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  1. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    "Lord Robert, Lyanna's betrothed, was consumed by the need to avenge himself on Rhaegar, but the prince could not be found for the first months of the war. Rumor had it that he was in the south with Lyanna, at the place he called the Tower of Joy, near the red mountains of Dorne. But eventually his father sent Ser Gerold Hightower to recall Rhaegar to his duties, though Rhaegar ordered Ser Gerold, Ser Arthur, and Ser Oswell to keep guard over Lyanna in the south. (WoIaF App)" "recall. verb. rəˈkôl/ 2. officially order (someone) to return to a place." Unfortunately, thought the wording given is probably not what Aerys Verbatim said, it appears Hightower was not required to accompany Rhaegar back to KL, thus not explicitly disobeying the King's orders by staying. If he ordered him to return, his job is done.
  2. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    Seven blessings on you! This somewhat muddies the water on whose orders Hightower followed: Aerys's, Rhaegar's or whether he saw himself as doing both.
  3. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    How I hate in app purchases. I'll take your word for it but it wants me to pay to read the character profile. I wonder if anyone else has screenshots or the like.
  4. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    Thank you! I'd be very interested to find that source, friend. That changes everything. As a Rhaegar supporter, I'd love to read that myself.
  5. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    "Well, Hightower was at the ToJ w/ Dayne and Whent, I assume on Rhaegar's orders." The only problem I find with that logic is doing that explicitly fits inside their vows unless they are ordered to not do that by Aerys. Most likely Rhaegar ordered them to stay and they obeyed a member of the royal family like they were supposed. If they were ordered to not do that by Aerys and they still did, that shows their loyalty to Rhaegar, but if Rhaegar just asked them to, that fits their vows perfectly, no questions asked.
  6. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    Sorry mate, mistake on my part. But Hightower is Lord Commander, the White Bull. He's the one that took Jaime aside after the burning of the Starks and reminded him that they were sworn to obey the king, not judge him. I still think he'd need good reason to side with Rhaegar.
  7. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    Why do you think Hightower would have sided with Rhaegar? He's the man that told Jaime to shut the hell up and let Aerys rape his wife. He'd need good reason to even think about it. This confuses me, Lord Varys. In the first sentence you claim that some think a Great Council grants legitimacy to Rhaegar's authority. You then go on to say that without it, the KG would have stood with Rhaegar. However, the logical conclusion seems to be that without a pretext of legitimacy they would stand with Aerys. Hence, I am confused.
  8. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Coats of Arms in Certain Templates

    Thank you so much!!!! That solves it entirely
  9. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Coats of Arms in Certain Templates

    I think so, and I have tried to fiddle with labels and data but to no avail. I see it works well in your personal sandbox, but I can't figure out how to do it with the actual page.
  10. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Coats of Arms in Certain Templates

    Hello all, Summer is here and for me that means spending my free time editing and cleaning up the wiki. I have resurrected my old mission of blazonry and personal arms wherever applicable, particularly to monarchs, in this case Aegon II and Maekar I Targaryen. I have progressed from my simple copy and paste understanding of the issue to realize a problem with templates is likely at fault. This is because I have found it quite simple to add Personal Arms to the infobox of characters, such as Daemon or Rhaenyra. It is infinitely difficult, however, to add this to the infobox of a monarch. In the case of a monarch, I have only ever been able to add Personal Arms to their infobox under the phrase "coat-of-arms", not under the phrase, as in the case of a character, "Personal Arms". I suspect this is because Aegon II and Maker's infoboxes are "Template:Infobox monarch" and Rhaenyra and Daemon's infoboxes are "Template:Infobox character". I apologize for the repetitiveness of the post, but this has been a thorn in my side for quite some time now. I believe I have tried nearly everything to make the monarch templates and the monarch pages themselves reflect "Personal Arms" in the infobox as opposed to "coat-of-arms", but nothing has worked. I do not know what to do. I recently scoured through the forums to find this wonderful thread on blazonry <Heraldry and correct blazons in the Wiki > whereupon Maekar's arms are mentioned, and my older post discussing this problem of mine is on page 87 of "The ASOIAF wiki thread", post no. 1721. A tip of the hat to user Rhaenys Targaryen as well, as her suggestion to fiddle with the template has led me closer to the solution although I am obviously not quite there yet. Believe me when I say I am open to all suggestions, as I am willing to devote an infinite amount of my time to get this done.
  11. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Rhaenyra: Traitor or legitimate heir?

