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  1. There are quite a few rant and ravers here, and I’ve always been curious what moment/storyline set them down that path. For me as an Unsullied (I didn’t read the books until after season 6), I didn’t actively start to dislike the show until Sansa’s Winterfell arc in season 5. It felt like a complete reversal of the progress she had made since leaving King’s Landing. To go immediately from talking smack to Myranda to then being raped by Ramsay was just awful writing. Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken was the straw the broke the camel’s back, even if I didn’t realize it yet. I didn’t hate the show at that point, but it was the first time that watching GoT became a chore instead of a pleasure. It wasn’t until season 6 (specifically how they handled Jon’s death) that I became a full blown hate-watcher. Sansa’s rape seems to be one of the points of no return for a lot of viewers (even sites like The Mary Sue refused to cover the show after that), but it wasn’t the only one. Dorne was a problem for a lot of people, but for some reason gets handwaved away as being a rare misstep. Beyond the Wall was the first time the show received a tidal wave of pushback, with sites like Forbes, Wired, Vulture and Vanity Fair being particularly critical. The Long Night seems to have been the last straw for a considerable amount of people, but then undermining the central threat of the entire series will do that for you. I’m also curious how this will break down between Unsullied and book readers. Looking back after finally reading the books, the cracks were always present. Sympathetic Cersei, Saint Tyrion, Talisa. So what was the moment that made you realize GoT was only tits and dragons?
  2. I was honestly surprised by how easily the Golden Company and the Ironborn fleet were taken down. After seasons of D&D building up Cersei as a legitimate threat to Dany, it was quite shocking to see her forces fold so quickly, especially given how completely they dominated hers last episode. Still, I suppose it was in keeping with how they typically write battles. They don't know how to do anything but surprise attacks where one side completely annihilates the other. Maybe I should've seen it coming after all.
  3. If I went into this episode cold I'd think it was a parody of aSoIaF. What a complete butchering of every single character; if I didn't know any better, I'd think the character assassination was intentional. I have no problem with Mad Queen Dany, but the show has not put in the time and effort to earn that ending. What was her reasoning behind burning all of King's Landing? I don't know, because the episode never explained it. One of the pivotal moments in the entire series and D&D fell flat on their faces. The less said about Jaime's straight up character assassination the better. The kindest thing I can say about this episode is at least you could see what was going on. The chaos of war on the ground was legitimately well done, but the characters' actions were so nonsensical I couldn't care about any of it. And the dragon action was cool to watch, even if there was zero logic behind it (how did the scorpions go from being ridiculously overpowered to not even remotely threatening in less than an episode?). 1/10. The episode might not deserve it from a technical or acting perspective, as those departments were legitimately well done. but the narrative was such a travesty that it simply outweighs everything else. To see what was once one of my favorite shows crash and burn so utterly was beyond demoralizing and infuriating. I couldn't even enjoy hating it as I have since season 5. I just felt nothing.
  4. Elayis

    Is the quality of this season low?

    I disliked "The Long Night" as much as any Rant & Raver here, but from a casual fan perspective it's a generic, fan pleasing episode where the good guys win, Arya gets her "girl power" moment and the deaths were expected and a long time coming. With "The Last of the Starks" however, the character assassinations have hit warp speed. Jaime left Brienne heartbroken, Jon ditched Ghost, everyones plotting to overthrow Dany and Rhaegal & Missendei were brutally killed out of nowhere. It's not hard to see that fans had a more visceral reaction to episode 4, as it seems purposefully designed to shock, depress and anger people. For me, this was the last straw. I've been a hatewatcher for years now, but this was the moment that poisoned any remaining goodwill I had for the early seasons. I can't see myself ever watching this show again once it's finished.
  5. Elayis

    So, Arya and Sansa are evil, right?

