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  1. Graydon Hicks

    What is the role of Gendry?

    but jon's authority extends only throughout the north. sure, he could legit gendry, but no one in the stormlands would be obligated to recognise the declaration of the King in the North. but dany would queen of the seven kingdoms, and her authority would cover the stormlands. that declaration they would have to recognize.
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    What is the role of Gendry?

    actually davos is the proof. he was their when stannis acknowledge gendry as roberts's bastard and his own nephew. and its not like there many people left who are going to challenge the ruling of jon and dany.
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    i have found that those that dislike ruling yet are forced into the position, are far better rulers than those who seek rulership willingly.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    yes, but aerys made jaime a KG as an insult to tywin, and likely to hold as a hostage against tywin. why he didnt keep more of the KG around him, i have no idea. with his paranoia, youd think he would have, and i believe he went everywhere with several of them at a time, but he only kept jaime, maybe he trust holding elia and having several of the KG around rhaegar would insure rhaegars' good behavior, and maybe he didnt believe rhaegar would lose the battle. i believe rhaegar actually had more men at that fight at the trident, but they broke and ran after robert killed the prince.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    my main reasoning about aerys still firing the city is from his paranoia. he was as scared of rhaegar as anyone else. i think he half wanted rhaegar to be killed in the fighting, to help insure that viserys would be heir. i think kings' decisions over heir have been overturned before, i believe it was one of the issues surrounding the dance of dragons. i cant remember if was one the things that stared it or resolved it, but it was a part.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    now, i admit, i do not trust tywin. i respect the hell out him for his ability and competency, i hate to have to face him in the field, but i just dont trust him. i see him as the opposite of robert. i would trust robert with my life, but not my money. i would trust tywin with my money, but not my life. his ruthless ambition just makes him far too dangerous.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    it came from the AWOIAF book. in the chapter on teh targaryen dynasty, when it covers Aerys's reign at the end of the dynasty. at one point, during the war of the ninepenny kings, he was actually good friends with tywin, but over time the hereditary madness crept in, and he became more erratic. but it didnt really fully manifest, as a paranoia based insanity, until after he had spent about year captive at duskendale. after that point, he went off the deep end. he wouldnt even trust his own servants close to his person, which lead to that horrid state of hygene. he alienated his best friend tywin, and began to throw insults at him, including trying to lure tywin's wife joanna into bed. as to rhaegar fighting for his fahter, i think it was more he was fighting for his house. robet was his cousin, and i bet he was well aware of how robert reacted to him and his, that stereotypical baratheon rage. i dont think rhaegar would have been able to treat with the rebels as long as robert lead them. i also think that aerys would have tried to fire the city, regardless of who returned from the trident, so it seems reasonable to me that jaime would have still killed him. wherr i see another divergence would be if tywin had proceeded to strike at the city or not. im up in the air about that. on the one hand, he could have decide to sit peacfully at the rock, then returned to the red keep to declare that rheagar owed him for not siding with the rebels, or he might have still struck as part of a gambit to place his own family on the throne. with the kind of personality and thought processes we have seen in tywin so far, either seems feasible.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    now, as to who helped to push aerys's paranoia about rhaegar, im not sure. remember that aery's fear extended to his own servants. he wouldnt any near him for even so much as basic hygene. his hair was long and matted and filthy, his nails were long and twisted and discolored, he smelled horrible. so no servant could have gotten close enough to whisper in his ear. that leaves the small council, rhaella, and the kingsguard. i dont get the feeling that varys started it, though he did provide info after aerys wanted rhaegar "watched". could it have been pycelle, trying to push some agenda for tywin? one of the hands that aerys went through? who else was on his small council? if it was a kingsguard, i think we can discount arthur dayne and oswell whent, and barristan doesnt strike me. was jaime in the kingsguard yet when aerys's focused shifted?. but what about hightower? lewtyn martell? darry? rhaella likely would have side with her son over her abusive husband, so i doubt her.