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  1. On 10/29/2022 at 6:51 PM, Winterfell is Burning said:

    The men are the ones having the bastards, though. And even then, they are rarely acknowledged, specially if the man is already married. Rhaenyra having bastards and acknowledging them publicly would be enough to make the Velaryons dissolve the marriage if they wanted to, have her branded as a whore in the eyes of most people, and have her political situation be unsustainable.

    Really, the whole issue is that Rhaenyra shouldn't have had children in the first place, it ends or at least reduces a lot the risk of a succession crisis, since Aegon is the heir anyway. Particularly in the show, where they age difference is pretty much mother and child.

    Oh yes I agree that she shouldn’t have kids in the first place anyway especially if she has moon tea. But this is the plot point George made. Apparently, only the Hightowers had an issue with it, not half the realm. I mean Daeron was suspected as a bastard and there was a rebellion to put a more targ like king, Daemon on the throne. 

    I find Corlys’ excuse for wanting Luc to inherit driftmark pretty unbelievable due to this. The show tried to make sense of it lol

  2. I thought the show was fine and entertaining, not great but I enjoy the parts they adapt from the books. What can I say, I’m a huge fan of these books lol…Edit: I’m a big fan of how they are portraying the dragons. I feel like most people think of them as some kind of pets but no they are more than just animals.

    Also, I found it amusing talking to people about this show. I had asked one of my friends if she thought Aemond stole Vhagar and she was like ‘“well he didn’t steal her, but Rhaena had first dibs on riding Vaghar and Vaghar liked Aemond because he had a good heart” lmao

    I know this is going to be unpopular but my original issue with Rhaenyra is that kings and princes have bastards all the time and they are not legitimate. When Rhaenyra had her children, they should have been acknowledged as bastards instead of being in line of the throne. 

  3. I think this was the weakest episode so far.  Viserys getting the idea of marrying Laenor to Rhaenyra just now does not seem like an organic idea, he should have thought of this in the previous episode to appease Corlys. It feels like manufactured drama and angst.

    Also the crab feeder was totally underwhelming which he should be, idk how Daemon was losing to him with two dragons. They said that he ran into tunnels, he barely went into the tunnels and stared out like Bran. He didn’t do anything at all. Daemon having a whole bunch of people around him and not attacking him just for a setup for a dragon…there are so many things that I just didn’t like. 

    On a positive note though, really happy to see the Strongs, Lannisters, Hightowers, and Joffrey 

    Edit: how could I forget the PUG! All is forgiven!

  4. I feel like they made a mistake with Alicent and Viserys marriage, I don’t understand what the rush was to remarry. They could have done it where it’s been 6 months since Alicent visits him and the entire kingdom knows and started making rumors making Corlys, Daemon, Otto and Rhaenyra angry. They could have also focused on the Hightowers being powerful too and had other houses offer their daughter’s for marriage. Idk it was just weird they were only focusing on Laena being viable.

  5. Omg I hate what they have done with mysaria, I’m hoping somehow it would change. It’s really bad, I felt like she was more a Varys/tyanna type in the books.

    everything else was fine. I felt like I was watching a weird medieval Jurassic park scene with Otto on the bridge. 

    Rhaenyra was absolutely amazing, crab scenes looked cool. I have no idea what to think of the villain coming, looks cringe. I also like the portrayal of daemon and rhaenyra

  6. 14 hours ago, biosnake20 said:

    This was a fantastic interview. I highly recommend for people to listen to it, I wish there was a transcript because he said some interesting stuff. One of them being besides dragon riders, there was also blood magic practitioners in Valyria that held a lot of power. He does not have a magic system but if you use magic in his world there are devastating effects. He says something very interesting about the “Faegon” term. 

    He also talked about how the show is their own canon and the books are their own (which I’ve always thought anyway). He takes history as an inspiration but it’s not accurate and he is more concerned with the story. Either way, fans shouldn’t be concerned about the historical/book canon accuracy since it’s fantasy. 

  7. 2 hours ago, C.T. Phipps said:

    Eh, I think there's probably hundreds of participants. This is a massive-massive affair.

    The ones we see are just the most important and violent ones.

    That’s what I thought of, they were showing the violent altercations to contrast the birthing scene. Perhaps they should have wrote this somewhere in big giant letters before the scene so the audience would know.

  8.  They did the violence on purpose to contrast the violence of birthing (battle in the birthing bed). And they allowed  Daemon getting away with cheating because he’s spoiled and nobody can call him out. This story has more symbolism and magical feeling elements than GOT. 

    I think they did a pretty good job, Alicent and Rhaenyra’s friendship is a welcome change. Some parts definitely felt cringey like when Viserys talked about White Walkers.  Some of the CGI dragons looked goofy. I like the rivalry between Daemon and Otto, although Daemon is pretty unlikeable. So far I’m liking it and seeing where it goes. The show has a long way to go since they starting from Aemma’s death. 

  9. 4 hours ago, Mourning Star said:


    I don't think it's commented on and we assume they are not purple, but Tyrion does look at Lemore's eyes, first thing.