    What's disappointing is that they both make good points, Sansa in particular, but they're so bitchy and childish about it that I can't help but dislike them. Why would Dany listen to Sansa when all she does is roll her eyes and scoff at anything she says or does? For being such a "smart player" she's incredibly blind to how others perceive her, and lacks any skill in politics or actually ruling. And Arya's been a psychotic murderess since the end of season 3. It doesn't help that time and again they both made horrible, stupid mistakes but were nevertheless rewarded for them, just like every other character in GoT. Failing upwards seems to be the show's motto.
  6. Personally, I don't care Cersei. I haven't since D&D went completely off book with her starting in season 3, and have actively hated the character since season 5. Carol/Cheryl is not Cersei. As for Missendei, even if it was just a callback she had to know what Dany's response would be. Doing to King's Landing what they did Astapor would be downright villainous. The way the show has set the stage, there's no way to take out Cersei with Drogon and not inflict massive civilian casualties. It all just comes back to not taking her out last season. So either Dany doesn't care how many smallfolk she kills or she's so stupid it would be criminally irresponsible for her to rule. D&D did say she just "forgot" about Euron, his fleet and Qyburn's scorpions.
  7. Better, sure, but I think that's mostly due to the scripts actually asking her to act for once. I never said it wasn't an improvement, just nowhere near acceptable, let alone good. I honestly feel she'd be well suited to comedies. She's immensely watchable during interviews and her funny backstage skit she did while filming season 8. Drama just doesn't seem to be suit her.
  8. Do we care about Cersei, though? I'm honestly more upset about Missendei's desire for Dany to burn all of King's Landing, innocents included.
  9. You're seriously telling me that this is good acting? https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/05/06/USAT/b614f920-1b38-4a1d-8001-efab83ea5b27-23_Courtesy_of_HBO.jpg
  10. There have been small hints here and there, so I agree that Mad Dany was inevitable. But even as recently as the last two seasons she has been largely sane and empathetic. Even when telling Sam that she burned his family alive she was still conflicted and remorseful. Her turn should've been handled with a lot more finesse and screen time.
  11. From a production standpoint, it bugged me how terrible the last scene looked. You could tell that it was largely green screen (you could even see it reflected in Tyrion's hair); it looked like something from season 3 or 4 from the show. Maybe it was the time of day, the gray sand and boring castle architecture. It was simply ugly, and the final nail in the coffin in confirming that Emilia Clarke can't act.
  12. I think it's safe this say these last two episodes have killed any remaining good will I had for this show from the first four seasons. Like other rant and ravers here I stuck with it till the end because I hoped having GRRM's endgame would improve the quality. And for the opening two episodes, I was right. It's amazing how quickly everything went south. First, they completely undercut the central threat of the entire series, and now they're sabotaging the lead characters. How anyone can enjoy this show and root the people in it is beyond me. At least when The Walking Dead decided to devolve into torture porn it was well written. It was unpleasant and the opposite of fun, but you could tell thought and effort was put into it.
  13. Fuck, I thought last episode was the lowest it could get but here is D&D once again to prove me wrong. I am so glad I read those spoilers beforehand. I'm still angry about the way Ghost was treated and how Rhaegal went out like a bitch, but I can't find the will to care about any of the rest. Of course Dany goes Mad Queen at the flip of a switch. Of course Sansa breaks her word and starts scheming behind everyones back. Of course Jaime is still obsessed with Cersei. Of course the bas guys win because the good guys forget everything and act like complete morons. Of course Missendei's final wish is for Dany to burn thousands of innocent people for revenge. I just can't with this show anymore. Thank God there are only two episodes left. The only reason I'm still watching is so I can watch Euron and Cersei die, but knowing D&D I'm sure they'll try to make it as tragic and sympathetic as possible. GRRM really screwed the pooch when he handed them the keys to the seven kingdoms. 2/10, for Jaime and Brienne finally getting it on.
  14. Elayis

