting as a punishment fitting Slynt's insubordination. And it is shown repeatedly in the text that tongue-cutting is ordered as a punishment, and more often than not, to please the needs of "amusement" of characters like the Mad King, Roose, Euron, who are all criminally insane to say the least. Does Jon Snow's personality fits the above? And Stannis punishing Davos with chopping his fingers is not a fit comparison to Slynt's crime and punishment at all to begin with. Jon doesn't have the ASOIAF books, he is not informed about every possible punishment we know happened through history. He knows what his father thought him and what he's seen through his short period of time spent at the Wall. If he was more experienced/older, then he might've even managed to escape the whole situation and avoid dealing with all the consequences for both him and Slynt. Atm he reacted the only way he could. A man in this story is hanged for a stolen ham. I don't see anyone crying over it. Could whoever judged him decided otherwise? Chop off his fingers? Cut off the hand he stole the ham with? Put him on a three months strict diet?
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Entirely different circumstances. Davos was judged by Stannis for smuggling, after saving Storm's Enders lives with the formers' supplies. Knowing Stannis he'd probably would've judged Davos more harshly if he just cought him for smuggling btw.
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    I kind of stated/asked if gelding is more for rapists at the end of the post. But cutting tongues? That's not what we hear the recent Stark generation does. It's usually done by those who like to have their "amusements" via hurting other people. I only assume they take thieves' hands which is a proper punishment for thieves in this setting. The Starks of the past were a different thing. But they were also notorious for (again) decapitating. Janos Slynt was a noble. If Jon was seriously going to hang him, then some people might've rightfully protested. But Jon was thought different than that. And the Night's Watch is like the last chance for the Realmers to prove themselves. Of course spitting in the LC's face and worse, insubordination, are crimes which don't have a matching mutilation for punishment. Robb seems to forget his father's teachings when he ordered people to be hanged. Yet it's still a death sentence. But there wasn't time to chop heads all day I guess. And prob they weren't all nobles.
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Cutting tongues is a punishment that is ordered by usually cruel/twisted men in the series (Aerys II, Roose, Euron Greyjoy). It certainly is not Jon Snow's style, Ned Stark's bastard son. Decapitation is considered cleaner and more just in Westeros, especially in the North. Certainly some would personally choose to live, but some would not and would prefer a "clean death". It's just that they don't get to choose. Gelding is more for rapists?
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    While I agree that no one knows what would have happened if it came to battle, the Wildlings are notoriously undisciplined fighters plus were caught completely unawares by Stannis.
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    What did Barristan think of Ned's execution?

    It's not his to think.
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    North South inter-marriage/religion prior Conquest

    Bran showed interest in being a knight, which is directly connected with the Seven. But prob he didn't have an idea about it really so I guess you're right. Ironically he becomes like the most powerful medium of the Old Gods ever. As to the OP, it's most likely an uncovered history. I don't think thay every Stark generation since the Andal presence cared so much to forbid building a Sept or something that radical. Although if I remember correctly, when the Manderlys came in the North, the King "let them worship their New Gods but took their gold". It sounds like sort of a compensation. Or it's just a price for the Manderlys to pay for their future as Northerners.
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    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    The wildfire. If some of those quotes are pre-Blackwater battle, I guess it's that Tyrion lives the pompous life of a Lannister and Sandor is probably envious. Add the fact what the Mountain has done to Sandor, while the latter might has heard how Tyrion complains how his father and sister mistreat him, which to the Hound sounds like nothing compared with Gregor's behaviour. Probably Tyrion was someone who just made the Hound's eyes roll before, but after the Blackwater I see why he'd really hate him.
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    Mace Tyrell and Rickard Stark?

    You know, there is a sellsword faction called Company of The Rose, founded by Northmen Westerosi who didn't accept Aegon's rule so they fled to Essos. Coincidence? I don't think so...
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on vol 2

    Jon should have beheaded Marsh, Slynt, Thorne, etc. for plotting to grant Tywin Lannister a favour, a man who didn't have any business in the Watch matters.
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    Explain the unexplainable

    Imo Roose´╗┐ wrote and sent the PL quickly after questioning Mance in order to provoke Jon Snow into´╗┐ reacting impulsive which was accomplished. Roose captured Mance and questioned him. He is present there, no need to let Ramsay to do the questioning, knowing how impulsive the latter is, and this is a quite delicate situation when Ramsay might not react rationally. Roose's motive is to remove Jon Snow from the Night's Watch/make him irrationally march on Winterfell/get him killed. Why? Because Roose found out that Jon is aiding Stannis, approved Mance's rescue mission, and last but not least, he is, after all, Ned Stark's son and Robb's half brother (in Roose's POV and almost every Westerosi), so it's only understandable that he wants to hurt the Boltons. So Jon is considered a threat, and Roose acted. Why would he wrote it as if Ramsay did it? Because Ramsay has a reputation of a mad dog. Roose wants to cover himself because 1) He doesn't want the Northern lords to find out that he threatens the LC of the Night's Watch and Eddard's bastard. They hate him already for betraying their cause and kingslayed Robb. 2) Who better to blame than Ramsay? If Jon gets killed/march on Winterfell after reacting the way he did (which happened) he would blame his bastard, "punish" him for threatening/provoking the LC of the NW into a trap and call it a day. He is still the better guy than his bastard. If things go south for another reason, again, just in case, it's Ramsay's fault. Why are Mance's phrases all over the Pink Letter? Simply because while questioning him, Roose/ his man/men writing the letter put those into it. Not much time nor need for phrasing it with his own words. I'd take a step forward and say that Roose might even cahooted with Marsh&other mutineers to murder Jon. Why? Because 1) The battle has still not been played out and another raven claiming this may arrive. Jon must be dead before this happens. The latter must believe that Stannis is smashed so Jon has no other option but to attack the Boltons himself. 2) Announcing that he is marching on Winterfell, Jon Snow endangers the Night's Watch vows of taking no part into realm's matters. So this makes his murder justified. Win for both the Boltons and March & other traitors.
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    Skinchanging into a baby?