    An older couple with a Rhoynish cast to their features stood close beside the tiller, whilst a handsome septa in a soft white robe stepped through the cabin door and pushed a lock of dark brown hair from her eyes.

    Could it just be an intentional omission by the author? It could be, but on a boat of mystery persons where having remarkable purple eyes is absolutely noteworthy it's a big stretch in my mind when we aren't even given an implausible excuse for it.

    She does wear a crystal around her neck, there are other characters that use rubies and moonstones for glamor. Ashara fits for me to be Lemore, because it says Lemore needs to hide her identity in Westeros, and the only character I could think of that is missing and would be part of the Aegon cause would be Ashara. (A character that even a casual reader would know about) I believe George had written himself in a corner and didn’t want to give away the identity yet, we technically don’t know what eye color she has. From my own past experience, some people focus too much on a physical characteristic that is actually author error, rather than paying attention to the overall story to dismiss legitimate theories.

  10. On 6/27/2022 at 1:37 AM, corbon said:


    And how did Varys get him to Illyrio, and how did llyrio handle a one year old child and raise him til 6-7+?

    I suspect another party is connected. A Targaryen loyalist, closely connected to Rhaegar and Elia, who 'committed suicide' (but no body found) at just about the right time to secretly (by Varys' design probably) take young Aegon from Westeros to Essos. Who was about the right age and the right look to pass as his mother, and the right upbringing and background to later act as a tutor and prepare him to be a competent ruler of a 'foreign' (even if it is home) land. 
    Also, remarkably attractive to men, rumoured to have had a child, dark haired and raised literally beside the sea (more likely than is common to be a swimmer.

    Oh, and fAegon's 'tutor' is referred to by Jon Connington as a "Lady" and senior enough in the conspiracy to argue with Jon Con about their plans and actions - more than once, with no comeback. She also explicitly has her own secrets (and may be recognisable without some sort of disguise) which Tyrion deliberately ignores once, then gets lost from the party almost immediately after deciding that there was more to her than he thought.


    I do believe Ashara = Lemore too, and I think it was her baby that was swapped with Aegon. She got pregnant around the same time Elia was pregnant with Aegon. She committed “suicide” (like Jon Con) after the sack of KL. There is also an emphasis on Lemore’s pregnancy marks and there is mention of Ashara’s stillborn daughter in the later books. This would also serve as a good motivation to put Aegon on the throne, besides being a loyalist, if Aegon is not on the throne then her child’s death would be meaningless. I also think she would be able to convince Jon Con of Aegon’s legitimacy. 

  11. Great write up and I agree that YG=Aegon. The chapter of Kevan’s death imo, is the biggest evidence for it. I wrote up a thread regarding that chapter and Aegon being real. (I linked it below) It’s nice to see other members re-examining the text ^_^ Also, check out how Pycelle and Kevan die, it matches Pisswater Prince’s and Rhaenys’ deaths. Pycelle’s head was smashed and Kevan was stabbed to death.



  12. 16 hours ago, EggBlue said:

    GRRM is as much to blame for what the show turned into as D&D , if not more. he never should have sold such an incomplete story with so many layers. even his most devoted readers don't seem to agree on what is the main purpose/issue in the song of ice and fire ( the Others, a bunch of wars . Stark kids, Targs , Zombies, dragons, etc.) , let alone how it would end and what parts to highlight in a TV medium! not to mention, with selling his tale he brought himself so much stress that he is still writing a book that should have finished like 5 years ago!

    Eggscellent comment! I couldn’t agree more that not even his book readers agree on what story he is telling. Books 4 and 5 were released when they were already making Game of Thrones and it introduced a lot of characters. I don’t know if GRRM told them about how important those locations and characters would be later when they began making the first season.

  13. 48 minutes ago, LynnS said:

    I'm not really sure how this would apply to Bran but he is born a new god when he is wed to the tree.  When he starts to develop his powers and has the ways and means to be the Tree Knight, he will not resist the temptation.  His one day of fun has a cost in unintended consequences.  The Tree Knight is the flash point for all the grief that follows.  He won't understand that at first.  But when he does, the weight of his sins will begin to pile up.

    Ok that explanation is making more sense now lol

  14. 30 minutes ago, LynnS said:

    LOL! Well OK. As long as it's interesting.

    I did think of one more thing, what if it’s sort of a rebirth like Azor Ahai. There were multiple Brandon Starks in the past..what if one was in the weirwoods facilitating his rebirth? Although I like your explanation better.

  15. On 1/7/2022 at 3:58 AM, Phylum of Alexandria said:


    So, I am convinced that Aegon is a Blackfyre. Based that belief, and on my understanding of GRRM's ambiguous writing of key scenes in past books, I attempted to correct for the sleight of hand, and I provided my interpretation in the comment you quoted.

    I don't  believe the Blackfyre theory holds a lot of weight when looked at in scrutiny. It appears Illyrio and Varys are for the dornish. 