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Dance 2.0 would've been so much better, so of course D&D didn't do it.
  15. There's also the fact that his involvement with the show and his resulting celebrity status (which led to numerous speaking events and tours, as well as developing other tv shows) almost certainly led to Winds being delayed. You can't tell me it wouldn't have already been released if the show never happened. Hell, Dance might've come sooner as well, and the whole series might have been finished by now.
  16. Just because he hadn't seen any footage doesn't mean he's unaware of what's going to happen. Martin's indicated that he still had meetings/conversations with D&D and HBO, so at the very least they had talked about season 8's story. He may have even read some of the scripts. And I bet he gave that interview before episode 1 had premiered. You also have to consider that Martin is not unbiased when it comes to the show. Yes, he may be upset about certain changes they've made, but the show is still wildly successful and popular. He's also made ridiculous sums of money from GoT. To think that he feels nothing but negativity toward the show is misguided, I would think.
  17. I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but where the hell was Arya jumping from? The angle was entirely wrong for her to be leaping from the weirwood tree.
  18. Elayis

    What was your personal GoT breaking point?

    Even as a show-only viewer at that point her death felt wrong to me. Her testimony where she painted the worst possible picture of Tyrion and Sansa which sentenced them to death, after claiming she would "die to protect that girl" came out of nowhere. On top of that, sleeping with Tywin and calling him my lion ruined any sympathy I had for the character. Not to mention the absence of Tysha completely ruined Tyrion from that point forward.
  19. It's so irritating to realize that the Night King (the literal personification of death, according to D&D) couldn't kill one of Dany's dragons, but somehow Cersei will be able to with her stupid scorpion. It's as bad as any superhero movie where a characters powers will fluctuate from scene to scene based on the needs of the filmmakers. As bad as this episode was, I have a feeling the last three will be even worse.
  20. The biggest letdown for me is knowing we still have three 80 minute episodes left with Cersei & Euron front and center. At least the White Walkers were visually interesting. These last few seasons were tolerable because we didn't know the endgame, but that we know where everything has been leading to all I feel is dread, not anticipation.
  21. I really hated how zombie like the wights were. I know they've been like that since season 4, but after suffering through a binge watch of TWD recently I can't take those groans and screeches anymore. What made the wights different and legitimately threatening was their silence. You couldn't hear them coming, and no matter how many times you stabbed them or limbs you cut off they'd keep coming. It was a huge mistake to turn them into Skeletor clones. Magic was always part of their creation, but there's nothing plausible about a skeleton moving without muscles. It was also a big missed opportunity to bring back some familiar faces (Hodor, Rickon, Osha, even Ramsay).
  22. I knew that last week's episode would most likely be the highlight of the season, I just didn't expect D&D to drop the ball so completely, especially in terms of the White Walkers overall purpose throughout the entire show. Sapochnik was similarly off his game; almost every battle shot was atrociously shot and edited. I can't believe something this subpar was deemed acceptable, let alone something to be enjoyed. The quick cuts were the worst I've ever seen. They make the Russos' action scenes look almost Spielbergian by comparison. I couldn't make heads or tails of the geography, the goals of individual attack formations, who was attacking whom, which characters were dying... That was one of the biggest wastes of money and story potential maybe ever. Even Michael Bay does better. There was no sense of dread, tension or horror. I felt nothing when certain characters were supposedly in danger, I wasn't shocked or awed by anything. The best parts of the episode were the CGI dragon battles, but even those were horrible choreographed and cut. My favorite shot was of the ice cyclones (I assume) the Night King created, but nothing ultimately came of them. There were so many other things he and the White Walkers could've done - I'm shocked they did absolutely nothing in the entire episode. The less said about Arya, TPTWP, the better. There's nothing in her history that makes sense for her to be the one that ends The Long Night. On the show, her story has mostly been about her savagely killing people she didn't like, nothing to do with the White Walkers or The Great Other. It should've been Jon or Dany or Bran or Sam, someone that at minimum had some stake in the game and their actions on the show. What a waste. 3/10 (for some neat CGI).
  23. Why was the Night King immune to dragon fire but not steel forged by dragon fire?