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  1. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Coats of Arms in Certain Templates

    Thank you so much!!!! That solves it entirely
  2. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Coats of Arms in Certain Templates

    I think so, and I have tried to fiddle with labels and data but to no avail. I see it works well in your personal sandbox, but I can't figure out how to do it with the actual page.
  3. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Coats of Arms in Certain Templates

    Hello all, Summer is here and for me that means spending my free time editing and cleaning up the wiki. I have resurrected my old mission of blazonry and personal arms wherever applicable, particularly to monarchs, in this case Aegon II and Maekar I Targaryen. I have progressed from my simple copy and paste understanding of the issue to realize a problem with templates is likely at fault. This is because I have found it quite simple to add Personal Arms to the infobox of characters, such as Daemon or Rhaenyra. It is infinitely difficult, however, to add this to the infobox of a monarch. In the case of a monarch, I have only ever been able to add Personal Arms to their infobox under the phrase "coat-of-arms", not under the phrase, as in the case of a character, "Personal Arms". I suspect this is because Aegon II and Maker's infoboxes are "Template:Infobox monarch" and Rhaenyra and Daemon's infoboxes are "Template:Infobox character". I apologize for the repetitiveness of the post, but this has been a thorn in my side for quite some time now. I believe I have tried nearly everything to make the monarch templates and the monarch pages themselves reflect "Personal Arms" in the infobox as opposed to "coat-of-arms", but nothing has worked. I do not know what to do. I recently scoured through the forums to find this wonderful thread on blazonry <Heraldry and correct blazons in the Wiki > whereupon Maekar's arms are mentioned, and my older post discussing this problem of mine is on page 87 of "The ASOIAF wiki thread", post no. 1721. A tip of the hat to user Rhaenys Targaryen as well, as her suggestion to fiddle with the template has led me closer to the solution although I am obviously not quite there yet. Believe me when I say I am open to all suggestions, as I am willing to devote an infinite amount of my time to get this done.
  4. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Rhaenyra: Traitor or legitimate heir?

    It's said in Archmaester Gyldayn writes that the Great Council of 101 AC established the precedent in the eyes of many: seniority aside, the Iron Throne cannot pass to a woman, nor through a woman to her male descendants. With this in mind, why is it written that the Kingmaker had to persuade Aegon II to make a claim? Wouldn't Aegon II have accepted it? It did take Ser Criston's urging to "do it or she'll kill you" to result in action on Aegon's part, but a lot of lords made oaths to Rhaenyra, which again they then proceeded to break. So I don't necessarily think anything was set by precedent at all. I think in the end Lords, especially the Great Lords of the Great Houses, will do what is best for them, maybe with the exception of a Stark or two. Lords will do what they think gives them the best chance of still being Lords when the dust has settled. PS: does choosing a successor not initially singled out by precedent matter at all? Rhaenyra was chosen but ruled for half a year. Daemon Blackfyre was heir in all but name, many imagining him to be the spitting image of the Conqueror and most likely a better king, but they both ended up dying a traitor's death. Please correct me if I'm wrong, that's just what I recall.
  5. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Titles and Styles

    I wanted to get people's take on this. While reviewing Kings of Westeros on ASOIAF Wikia, I looked at all these titles various lords, petty Kings, and Targs used throughout the centuries. In this weeks GoT episode,tI reflected on the lack of styles and titles for the King in the North, Jon Snow (if you've seen in you'll know what I'm talking about). So I thought about the various titles that Jon Snow and Renly Baratheon may have used. Jon Snow: Let me get this straight, I believe there's power in simplicity, and Jon probably wouldn't accept most of these high-and-mighty titles. But this is just to imagine, so all kneel for Jon Snow, King in the North and of the Trident, Lord of Winter, the White Wolf, Shield of The Realm, and Protector of the Night's Watch. Renly is a fanciful prick who doesn't give a fig about actually being a king, he just wants to dress up like and be called one. I can't think of ones that make sense besides the originals, so all kneel for Renly Baratheon, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm. Comment below with better ones!
  6. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Titles and Styles