    It's said in Archmaester Gyldayn writes that the Great Council of 101 AC established the precedent in the eyes of many: seniority aside, the Iron Throne cannot pass to a woman, nor through a woman to her male descendants. With this in mind, why is it written that the Kingmaker had to persuade Aegon II to make a claim? Wouldn't Aegon II have accepted it? It did take Ser Criston's urging to "do it or she'll kill you" to result in action on Aegon's part, but a lot of lords made oaths to Rhaenyra, which again they then proceeded to break. So I don't necessarily think anything was set by precedent at all. I think in the end Lords, especially the Great Lords of the Great Houses, will do what is best for them, maybe with the exception of a Stark or two. Lords will do what they think gives them the best chance of still being Lords when the dust has settled. PS: does choosing a successor not initially singled out by precedent matter at all? Rhaenyra was chosen but ruled for half a year. Daemon Blackfyre was heir in all but name, many imagining him to be the spitting image of the Conqueror and most likely a better king, but they both ended up dying a traitor's death. Please correct me if I'm wrong, that's just what I recall.
  12. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Titles and Styles

    I wanted to get people's take on this. While reviewing Kings of Westeros on ASOIAF Wikia, I looked at all these titles various lords, petty Kings, and Targs used throughout the centuries. In this weeks GoT episode,tI reflected on the lack of styles and titles for the King in the North, Jon Snow (if you've seen in you'll know what I'm talking about). So I thought about the various titles that Jon Snow and Renly Baratheon may have used. Jon Snow: Let me get this straight, I believe there's power in simplicity, and Jon probably wouldn't accept most of these high-and-mighty titles. But this is just to imagine, so all kneel for Jon Snow, King in the North and of the Trident, Lord of Winter, the White Wolf, Shield of The Realm, and Protector of the Night's Watch. Renly is a fanciful prick who doesn't give a fig about actually being a king, he just wants to dress up like and be called one. I can't think of ones that make sense besides the originals, so all kneel for Renly Baratheon, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm. Comment below with better ones!
  13. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Titles and Styles

    I wanted to get people's take on this. While reviewing Kings of Westeros on ASOIAF Wikia, I looked at all these titles various lords, petty Kings, and Targs used throughout the centuries. In this weeks GoT episode, there was a moment in which the viewers may have reflected on the lack of styles and titles for the King in the North, Jon Snow (if you've seen in you'll know what I'm talking about). So I thought about the various titles that Jon Snow and Renly Baratheon may have used. Jon Snow: Let me get this straight, I believe there's power in simplicity, and Jon probably wouldn't accept most of these high-and-mighty titles. But this is just to imagine, so all kneel for Jon Snow, King in the North and of the Trident, Lord of Winter, the White Wolf, Shield of The Realm, and Protector of the Night's Watch. Renly is a fanciful prick who doesn't give a fig about actually being a king, he just wants to dress up like and be called one. I can't think of ones that make sense besides the originals, so all kneel for Renly Baratheon, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm.
  14. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Rhaegar vs Aerys?

    Did you copy this from the wiki or collect this together on your own? It's well written. At any rate, here's what I think: If Rhaegar had never went away with Lyanna, and assuming Aerys still came to the tourney, I would assume Rhaegar would still try to play the game of thrones, only on the down-low. I feel the most obvious move would be to bond with/win allegiance with Lord Tywin Lannister. Rhaegar already has the allegiance of House Martell, as he is married to Elia of Dorne. So those are two houses down, but I don't know where the other houses would place their allegiances. So that's why I don't know who would win. I know all the lords on the council who would oppose Aerys being removed are crownlands lords.
  15. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Rhaegar vs Aerys?

    Grand Meester Pycelle once wrote a letter saying that the divisions at court strongly resembled those immediately before the Dance of the Dragons. Some say that if Robert's Rebellion had never happened, Aerys would have eventually either disinherited Rhaegar or killed him. Let's assume Rhaegar does not make the dumb decision of crowning Lyanna queen of love and beauty and never kidnaps her. Do you think a civil war could have broken out between Rhaegar and Aerys anyways, and if so, what do you think would have happened?
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