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    ok, good point, but doesnt mean my arguement about aerys paranoia concerning rhaegar is invalid, nor the quality of varys's spies, or his skill as master of whispers. it was varys who tipped off aerys to rhaegar's plan to gather the nobles at harrenhal under guise of a tourney. and dragonstone, while rhaegar's seat, is not the absolute fortress, at least when it comes to targaryens fighting each other. its so small, the isle, and has a small standing military, compared to what aerys could call from the crownlands on quick notice. and if rhaegar remained at dragonstone, then he would be unable to call up a coalition to help him remove his father. thats not the kind of thing that can be carried out by raven. for one, if a lord decided to betray rhaegar in exchange for favors from the throne, he would have this very handy letter to provide as evidence. no, it would have been the kind of thing rhaegar would have sought to carry out in person if he had any real expectation for success. so likely he spent quite some time on the mainland, trying to build the support he needed while elia remained at dragonstone. she likely stayed there unless summoned by royal command by aerys, or need to appear at rhaegars side for certain situations like prominent tourneys, or summons by the king, or weddings, things of that kind of importance. but my point is just because rhaegar's court was at dragonstone, doesnt mean he spent all his time there. he might not have been at the Red Keep, but that doesnt mean his presence wasnt felt in the rest of the realm.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    its considered morally wrong to us, not necessarily to them. most middle age cultures practiced infidelity. yes it was frowned on, yes it was amoral in the eyes of religion, but socially? acceptable with discretion. indeed, i would not be surprised if Ned, Arryn and stannis were more of the exception rather than the norm. most of the lords likely screwed on their wives, with these arranged marriages, but they kept their bastards out of sight, along with their whores or who ever they had an affair with. if you want to say that rhaegar, with his one infidelity was a horrible person, then you had better be prepared to accept that this makes robert the very spawn of satan if thats how you judge your kings. its was socially accepted, if not liked. and remember that most of the lords of westeros are not ned stark. they are not honor bound men who see unfaithfulness as wrong, but as their right to find their enjoyments where they can. many times these arranged marriage were as bothersome for the women as they were the men, since the women had almost no say in who they got to marry. case in point, lysa arryn. true, you may find the star struck young lovers out there who were quite happy with the marriage, but that likely was not what normally happened. most of them likely did their duty only until such time as an heir was born, then they probably sought enjoyments else where. so saying that because rhaegar cheated on elia once would make him a bad king holds absolutely no water. not in westeros, and not in our own european history. especially if that is all you have as proof of his power decision skills. and for those who cry that he should have done something about aerys far earlier, remember this. aerys was a frighteningly paranoid sonofabitch. he was as paranoid about rhaegar as he was about anyone else. and rhaegar lived in the red keep with him. now imagine that your father is bat shit crazy, burning people alive on pure whim for the mildest of crimes. that he rapes your mother everytime he executes someone. of course you want to depose him, but how? he has a highly competent spy master watching you every move. and if he found so much as one shred of proof to link you to any plot against the crazy king, he would scurry straight away to the throne, whisper in the monarchs ear, and you would be roasting your chesnuts the hard way by sundown. so yes, rhaegar would have to been very, very careful, not only about what he did, but about what he even said where ears, public or hidden, could hear. even when rhaegar goes into the city, or out to meet with other lords, he has to be very aware of the fact that varys would have eyes on him. we have seen how wide spread his information network was in the present. there is a reason he kept his post after the RR, show he was so competent at his job that robert couldnt afford to get rid of him. can you imagine trying to forment a rebellion against aerys under those kind of conditions? rhaegar was just as liable to get himself killed by aerys on whim as anyone else, especially after viserys was born, cause at that point, he became expendable. so rhaegar had to play it very softly, very quietly, and very subtly. and those kinds of plans simply cant be rushed if you want them to succeed. indeed, what s to say that rhaegar hadnt tried several times before to build quiet rebellion against his father, only for varys to discover the edges of it, and rhaegar had to close it up before he was ready, else aerys would have him killed for treason. im not saying he was right to take lyanna. im not. but im also not saying that this one act alone is reason to declare him unfit.