    The Blackfyres would not care for Rhaenys or Aegon. Nor even Dany or Viserys' claim, yet their plans were to crown Viserys then Dany. It was Aegon himself that chose to go. Also, if you look at the language they use, "bad" cause for Lannisters, Illyrio calling Tywin arrogant and over proud. Why would the Blackfyres make any distinctions between the families.  And they are both trying to delay the war as much as possible. 

    Prince Doran took a jagged breath. "Dorne still has friends at court. Friends who tell us things we were not meant to know.

    "She will, or she will not." Illyrio bit the egg in half. "I told you, my little friend, not all that a man does is done for gain. Believe as you wish, but even fat old fools like me have friends, and debts of affection to repay."

    "Very little of what the fat man has anticipated has come to pass. I have danced to the fat man's pipes for years, Lemore"

    How many days until we reach the river?" he asked Illyrio that evening. "At this pace, your queen's dragons will be larger than Aegon's three before I can lay eyes upon them."
    "Would it were so. A large dragon is more fearsome than a small one." The magister shrugged.
    "My father is very good at doing nothing. He calls it thinking" - Arianne

    "You mistake patience for forbearance. I have worked at the downfall of Tywin Lannister since the day they told me of Elia and her children. 

    "Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood."



  16. 14 hours ago, Mourning Star said:

    You will note that none of Kevin's thoughts are spoken out loud...

     "... whilst Aegon raises his banner above Storm’s End and the lords of the realm gather round him.”

    “Aegon?” “Dead. He’s dead.”

    “No.” “He is here."

    So there was never an Aegon specified, and thus no reason to even suggest "a different Aegon".

    This is the ambiguity that leaves GRRM the wiggle room to easily write this either way, and one could argue that the wiggle room itself points to the conclusion that Aegon (Young Griff) is not the son of Rhaegar and Elia.


     I don't think it goes with the context of the conversation  and GRRM does not put in mystery just for the sake of it, usually the conversations flow. Varys knows which Aegon he is referring to,  what is purpose of it being some kind of inside joke? There is nobody there to understand it. Its just mystery for the sake of it. If he meant the other Aegon, then he wouldn't mention it because Kevan doesn't know of a different Aegon. 

  17. 7 hours ago, Odej said:

    I really hope that if Howland Reed is the KOLT it wasn't because Bran skinchanged him. Skinchange a person is an abomination. Varamy's prologue show us that is basically a mental rape. Holdor it's mental broken so it may be easy for Bran skinchange him but Holdor doesn't like it and fears it. The quote that said when Bran skinchange him Holdor retreats to a place where Bran cannot reach him its one of the saddest in ADWD.

    I don't think Howland would fell bless at all.

    Yea I don't like it either. I was reading Bran's chapters and the idea popped in my head

    2 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said:

    Bloody hell, @Crona, fourteen pages in two days? :bowdown::bowdown:


    Like @Odej said up above, I really hope that Bran didn't warg into Howland just because he's got this hard-on for being a knight. It's effectively stealing his consciousness, and I always feel bad for Hodor and annoyed at Bran. Sure, emergencies like the wight situation, is still creepy but understandable. Taking Hodor for a ride, just to follow his crush is not cool, however. 

    Lol I know, but its something that I pieced together from Bran's chapters. Some of his chapters are very eerie. Of course I could be completely wrong

    Bran hated being crippled then. "Don't cry," he said. He wanted to put his arms around her, hold her tight the way his mother used to hold him back at Winterfell when he'd hurt himself. She was right there, only a few feet from him, but so far out of reach it might have been a hundred leagues. To touch her he would need to pull himself along the ground with his hands, dragging his legs behind him. The floor was rough and uneven, and it would be slow going, full of scrapes and bumps. I could put on Hodor's skin, he thought. Hodor could hold her and pat her on the back. The thought made Bran feel strange, but he was still thinking it when Meera bolted from the fire, back out into the darkness of the tunnels. He heard her steps recede until there was nothing but the voices of the singers.

  18. 10 minutes ago, Mourning Star said:

    Could be, although at it's core I think this is totally a romantic narrative.

    What signpost? Lyanna was the princess and the knight?

    I'm not sure why Meera having the helm points to anyone though, Howland could have taken it as a token regardless of the knight of the laughing tree's identity, and the fact that he gave it to his daughter makes me think, well, Lyanna.

    But, it's hard for anyone to take the bias goggles off ones you see the story a certain way. So grain of salt with all the speculation.

    For the sign post I think it is the fact that Bran is a weirwood, there is this passage when Bran wakes up and Sansa dreams of Bran smiling and they are sleeping in the heart tree by King's Landing

    The heart tree there was a great oak, its ancient limbs overgrown with smokeberry vines; they knelt before it to offer their thanksgiving, as if it had been a weirwood. Sansa drifted to sleep as the moon rose, Arya several hours later, curling up in the grass under Ned's cloak. All through the dark hours he kept his vigil alone. When dawn broke over the city, the dark red blooms of dragon's breath surrounded the girls where they lay. "I dreamed of Bran," Sansa had whispered to him. "I saw him smiling."
    "He was going to be a knight," Arya was saying now. "A knight of the Kingsguard. Can he still be a knight?"
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