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    Night King appreciation thread

    I must confess that I really like The Night King. The fact that he doesn't talk and is relentless in pursuing his goals, is what makes him so magnetic. When Dany turned up to rescue Jon and his forces were being creamed by the Dragon, there was no panic, no failing of confidence, just took everything in his stride, pulled out a spear and took down one of the dragons. In Hardhome (my favourite GoT episode) he wasn't in a rush, just calmly walked to the edge, stared at Jon and raised up all the dead. It was epic and so impressive because it wasn't overplayed with a silly gimmick or a cheesy line. Silence followed by a show of real, unhurried power. The fear (for me) of the Night King is that he is coming. No big announcements, just the knowledge that he is coming and sooner or later he's going to arrive, just like his army slowly sauntered out of the forest by the wall. There's no rush, no political scheming required, just an ever present overwhelming solid force that's coming. A fascinating bad guy that I hope isn't diminished or compromised to provide a cool WTF moment.
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    How good a swordsman is Jon actually?

    What I find frustrating with Jon are the showmakers desire to have him go one step forward/one step backwards. He was great at Hardhome (the ending of which is still my favourite scene/moment from the entire series) but he then had to be rescued in the Battle of the Bastards and was thoroughly out-manouvered without nothing to offer. And then in the mission behind the wall, he didn't seem to lead or take charge of the fight on the lake until they were all ready to leave. So when the zombies are pouring across the lake, he's seemingly having a crisis of confidence contemplating the futility of their situation, yet when Dany arrives and they are ready to leave suddenly he can't get enough of killing the zombies, showing off to Dany and feeling that he needs to clear a 10 metre circle of walkers before they can leave. I just wish they could show him as being more switched on in fights - having him recognise the Bolton trap before lamely getting comprised and having to be embarrassingly rescued, having him suggest breaking the ice on the lake before the second assault or him being the one to see Tormund in trouble and pull him from the hordes. I just wish they would SHOW us him being cool in battle rather than TELLING us how cool he is.
  3. I'm late to the party having only just watched Season 7 over the Christmas. I enjoyed it immensely and loved how it set up the final season. Yes, there were some issues with the logic behind the mission North of the wall and I'm continually frustrated by the makers regular efforts to push Jon one step forwards/one step backwards. For instance in the fight against the whites he has a moment where he is doing nothing and then just when Dany is there and everyone is ready to go, he suddenly launches into an unnecessary flurry of activity - like a boxer who does nothing for 3 minutes and throws some punches in the last 10 seconds. However, my only real concern is the whole 'kill' the thing that re-animated the dead bodies and everyone crumbles. It smacks of a possible really cheesy, up against impossible odds, thousands of zombies climbing the walls and the Night King dies and suddenly everything stops like switching off a computer. I can just see four or five important characters having swords looming over their heads and then 'snap' the bad guys are gone like an old school essay where the author gets bored and says 'I then woke up and it was all a dream'. Now granted, killing the Night King would be a tricky task but fostering a threat for almost seven series that can be immediately nullified by cutting off the head of the leader will feel a little empty and prompt questions that if this is all it took then why not assemble a determined suicide mission to simply take out the Night King rather than consigning thousands of people to their deaths on a battlefield when all you have to do is kill the leader and we can all stop for dinner. Now I appreciate that logic doesn't always lend itself to visual spectacle but if Jon and co can realise that killing the 'turner' destroys all those that have been turned, surely it's worth a single minded suicide mission to target the Night King with the two remaining dragons and their elite fighters.
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