    I wanted to get people's take on this. While reviewing Kings of Westeros on ASOIAF Wikia, I looked at all these titles various lords, petty Kings, and Targs used throughout the centuries. In this weeks GoT episode, there was a moment in which the viewers may have reflected on the lack of styles and titles for the King in the North, Jon Snow (if you've seen in you'll know what I'm talking about). So I thought about the various titles that Jon Snow and Renly Baratheon may have used. Jon Snow: Let me get this straight, I believe there's power in simplicity, and Jon probably wouldn't accept most of these high-and-mighty titles. But this is just to imagine, so all kneel for Jon Snow, King in the North and of the Trident, Lord of Winter, the White Wolf, Shield of The Realm, and Protector of the Night's Watch. Renly is a fanciful prick who doesn't give a fig about actually being a king, he just wants to dress up like and be called one. I can't think of ones that make sense besides the originals, so all kneel for Renly Baratheon, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm.
  7. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Rhaegar vs Aerys?

    Did you copy this from the wiki or collect this together on your own? It's well written. At any rate, here's what I think: If Rhaegar had never went away with Lyanna, and assuming Aerys still came to the tourney, I would assume Rhaegar would still try to play the game of thrones, only on the down-low. I feel the most obvious move would be to bond with/win allegiance with Lord Tywin Lannister. Rhaegar already has the allegiance of House Martell, as he is married to Elia of Dorne. So those are two houses down, but I don't know where the other houses would place their allegiances. So that's why I don't know who would win. I know all the lords on the council who would oppose Aerys being removed are crownlands lords.
  8. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Rhaegar vs Aerys?

    Grand Meester Pycelle once wrote a letter saying that the divisions at court strongly resembled those immediately before the Dance of the Dragons. Some say that if Robert's Rebellion had never happened, Aerys would have eventually either disinherited Rhaegar or killed him. Let's assume Rhaegar does not make the dumb decision of crowning Lyanna queen of love and beauty and never kidnaps her. Do you think a civil war could have broken out between Rhaegar and Aerys anyways, and if so, what do you think would have happened?
  9. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Dragons

    I was recently thinking about the dragons of old, why they fell, and exactly what their lives where like. Now, we know that damn near every dragon has a specified date of death or at least some description like "died after event x occurred". I was thinking about how comparatively, the dragons Dany has (of Essos) are probably a good deal more robust or healthy than any that might have been hatched from old Targ eggs. This is because these dragons had declined in health and stamina as a result of being bred and raised in the dragon pit. The dragons of Essos, to our knowledge, never received such treatment. But where were dragons like Balerion, Vhagar or Sunfyre kept at King's Landing? Where would Aegon have kept Balerion? These huge dragons needed some place to reside. I doubt any king or prince would want to be very far away from their dragon.
  10. Prince Jon Targaryen

    Dragons

    I was recently thinking about the dragons of old, why they fell, and exactly what their lives where like. Now, we know that damn near every dragon has a specified date of death or at least some description like "died after event x occurred". I was thinking about how comparatively, the dragons Dany has (of Essos) are probably a good deal more robust or healthy than any that might have been hatched from old Targ eggs. This is because these dragons had declined in health and stamina as a result of being bred and raised in the dragon pit. The dragons of Essos, to our knowledge, never received such treatment. But where were dragons like Balerion, Vhagar or Sunfyre kept at King's Landing? Where would Aegon have kept BalerionThese huge dragons needed some place to reside. I doubt any king or prince would want to be very far away from their dragon.
  11. I was wondering, do the Kingsuard only ever guard the king? Can they be assigned to or guard a prince or princess or a member of the royal family?
  12. Prince Jon Targaryen