    Well it's theoretically possible until we see what happens. Who knows, writer's often mentioning of teats maybe is a foreshadowing. Jon Snow warging into a teat milk suckling babe and staying there for life.
  13. Move on like nothing happened and proceed to wed Roslyn. As much as I like Robb and the Stark family in general, seriously these people are the only ones in the series who like to over-analyse every single bit of an action and therefore deciding what is the best thing to do in those situations. Sometimes you don't do nothing, just put the matter aside and move on. He didn't have to marry Jeyne to nobody, and Edmure could've move on with his bachelor life which he seemed to like.
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    Poll: 10 actions of asoiaf

    1. Yes. 2./ 3./ 4, 5, 6-No. 7. Yes, he is an impressive commander for his own age (and in general). 8. What plan? Are we so sure they are so loyal to each other, btw? That's what I'd like to know. 9. No. 10. No.
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    Mace Tyrell and Rickard Stark?

    They both have/had southron ambitions. Seriously, what is the point of this parallel, OP? I am genuinely interested.
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    Roose Bolton defeated Stannis Baratheon

    I think that Roose wrote and sent the PL quickly after questioning Mance (why would he let his insane bastard question Mance knowing that he'd rather just flay him and feed him to his girl dogs) in order to provoke Jon Snow into reacting impulsive which actually happened. But who wrote it isn't of utmost relevance for the battle itself imo. The battle probably haven't played out yet and the letter was written to accomplish something else rather than Ramsay getting his "Reek" and "wife" back. As for the odds: We really don't know who wins. The situation is very complex and both sides have pros and cons which are well known. However, the Boltons will come to an end. They will either die during Stannis's attack, a "friendly fire", or will simply get caught and butchered in their bedrooms by some of the thousands Northmen who lost family members at the Twins. Chaos and confusion is the best time to strike.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    Which is why I wrote that it was "probably" later, since you started grasping at straws. Then again you were the one who said that Stannis *actually* killed Renly but I usually don't butthurt unless someone else starts doing so.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    Killing your own brother is a reason for people to generally dislike the act. I don't care much about Renly, as one can see, but I certainly disapprove what Stannis did to Renly. And there are people at least on this forum, which dislike Stannis as a character because of this, but I don't see why should I remember who exactly they were or pointing them out.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    Stannis probably killed Renly via baby shadowdemon. Precise enough?
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    I meant we as readers, since it's clear that Stannis killed Renly via shadowdemon, we recognize Stannis as a brother killer since it managed to do it first, ant not vice versa. This doesn't make Renly any better in any case.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    Usurping is not that big of a problem since Robert did it. I said that Renly was willing to kill Stannis and his nephews and niece (he didn't know about the twincest), not usurp them. I didn't say it was OK. Stannis is a brother killer instead of Renly. I mock Renly's arrogance and ignorance. He has the right to play his strongest hand (well after he wanted to become a king, based on no law of course). My thoughts on Tywin sending Tyrion to King's Langing? Smart move, I guess. It's just that I dismiss the claims that Renly was so very charming and everyone loved him (not that you said it, to be fair). It's clear that Mace is an opportunist who jumped on Joffrey's ship after Renly died. Stannis knew about the twincest and recognized his brother as a king. After Robert, if Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella are born of incest, Stannis comes next in line. So he has a claim to the throne. Plus, as much as a tightarse Stannis is, he did parley with Renly.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    Yes, Stannis factually killed Renly. This is the tricky part by the author though: We dislike Stannis for doing so, only because he managed to do it first and he is the one that survived. Otherwise, Renly would've killed Stannis in battle (like he said he would, or one of his men would've done it) and both the readers and Westerosi would brand Renly as a brother killer/kinslayer instead.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    I didn't say it was. Ally to defeat the Lannisters, that's OK. But he would've killed Stannis with their help if he had the chance. He practically ordered it, only said that he didn't want his body to be mocked of after they killed him. I only mentioned the council once. And yes, Renly wasn't the sharpest tool in the box for not even trying to look into it. He just immaturely rejects it mockingly only because Stannis spread the word about it, Of course that Mace wanted his daughter to be a queen, and since he is an opportunist, it didn't matter to him if it would have been Renly or Joffrey the man he wed her to. Renly persuaded the Tyrells via Loras, not because he was himself very persuasive. I'm not saying that Stannis is much better. Just that Renly is not any better than him. Robert also didn't care about Stannis, but Stannis fought for him all the same. Fair enough. I understand Stannis for being pissed at the Tyrells, though. Add the fact that his brother joins forces with them and wants to kill him.
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    Condoning Renly Baratheon

    Let's not pretend that nothing's personal in both Westeros and real life. For example, it's OK not to hate the Tyrells (although it's also OK to do so), but it's plainly twisted to side with them in war to kill your own brother so that you can put your arse on the Iron Throne. That would make quite a page in some Westerosi history book dedicated to its kings.
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