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    Casterly Rock Why?

    "The Rock" may have had gold mines, but that's not the only thing that made it valuable. There's lotsa keeps scattered throughout the kingdoms that don't produce gold, either. There are plenty of other advantages to owning it: It is supposed to be difficult to capture, though taking it was a cakewalk this season for plot reasons. So it's of great defensive value. It commands Lannisport, one of the biggest cities in the seven kingdoms. It is the seat of power in the Westerlands, and I know you can't tell by watching the show but controlling kingdoms is actually strategically important if you want to rule Westeros. It is the ancestral home of House Lannister, and if you're at war with the Lannisters capturing it at least makes them look bad. Who wants to fight for a House that doesn't command its own house? Harkening back to the point about it being defensively useful, if you don't take it the Lannistes can use it against you in the future. If you cut them off from it, they can't run and hide there. Tyrion's plan wasn't stupid if it's a given that they're not allowed to use foreign troops or dragons against the enemy's head, which rests in King's Landing. Or if his goal is to spare his brother and sister's lives. But it is a bad plan in the sense that it requires splitting their army and moving part of it all the way to the other side of the continent. It also violates the basic strategic principle of winning with the least amount of effort possible. Though there were moral concerns trumping strategic concerns. Mad Queen concerns. Partially artificially manufactured and poorly explained concerns, in my opinion. I don't blame him for not anticipating Euron's magical teleportation machine (on loan from Littlefinger) and his precognitive powers for anticipating enemy movements.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    Apparently not for 10 (or was it 20?) Good Men and a "most highborn plumber."
  3. Ramsey's comment, if it wasn't just a lie, shows what a strong reputation Jon has in the North. But that's really all it is, a reputation. Most of his action scenes at that point took place beyond the Wall. He fought in an unknown realm of evil magic, and not many people necessarily saw what he did. There was the Battle of the Wall, of course, and word could've got back about what he accomplished there. I assume there were witnesses to him killing the Giant Toad-Man. People could've reported back on what he did at Craster's Keep and Hardhome, I guess. The single combat he lost was indoors, so maybe he didn't elaborate on how he got his sword through that guy's head. Point is, he's not doing these things in regular Westerosi armies among common North folk and other reliable sources. I'd take the word of his fellow Nights Watchers, if their gossip makes it South. But that's what it would be: gossip. You know how these things get built up. From what we've seen, it's hard to say where Jon ranks in the Universos. I imagine he's not as good as Brienne or (ugh) Arya, apparently. He's better than one-handed Jaime. But how would he match up with Zombie Mountain, the Hound, Jorah twenty years ago, Dario, Bronn, Urine, etc. is anyone's guess. He looks pretty swinging his sword, though.
  4. That's interesting and all, but it would still be a lie for Rhaegar and Lyanna to tell no one she went away willingly, and that they were married.
  5. Say one thing for the show, despite its drifting into fan-fic territory, Jon is consistently depicted as a dumbass who screws everything up nearly all the time. He fails upward, surely, but who'd write a Mary Sue who so consistently does the stupidest thing possible, and is always being aced-out by one character or another. If it's not his little half-sister-cousin, it's the Night King or Dany Dragonmother or Cersei the Dread or Ramsey the Ridiculous. Remember that depiction of Ned Stark at the theater in Bravos? That's pretty much Jon, except Jon's not a schemer and is a good guy. Plus, he's handsome and a good fighter. Otherwise he may as well have that scrunched-up face, tongue sticking out, farting all over the place. He has plot armor, for sure. But any awesomeness the audience may sense in him weathering a storm of arrows or emerging from a frozen lake is more than balanced by the fact that his stupidity landed him there. He charged an entire army by himself after his brother was already dead and couldn't be saved. They had to have Tyrion admit to the audience that he was being a dummy on the Wight Hunt. All that, plus he's actually smarter than he used to be. Or at least less whiney and naive. We've seen him grow in leadership ability. You're out of line, calling him a Mary Sue. Give credit where credit is due. I'm all for show-bashing, but Game of Thrones has stuck dutifully by the theme of "You know nothing, Jon Snow." Not all show pets who experience unearned success are Marty Stus, just as not all implausible interventions are deus ex machines.
  6. It was caused by but not based on a lie? That distinction is too subtle for me. In any case, Robert ended up killing the crown prince, winning the war with everyone's help, and sitting the Iron Throne at the end. And all along, for him at least, it was about getting Lyanna back, in addition to not losing his head. And the darn thing is named after him. The "based on" part didn't end for him the moment Lord Stark was roasted.