    The ASOIAF wiki thread

    Hello all, new wiki user here. Apologies if this is not the appropriate place to post this. I have a certain mission of mine that I'd like to see through, but I find that I don't quite have the skill to accomplish it. I wish to add a personal arms section to a couple of characters' infoboxes, namely Aegon II and Rhaenyra Targaryen, and provide formal blazonry for another, Daemon I Blackfyre. I've done this so far to Rhaenyra, and updated Daemon's. These were easy (I just added the description of blazonry to Daemon, and copy and pasted said section into Rhaenyra's page and edited the text to reflect her personal heraldry.) However, this copy and pasting technique has not worked with Aegon II. When I do so, and add the appropriate information, it simply appears (in the preview) below the listing of his mother as Alicent Hightower, without the description (coat of arms, personal arms, etc) though I add it immediately before the "Books" row in the sandbox. What am I doing wrong, and how can I add this information? I very much hope I can be a productive member of this wiki, so I'd like to learn all I can. For whatever reason, I'm not able to post the pictures of the sandbox, preview, and templates I took
  13. Prince Jon Targaryen

    House Gallery on the Wiki

    No, that's pretty much what I was thinking about doing. Thanks Rhaenys!
  14. Prince Jon Targaryen

    What if Roberts' Rebellion failed??

    Everyone's talking about how Rhaegar should eventually overthrow Aerys. But how? he can't kill Aerys right out the gate, there's the Kingsguard to worry about. Here's what I would do if I were him: I've crunched the numbers and the Targs safely outnumber the rebels at the Trident. After Rhaegar kills Robert, he offers a truce to the surviving lords on one condition and they go along with it (***for reasons I discuss at the end of this post***). The truce is such: amnesty for all rebels, no killings, no murdering entire families, etc AS LONG AS these lords declare a "freeze" on Aerys as king, proclaiming he's unfit to be king and taking his power away for the time being AND CALL A GREAT COUNCIL. this way, they can decide what to do, with everyone, both rebels and loyalists. This eventually results in Rhaegar becoming king and everyone being relatively happy/not mad anymore. Rhaegar being a good person, and loved by the small folk, a lot of people are satisfied afterwards, although some (like Ned Stark) are still gonna hate the Targs forever. Rhaegar is not insane. He seems to be a decent guy and is said by some that he would have made a better king that Robert or Aerys (see Barrister Selmy). Ergo, I have half a mind to think that he would be a good king. He may do the following. -send a decent amount of rebel troops (or perhaps those without families) to the WALL. All sellswords he sends as well, any who wish to go join, and some wounded are sent as well. This well-needed bump in the numbers of the Night's watch is long over due. Less than a thousand men man the wall by 298 AC, so if Rhaegar sends a goodly amount to the Wall then they're well on their way to the pre-conquest levels of 10,000. -experiment with eggs like Aegon V? His sister Daenerys was able to, so maybe the gift could be with him too. Viserys isn't at Dragonstone and has a much better upbringing the the one he received on the one from Robert, so he could be fit to be with a dragon as well. Combine this with the whole "dragon has three heads" thing, ad the fact that Aemon thinks Daenerys has the potential to fulfill the prophecy, and Rhaegar, Viserys, and Daenerys, are your three heads! -the realm still has a lot of gold in its coffers (which was later squandered by Robert) so we're good there. Rhaegar is smart enough to handle that. The only thing I'm worried about is if anyone still listens to Aerys. However, I think that since most of the Kingsguard is friends with Rhaegar, or prefers him to Aerys, they would obey Rhaegar for the time being. ***Tully only cares about this mess because his daughters are married to rebels, Jon cares because Aerys wants the heads of his foster kids Robert and Ned, and Eddard hates both Rhaegar and Aerys, for kidnapping his sister and ordering his family, reactively. Robert was the only one who hated Rhaegar, and Stark does't have enough men to go solo if Arryn and Tully decide to give up . HE's outnumbered and forced to go along with it. With my number crunching I did, comparing this to the battle of Hastings, Starks forces would be easily obliterated by the remaining Targs.
  15. Prince Jon Targaryen

    What if Roberts' Rebellion failed??

    This begs, the question of who the regent/Protector of the Vale would be.
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