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    i personally believe that rhaegar would have been a better king. how much better, i dont know. he was a targaryen, so its a toss up. hell i found a quote, outside of cannon that i think might actually describe him pretty well: As Jaehaerys the Second liked to say, whenever a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin, and it lands either on true greatness or madness. Rhaegar, I think, is the only one I have ever known of whose coin might have landed on the edge and stayed there. He had both." now, i think that he might have been a bit more attentive to the administration side of being a king, which robert flatly ignored. but we would also need to look at what his choices of small council would be. would he have chosen lickspittles, or men of competence. he was also a man raised to be a king, even if his own father was so paranoid that he would have had rhaegar killed as soon as he had heard of any rumor that rhaegar would depose him. and how he would have treated the lords who had rebelled against him. he isnt aerys, its unlikely he would have had them executed. and at least ned had the truest cause to rebel out of all of them. would he have forgiven arryn, stannis, hoster, and ned. ned, i think likely. arryn, a maybe. hoster, he might have had removed, and a regent set up for edmure, i dont know about him, there isnt much to describe his character during the days of the RR, save that he would only ally with arryn, ned, and robert after arryn and ned married his daughters. so im not sure how the realm view hoster tully in general. with the martells, he would have had to make some serious reparations to them in apology for the insult to elia. but im not so sure about how elia would have reacted, assuming she lived, remember, the dornish take a different view of extramarital romances and the "consequences" (bastards) of those romances. would she have been like cat, all offended and hostile to jon? would she have pulled a cersei and had him killed as a threat to her children's claim? or would she have seen an infant, whose mother had died, who was blood to her own children, and who was, itself, innocent of the crimes of the parents? i would lean to the third. now rhaegar might have been on the distant side to his children, maybe from his prophecy obsession, and how jon wasnt the visenya he wanted. but he has his three children, and i doubt the martells would settle for having her set aside. how to address the possible jon/aegon rivalry, maybe he makes nice with ned, and ned offers to raise jon, his sisters son, at winterfell, maybe aegon and jon get fostered out for a few years before they come of age, spend sometime traveling amongst the great house and learning the realm. maybe he fosters them to a lord he knows will raise them to not emulate some of their more dangerously ambitious ancestors. i just dont think it would be in jon's innate character to try and challenge his sibling for the throne. look at how he was with robb. now, some of that likely is because of ned's teachings going home in jon, but i think a lot might be part of the basic Starkness in his blood, and if there is one thing the starks value above honor, its family. and i do think rhaegar would been more attentive to the realm, when he wasnt in the grip of obession, whiel robert didnt seem to care what happened outside the walls of the red keep unless it involved a fight. and for those who keep bringing up the rhaegar did something bad once, and use that as evidence of unsuitability, then show how his mistakes would have affected his rule, if he became king. dont just shove evidence under our noses and scream "SEE! SEE!". take your evidence and give us a hypothesis of what his actions would be based on it. i can turn right around and shove robert's failings in your faces and shout "SEE! SEE!" and have even more validity, cause we have seen what his past has applied his rule, he slepted around and left at least 2 bastards, before lyanna was even missing, his daughter in the vale, and gendry, is acknowledged the eldest of his children, and he kept right on doing after he married cersei. he did not show any sign of change from his behavior in his youth. he disdain the administration of the kingdom, and left it to arryn, and the kingdom went bankrupt in what, 15-16 years? after aeyrs left hefty amount of gold in the treasury? and those are neds own word from the first book, not mine. rhaegar did fuck up, the quest is, would he have kept doing the same thing if he became king? would his behavior have continued? maybe he made up with elia, maybe they estranged and she went back to dorne with her kinds, i dont know enough about her character, first hand information, to judge how she would have reacted. hell, that dornish in her leads to her telling rhaegar that he should brought lyanna home so elia could have fun too. after seeing oberyn, its possible. but if you want to just tell us that because he ran off with lyanna thus a bad king, then take that evidence, and show us how you think it would have impacted rhaegar as king.
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