  7. Nobody knows because the information was deliberately withheld, which in this situation is tantamount to a lie. The rebellion was precipitated by the Mad Ling killing lords and wanting to kill more. But he didn't kill random ones, did he? Or he did, but the specific domino effect leading to the calling of the banners and Robert's Rebellion consisted of a group of interconnected lords he killed and wanted to kill. It wasn't Ser Whats-It from Dorne and Ser Whos-It from I-Don't-Give-A-Darn. It was a collection of people (Starks and Bobby B.) directly tied to Lyanna, all of whom demanded or could be expected to demand she be returned from her presumed abduction. Coincidence? I think not. All that, plus for Ned and Robert definitely and presumably many other people the fight was directly about retrieving Lyanna and not about the second-order issue of a king's right to burn lords alive for no good reason. I find the idea that the war was about wanting to kill lords but not about the underlying issue that caused Starks to ride South and lose their lives incomprehensible. It's like saying Britain and France didn't declare war on Germany for invading Poland in WWII, but rather for Germany refusing to leave Poland, or something. What?
  8. Sounds perfect, actually. Remember, at that point she still didn't really believe Jon. She put the war on pause more because of qualms over sacking King's Landing than the war against the dead.
  9. Yes, then Dany exploited her first victory by...abandoning the war and presenting her lovely backside to Cersei, as if to say, "Please, mistress, would you be so kind as to stab me?" What a turning point!
  10. What end of the season were you watching? Cersei's plan is to buy the Golden Company, the point of which is to defeat Dany in battle. Jaime, though convinced she's nuts, is all "yes, dear" only until he sees the zombie. It's the zombie, not the battle that makes him run away. You have a point about Tyrion, because the Wight Hunt was his stupid idea. Without him intervening in favor of the army whose Lord he murdered with a crossbow, the season probably ends with Dany burning the Red Keep or simply besieging King's Landing. At least based on what information we're given. I'm forced to guess Tyrion is acting out of mercy to his Lannister peeps, because we're not told. Not counting what he says privately to Cersei, which could be a lie. I don't know when or really if this change of heart came about, or if he had been of the same opinion on the subject back when he was barfing up wine in Pentos. Because the show doesn't tell me. Is this an example of Tyrion's development or his consistency? I dunno. But the idea that what he witnessed on the Field of Fire, Part II (this time it's personal) explains why he comes up with the plan to enlist Cersei in the fight against the dead is plausible.
  11. Yes. Jon always wanted to know about his mother. Ned, who didn't know he'd soon be headless, promised to spill the beans when last they saw eachother. But he'd also be interested in knowing who his real father was, whether or not he was legitimate.
  12. Half-brother, you mean. But he won't even be that. He'll be their cousin. He'll still be the guy they grew up with at Winterfell who had Ned Stark blood of one concentration or another. Which gives him one up on Theon, who according to Jon last episode is somehow part Stark, too.
  13. Hello, even if the Baratheon and whatever was Robert's mother's line disappeared, Larry is standing right there, looking sheepish. He was Tommen's closest male relative, as uncle if not father. And he wasn't in the King's Guard anymore at time of death. Failing that, you could keep going backwards in Robert's line until you found someone. Which eventual might be the Targaryens, I guess. Anyone but Tommen's evil mommy.
  14. Given his feelings, had Jorah treated Dany as a person, Khal Drogo would've felt compelled to nude him up and drag him behind a horse. After Drogo went catatonic, there was that whole surviving a funeral pyre and hatching dragons thing, which you can understand might compel Jorah to put her on a pedestal. As for Tyrion, well, the show forgot to ever have them get to know eachother. It's a weird oversight. He shows up, a Lannister and all. Funny thing, Lannisters slaughtered large chunks of her family. Anyway, she receives him formally and doesn't take his head. Then she disappears back into Dothrakiland. She comes back, and is pissed about him screwing up her empire. They don't really have any scenes allowing them to bond as humans--he to her or her to he. Then she names him hand for no reason. Maybe because he's the only person with passing knowledge of Westeros around. They don't get any personal scenes together this year, either. It's all business. (Business which Tyrion royally screws up, by the way.) Until the fireside scene, which briefly features Tyrion teasing her on a "k-i-s-s-i-n-g" level and her talking about her taste in men. Then it immediately gets political. You can say Tyrion treats her like a queen, yes. But the truth is these characters don't have an actual relationship. It's an illusion. So I can't say that Tyrion doesn't treat Dany as a person, because the two haven't met. Tyrion is still in that box on that ship, I think. Or maybe he's in several pieces, one of which hangs prominently on a cock-merchant's cart.
  15. Actually, her first thought upon hearing "Dany" was of her brother Viserys, who also wanted to sex her. Presumably, she was touched because deep down she sensed Jon is family, too, and Targryens have icky, icky incest in their blood.
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